Hello again,
I LOVE the way people who've NEVER run a restaurant KNOW how to run a restaurant.. Well, I've run restaurants. Restaurants are friends of mine. You're no restauranteur.
excon
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Hello again,
I LOVE the way people who've NEVER run a restaurant KNOW how to run a restaurant.. Well, I've run restaurants. Restaurants are friends of mine. You're no restauranteur.
excon
I've worked in a restaurant... our best friends own and run a restaurant, several in fact... and yes I know far more about what goes on there than I really should.
Hello again, smoothy:
That's almost as good as staying in a Holiday Inn Express..Quote:
I've worked in a restaurant... our best friends own and run a restaurant, several in fact...
Excon
No its not... its way different.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
And like I said... I know far more about the business side of that as well than I really should... but we've been really close friends for 18 years... I've set up their computers in the past... Ithey have linked Point of Sale systems now... and checked out their rerefridgeration system more than once advising them on what to expect... (they fired their guy for cheating them shortly after that and got a new contract with a different company). And I know all about the other things going on in there... ( so I know more about what goes on there than most of their employees do... except their general Manager).
SO I know almost as much as someone that's done it for a short time... and a lot more then most that haven't.
Citing ObamaCare spiraling costs as a reason, the University of Virginia has announced that spouses of University employees who have access to health insurance through their own jobs will no longer be eligible for health insurance coverage.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
U Va was a public supporter of ObamaCare
Working spouse provision:University Employees Will See Significant Changes to Health Plan This Year | UVA TodayQuote:
Starting Jan. 1, spouses who have access to coverage through their own employer will no longer be eligible for coverage under U.Va.'s plan. Spouses who do not have coverage elsewhere can remain on the employee's plan, and coverage of children is not affected.. .
The university projected a $7.3 million increase to the cost of their plan in 2014 alone.
I beg your pardon, I have managed in two restaurants and my first job was a cook for two years - I did just about everything but sign the checks and order supplies in that job.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Hello again, tom:
Obama should have NEVER given the key to his success to the insurance companies.. He only did that in hopes of getting Republicans on board. It was NEVER a tactic if the left.. Single payer, of course, would FIX all of that.
Do you know if we took what we spend on health care now, and adopted single payer, everybody would have all the health care they need, and we'd have enough left over to buy a couple of aircraft carriers every year? Really, we would.
Now, it IS true, that insurance company CEO's won't be able to make MILLIONS and MILLIONS, and then a few more MILLIONS... But, right wingers are the only ones going to be crying for them...
excon
And they call themselves business savvy? Husband and wife work and have insurance both interchangeable primary, and secondary, so they lose nothing. In addition if they project a 7 million dollar increase in 2014, they should be hollering and crying to the company they use.
What insurance companies don't jack their customers? Maybe they should be looking at the state exchanges for a better deal, or use their considerable clout for a sweeter deal with the existing company.
I guess whatever the market will bear doesn't play into this crying, bltching, and moaning by the business class, huh? I didn't see all this crying when the middle class was being reduced to poverty, and consumers were deleveraged through debts and derivatives, so don't holler now.
I cry every time I hear that sorry excuse for the emperor. If that's truly what the left wants then that is what they should've proposed to the American people . But they didn't because they knew it had zero chance of passing .
Instead they shoved this cr@p sandwich down our throats in a dead of the night vote before all the lame ducks left town. Yeah they will get what they want all right .
If we'd get the third party out of the way altogether we could all save money on health care.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Lets see consumer, care provider, insurance company. Who gets kicked to the curb?
What, you think I'm a fan of insurance companies?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
And now for the public sector joining the nation of part timers...
Local governments cutting hours over Obamacare costs
At least Obama didn't promise "if you like your job you can keep your job" as one of Obamacare's benefits. Did he?
They can guesstimate all they want to, but that's all it is, a guess, since nowhere have any detractors said they have tried negotiating better long term deals with the carrier. That would be the first thing a business or municipality should have done already rather than depend on current or past trends concerning costs.Quote:
Other supporters of the law suggested the cuts could actually cost counties and cities more money than if they simply paid for part-time workers' health-care costs.
“There are some costs of doing business where it really does cost you more money to have multiple people on the job,” said Gary Burtless, a senior fellow of economic studies at the Brookings Institution. “Why would you create more jobs than you need to at 20 hours a week, when if you're really responding to the Affordable Care Act you would assign people to work 29 hours a week?”
“I don't think this is going to be a big direct-cost burden for counties and municipalities,” Burtless added.
