Well, you all have described who makes up the Obama supporting left.

THey believe only what Obama tells them to believe... they ignore reality and evidence that contradicts what their Messiah tealls them to believe.

THey expect to steal from those who have worked harder to earn more than they did, and they believe they are entitled to everything for free... and that someone ELSE should pay for what they demand.


The concept of actually working to earn it is beyond their capacity to grasp. Their spiritual leader and Messiah says they should not have to earn anything by working for it, or sacrifcing.


THey have this concept that only children share... that you can actually get something for free... and that while their time is valuable... they think everyone else should work for free.

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Yea, him as an example.

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And YOU are a good example of those who sit on their butts and complain they don't have something instead of going out and working to pay for it.

Yeah... I think you should pay your own way...

The lazy deserve nothing. THEY didn't pay my way through College... THEY didn't work long hours... THEY didn't pay the taxes I had to pay... THEY can rot in hell for all I care.

THEY aren't entitled to a damn thing THEY didn't earn.

And Unlike Canadians...


We have the RIGHT to have guns to keep them from stealing it... and the right to shoot them if they try.

One of the rights I am proud we have that you don't have in Canada.

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I'd ask the same about Bush haters.

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I don't hate him -- never did. In 2000 when he was declared the president, I honestly gave him a chance. He was the president of our country and for that alone he deserved respect. I liked his mother (until her comment in Houston) and saw George W. as a good-looking, warm-hearted, friendly guy I'd love to have lunch with at a Crawford diner. As time went on, well, you know...

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And YOU are a good example of those who sit on their butts and complain they don't have something instead of going out and working to pay for it.

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I have no idea what the hell that means.

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Yeah...I think you should pay your own way.....

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Do you resent paying taxes to support public schools? I sent both of my kids to a parochial school for $XXX a year and also paid taxes to support the public schools my kids didn't attend. And my kids have been out of public schools for years, but year after year I pay taxes to support those same public schools. Should I refuse?

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I don't hate him -- never did. In 2000 when he was declared the president, I honestly gave him a chance. He was the president of our country and for that alone he deserved respect. I liked his mother (until her comment in Houston) and saw George W. as a good-looking, warm-hearted, friendly guy I'd love to have lunch with at a Crawford diner. As time went on, well, you know....

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Never said you did hate him, but the hate started on election day and never let up. The left publicly fantasized about his and Cheney's demise, and a movie depicting Bush's assassination barely raised an eyebrow. Compared to the nonexistent evidence of racist tea partiers it's a slam dunk on who the real haters are.

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The left publicly fantasized about his and Cheney's demise,

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Wrong. A few crazies might have and you attribute that to being a trait of all liberals.

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Never said you did hate him, but the hate started on election day and never let up.

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Obama became President fair and square and is hated despite that. If Obama had become President the way George W. did, do you think Republicans would have ignored that?

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I have no idea what the hell that means.

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You want something free, and expect someone else to foot the bill, so you don't have to, because you don't want to. Is that clear enough?

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You want something free, and expect someone else to foot the bill, so you don't have to, because you don't want to. Is that clear enough?

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It doesn't make sense at all. Some of my taxes gets taken off my paycheck for my universal health care. Mine.
What am I getting free? Who's footing the bill?

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Do you resent paying taxes to support public schools? I sent both of my kids to a parochial school for $XXX a year and also paid taxes to support the public schools my kids didn't attend. And my kids have been out of public schools for years, but year after year I pay taxes to support those same public schools. Should I refuse?

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I resent paying taxes that not only support my schools, but schools elesewhere in the state, let them support their own schools. For those who can't grasp the concept. A counties schools are supported by that counties taxpayers... not tax several counties taxes higher and take a lions share to give to OTHER counties schools. THAT irritates the hell out of me. And it does happen here in VA.

If my taxes stayed in my county... school related... they would be far lower. And I would not object as much. But I firmly believe school taxes should be based on how many kids you have... not how big your bedroom is.

I DETEST... and censor software prevents me from writing what I really want to say about paying taxes that pay for ANYTHING used by an illegal or their offspring, education, medical, anything.

