Ask Me Help Desk - Another nanny state ban?

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Originally Posted by califdadof3

So why should the state control the foods people eat?

Hello dad:

Or the herbs they smoke?

excon

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello dad:

Or the herbs they smoke?

excon

Lets not even go there. They won't even consider hemp as a renewable source for bio fuel and its cheaper to grow and process then corn (food).

Yet they want control of everything so long as they are exempt from it.

Go figure.

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Originally Posted by califdadof3

So why should the state control the foods people eat?

So they don't become obese monstrosities and run up the cost of health insurance?

And the state isn't doing this. It's only one little woman, the principal -- and maybe the board of ed. (i.e. parents). She believes in recess too.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

So they don't become obese monstrosities and run up the cost of health insurance?

And the state isn't doing this. It's only one little woman, the principal -- and maybe the board of ed. (i.e., parents). She believes in recess too.

I believe it was stated in the article that other schools are also participating in the ban. Its not stated as to which ones. So far as obese goes what's to stop them from eting more then one meal or when at home doing nothing outside and only playing video games? What studies are now showing is that the more active the children the worse off the diet is because of quick easy choices being made by the parents.

This is just another infringement upon peoples rights.

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Originally Posted by califdadof3

I believe it was stated in the article that other schools are also participating in the ban.

Ban? If the parents refuse to feed their kids correctly, SOMEone has to.

From the article, "A Chicago Public Schools spokeswoman said she could not say how many schools prohibit packed lunches and that decision is left to the judgment of the principals."

It's not a state "ban."

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So far as obese goes what's to stop them from eting more then one meal or when at home doing nothing outside and only playing video games?

Then, whose responsibility is it?

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What studies are now showing is that the more active
The children the worse off the diet is because of quick easy choices being made by the parents.

That makes no sense.

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infringement on people's rights

Then the parents need to talk with the principals.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Ban? If the parents refuse to feed their kids correctly, SOMEone has to.

From the article, "A Chicago Public Schools spokeswoman said she could not say how many schools prohibit packed lunches and that decision is left to the judgment of the principals."

It's not a state "ban."

Then, whose responsibility is it?

That makes no sense.

Then the parents need to talk with the principals.

It's the responsibility of the parents and the doctors treating the children to consult on eating habits if it has become a problem. If its not a problem then there is no reason to butt into it. Unless you believe the goobermint will save us all from what we do.

Do you really believe in one size fits all type of programs?

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

She sent you to school with a lunch of chips, soda, and cookies? I think not! That is exactly why the principal is doing this -- the kids are packing their own lunches -- and badly. What would you have put in your lunch bag?

Sometimes cookies... sometimes chips too . Usually the sandwich was some brand of bologna conconction or peanut butter (would the school even permit me to bring that into school these days ?),on some soggy bleached white bread .It's the best my parents could do at that time .

When I got lunch money it was usually purchase ice cream from the school ,and save the balance for candy from 7-11 on the way home. On days the school served hot dogs or some chef boyardee concoction I usually got the hot lunch.

What you are saying is that the principle is assuming the parents will act irresponsibly and has decided to assume the role of parent. This is all nanny statism . Yeah there are always good intentions . But bottom line ,it is not their place to decide what parents feed their kids.

Maybe they should concentrate instead on what they are paid to do. Teach the kids!!

And here is the rest of the story. Seems its being pushed by the Federal Goobermint.

Nachos for lunch? Yes, every day - Chicago Tribune

So today's menu is...

Chartwells Schools

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

I read that in this morning's paper. The kids who packed their own lunches brought chips and soda and cookies. The school principal hoped the school would give them a better variety and more nutritious food. The kids are throwing it away.

Go back to chips and sodas and cookies?

I'm thinking the school should involve the kids in making up the menu. Both should compromise.

I maybe ate lunch at school a half dozen times through sixth grade. I walked home the 5 blocks for lunch 99 percent of the time. In Jr High and High School I got an allowance for lunch, more often than not I ate anywhere but the school cafeteria. Face it, the food sucked and I would never force kids to eat school food or more importantly, say parents can't send their kids to school with a lunch.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Ban? If the parents refuse to feed their kids correctly, SOMEone has to.

Bullsh*t. The state should mind its own business unless the kids are abused and/or neglected. If I want to feed my kids fish sticks and cookies the state has no say in it.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Bullsh*t. The state should mind its own business unless the kids are abused and/or neglected. If I want to feed my kids fish sticks and cookies the state has no say in it.

It's not the state. It's the principal of your school. Then you talk with him or her, if you're not happy.

principal = in loco parentis

Would you scream if they took recess away from your kid? Or handwriting? Or sentence diagramming?

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

It's not the state. It's the principal of your school. Then you talk with him or her, if you're not happy.

principal = in loco parentis

Would you scream if they took recess away from your kid? or handwriting? or sentence diagramming?

Those issues would motivate me to speak up. When mine were in school they knew me by first name. I wasn't knitpicky but I did stand up against the system a few times. I also had a principle tell me that my son had surpassed the capacity in a subject for the private school he was in and they were surprised when I pulled him out of it the next day. Go figure.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

It's not the state. It's the principal of your school. Then you talk with him or her, if you're not happy.

Who pays the principal? The people. He is "the state," of, provided by, or concerned with the civil government of a country. I'm still the parent, not him.

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Would you scream if they took recess away from your kid? Or handwriting? Or sentence diagramming?

Yes. The end of cursive?

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Who pays the principal? The people. He is "the state," of, provided by, or concerned with the civil government of a country. I'm still the parent, not him.

So then parents will attend PTA meetings, parent-teacher conferences, and be comfortable in the principal's office talking about school policies and procedures -- and reaching compromises.

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Yes. The end of cursive?

Well, recess is gone, as is handwriting and diagramming. Someone didn't speak up.

Michelle Obama probably has her big fat behind involved in this.

After all, Bertha Butt herself has a lot to say about big bums.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

Michelle Obama probably has her big fat behind involved in this.

Nope. It's just common sense.

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Yes. The end of cursive?

Yeah they probably dropped calligraphy and the use of the abacus too.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Nope. It's just common sense.

You missed my point on that... ever see her butt? I'm serious... its HUGE same with her legs.

Now plenty of people are big, and some can't help it... but "people who live in glass houses......"

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Originally Posted by tomder55

yeah they probably dropped calligraphy and the use of the abacus too.

The abacus was gone when I was in school but we hadn't switched to calculators either, we had to think. You know, the next generation won't even be able to read the Declaration of Independence.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

You missed my point on that.....ever see her butt? I'm serious...its HUGE same with her legs.

Now plenty of people are big, and some can't help it....but "people who live in glass houses......"

I've never paid any attention to any First Lady's butt, especially Hillary's - though I bet excon did.