Mercantante, the Middletown administrator, says it's the uncertainty that's driving his town's actions. “Towns are going to have to start looking at different types of health-care packages to offer to people given the new mandates, but I can't tell you what those are going to be or how much they're going to cost us,” he said.
Its just good business to negotiate with vendors and carriers and explore options with competition and use the leverage you have. A large customer base. So cry me a river about so called business leaders and managers that don't have a clue about doing business. We have talked of this before but still you only see one side.
Think about it. Cutting workers hours of those who are already part time is the dumbest thing a businessman can do to himself. Let me know when you figure out that more fulltime workers yields a greater leverage than less, or NONE.
It's a LOT cheaper having two part time workers doing 20 hours a week each than it is one full time worker doing 40 hours...
Because you have the high cost of Obamacare with the 40 hour worker but not the 20 hour workers. Because that cost kicks in at 30 hours... but not at 29.5 hours.
So what's the point of two 20 hour workers. What you save on wages you may lose on productivity, and experience. That may be great for McDonalds or Walmart, but the Costco's that pays better wages and benefits is outperforming them both so which business model would you prefer to follow?Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Seen any disgruntled Costco workers striking, picketing, and protesting? How much is that worth?
And the employee turnover is huge with only/mostly part-time workers. And company loyalty is totally absent. Screwing the company (theft of supplies, sloppy work, etc.) becomes a problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Well... multiply that across a workforce.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Also most of the jobs that would happen with are the trained monkey jobs that are usually considered entry level.
The ones that really take experience and skill... are going to be better paying jobs. And as I'm sure you've seen for yourself... not everyone is born with those skills... or will ever learn them.
There are people that really are not smart... and don't have the capacity to learn a highly skilled trade. Not counting the ones that do have the ability... but are just too lazy to make the effort.
Tal, you can whine and moan and tell us once again how those greedy corporations making gazillions of dollars aren't smart business people (think about it) but I'm just reporting what's happening in the real world. In the real world people are losing their jobs and getting hours cut due to Obamacare - even in the public sector now. You can't just excuse that away.
Most of the people that don't have the intelligence or the skills for better jobs are the same people that show up when they feel like it and don't show a lick of loyalty themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Yes I know enough employers and that is a problem (finding people that even show up on time or at all) even with jobs that need a higher education and skillset.
I'm not the one whining, just explaining why you shouldn't listen to a business man blame Obama care for what's been a problem for a long time in this country. I also question not just the why but the who that's moaning and groaning, since I know for fact that some businesses are eyeing expansions, and upgrades to their businesses, as soon as the law is fully implemented. So as one sided as your arguments are, you cannot discount the good the law will do as a whole.
The health care industry as a whole may show more growth than it already has. You mean Amarillo hasn't seen expansion of hospitals and clinics? Dude even the county run hospital are getting bigger. Those are good job being created so screw the problems of the hamburger flippers and shelf stocker industries. You better get some skills and make some money.
Can't believe you have been missing all this.
I persoanlly know a couple doctors that are closing up their practices. They told me as much... and it is because of Obamacare.
My mom's doctor has almost completed his electronic medical records upgrades, my primary doctor already has, and share files, and test results with my specialists, AND insurance provider and yes I have access to every bill submitted with the codes and what was paid.
Not everyone will know how to make the system work for them, nor understand it very well but the knowledge is out there if you are willing to learn, and are patient with the learning curve. I can safely predict long term pricing of drugs and services stabilizing in as little as 3 years, and that alone will be great for consumers.
It can't be too bad since more republican governors are going for it after they get away from the reporters and cameras. Even Rick Perry is embracing the changes, while he renamed it and swears its his idea now.
Dude, the last post was about the public sector following suit with part timers, not businesses.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Amarillo's health care has grown for decades, we're a regional health center and if you'd paid attention I've often said my wife is in the health care industry so I've seen it from both sides for years. What's happening is providers are consolidating, joining large practices and getting bought out by those same giant corporate beasts you hate - and you're going to see more of that as the little guys get squeezed out and doctors just plain get fed up with the whole system. It's already been reported many times here how many doctors are getting out or planning on it thanks to, you guessed it, Obamacare.Quote:
the health care industry as a whole may show more growth than it already has. You mean Amarillo hasn't seen expansion of hospitals and clinics? Dude even the county run hospital are getting bigger. Those are good job being created so screw the problems of the hamburger flippers and shelf stocker industries. You better get some skills and make some money.
Can't believe you have been missing all this.
You can be all cheery and "hopeful" but the fact is so far there hasn't been much good news come out of this monstrosity.
Typical of what happens when there is over regulation. It's been demonstrated many times. The good news is that the few remaining cronies will be 'too big to fail'.Quote:
What's happening is providers are consolidating, joining large practices and getting bought out by those same giant corporate beasts you hate - and you're going to see more of that as the little guys get squeezed out and doctors just plain get fed up with the whole system.
I have provided links many times to the hospitals buying up the private practices, none of which has anything to do with Obama Care but is corporate greed. I was trying to tie the public sector and the private sector knee jerk reaction together to how you that the so called business/ municipal managers are stuck on stupid, and lazy in finding ways to cope with an old problem and changing times.
This is nothing new for small rural towns, and counties who have always been strapped for cash, and who have needed to upgrade for decades. But until you have looked at the balance between people and profits, you will blame the wrong person, for the wrong reason, and find the wrong solutions.
Trickle down economic cannot work in a consumer driven economy. That's the basic problem, no circulation is the result. That why Romney's plan was a loser last year.
I love it when you blame over regulation as a reason companies cannot make even huger profits than they already do. And we should adapt the economics of third world countries to succeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
This isn't a socialist country... businesses are rarely owned by the employees. So they take what the company offers or they go down the street to another company that will offer them more.
If they actually have any value as an employee they shouldn't have any trouble doing that.
You will never have value if you let anyone tell you what they think you are worth, and pay you less. That's why those good factory job are way across the water, and that 20 years you spent lands you at the mercy of a kid with pimples telling you how lazy, slow, and useless you are. And your old buds don't know you. Tell me again how valuable you are to your company who are probably looking to replace you once they find a young kid who is just a sharp, but takes less money, benefits and work longer hours.
Count your blessings while you have them. And keep doing what the boss tell you. And PS, the guy down the street don't want your old, tired, arrogant a$$. You just think he does.
The coolest thing about all this is that it's going to be the unions that drive the final nail into this folly .
Likely the unions will negotiate good terms for it members. That's what they do. Blue collar guys may have different needs than others, especially the seasonal ones.
Just look at James Hoffa's rant about Obamacare .The emperor gets on his soap box all the time claiming to be looking out for the interests of the "middle class" .Quote:
Likely the unions will negotiate good terms for it members.
The truth is that this folly ,if allowed to be implemented will be the biggest factor in the demise of the "middle class" . As the letter correctly points out ,Obamacare will “shatter not only our hard-earned health benefits, but destroy the foundation of the 40 hour work week that is the backbone of the American middle class.”
Of course they are hoist on their own petard . It was clear in 2009 that Obamacare incentivizes companies to make the adjustments that many are making ;and MOST will make eventually . Yet the unions sent out their shock troops to promote the plan ;and to help reelect the emperor.
Truth told of course is that unions destroy American jobs already. But they weren't doing it fast enough for the man who wants to fundamentally transform the country .
The banks destroyed American job, and the middle class, supporting corporate America's chasing cheap labor around the globe. This goes back to Bushes "New World Order", and Reagans union busting.
Or the republican goal of solving health care starting with Nixon was a sham to curry votes, and not a principle they believed in. Maybe all the bluster of wanting a strong middle class is more right wing BS, and you don't mean to include anyone that doesn't assimilate and follow your rules (principles), and methods.
You guys always ask why should you give compromise your principles? Yet turn around and make others give up theirs and adopt yours. It's not going to happen. The founders were wise to have regular elections, even if they never foresaw the lengths some go to change the rules, to keep power.
No wonder you long for the good old days, when you could do as you please, and make others bend to your will.
"The Banks" didn't destroy anything... Liberal policies did it.
Businesses exist to make money for their owners... every single disgruntled employee out there has the opportunity to start their own if they think they can do it better.
You have the loony right wing version of reality down pat.
Only the left believes only the elite are ALLOWED to start their own businesses.
What reality do you live in where there are NO privately owned businesses?
The recession has caused myriads of ordinary people to start their own small business/cottage industry. Over the years, I started my own resume/job coaching business, renegade counseling business, and freelance editing business. And the last thing I am is elite. And I wasn't disgruntled -- just an overachiever looking for ways to use up my extra energies.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
You are making that up, why I don't know, must be the stuff you read.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Of course they did. Have you read a single newspaper or watched a TV news show at any time in the last 5 years?Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
The banks FRAUDULENTLY sold worthless securities KNOWINGLY, causing the world wide financial collapse. This is NOT in dispute.
You need to get out more.
The dispute comes from how we got there in the first place. That is where the liberals come into the big picture. They created laws that forced the banks to do what they did. They forced a realestate bubble and allowed people that couldn't afford a home to buy one anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Athos
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