And here that is 19% of the school budget alone purely for illegals in the school system... and that's what the school district claims. That's not Insignificant.

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Wrong. A few crazies might have and you attribute that to being a trait of all liberals.

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And how was the Tea Party folks portrayed here ?

For a refresher zomblog has some photos that are representative of many of the anti-Bush rallies that went on during his 8 years

Death Threats Against Bush at Protests Ignored for Years zomblog

See? You did again!

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I resent paying taxes that not only support my schools, but schools elesewhere int he state, let them support their own schools. For those who can't grasp the concept. A counties schools are supported by that counties taxpayers....not tax several counties higher and take a lions share to give to OTHER counties schools. THAT irritates the hell out of me.

If my taxes stayed in my county...school related.....they would be far lower. And I would not object as much. But I firmly believe school taxes should be based on how many kids you have....not how big your bedroom is.

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If it were left to you, would you have schools at all? I'm hearing "no." If there were no schools, how would you educate your children?

As for illegals, if you were in charge, what would you do with them?

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See? You did again!

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Right... typical Liberal... THEY are the only ones who have the right to speak up... heaven forbid anyone disagree with THEM...

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Right...typical Liberal....THEY are the only ones who have the right to speak up......heaven forbid anyone disagree with THEM....

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I think you may require the help of a mental health professional.

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If it were left to you, would you have schools at all? I'm hearing "no." If there were no schools, how would you educate your children?

As for illegals, if you were in charge, what would you do with them?

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You didn't read that, did you, try reading it again.

If you have 4 kids you pay four times the school taxes.

After all they are YOUR kids.

And under no case would my counties taxes be spent to pay for another counties schools. Let THEM pay the higher taxes for once... support themselves.

And yeah... MY county has higher taxes that bleed US dry to subsidize counties that pay far lower taxes... do you think that's fair? And its not just that tax either... we pay the highest taxes... yet get the lowest amount back from those taxes in the ENTIRE state. And we are talking State level functions and taxes here.

Personally, I'd like legal residents to be able to take that portion of school budget to put towards private school tuition.

Yeah... I do have a problem with much of the public school system. THey keep asking for ever more money and spend ever more time on indocrination rather than education. Students have never been less prepared, and we have never spent MORE per student. Money isn't the problem... its the people in the system calling the shots... and a few bad apples as well.

I think we had that discussion on another thread... I saw a slide starting when I was in high school, but someone older saw it start earlier than that, like the late 60's.

Do I have all the answers? Nope... but returning to corporal punishment... and getting rid of the Teachers Union and the concept of tenure.


Public, State and Federal employees should not be unionized.

I agree they need more control in their classrooms.. and to be held accountible as well.

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You didn't read that, did you, try reading it again.

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I am honestly trying to understand what you say. Why are you smacking me?

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If you have 4 kids you pay four times the school taxes.

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So someone with no kids pays nothing? The population of a county would change size, and support for the schools would change accordingly. What happens to the school meanwhile? It has to adjust as to maintenance, hiring, etc?

If you feel so strongly about your county's paying to support poorer counties, why don't you move to a poorer or different county? -- or even to a state that does things differently?

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I am honestly trying to understand what you say. Why are you smacking me?

So someone with no kids pays nothing? The population of a county would change size, and support for the schools would change accordingly. What happens to the school meanwhile? It has to adjust as to maintenance, hiring, etc?

If you feel so strongly about your county's paying to support poorer counties, why don't you move to a poorer or different county? -- or even to a state that does things differently?

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Not smacking you... just asking you to read it again... sometimes the second time you understand it... thats what I do when I didn't see a point the first time through. Something I was taught in elementary school decades ago. I actually was lucky to have a couple of exceptional teachers before I got to high school. They set the bar as to how I compared all other teachers.

Because that county should pay higher taxes.. not lower. Or make do with less. We aren't just talking total dollars but actual tax rates as well being higher here.

And no... I'm not moving to a poorer county because the work I do is not there. And I'm not going to spend half my day driving in traffic.


And Incidentally... the reason I refuse to live in DC and why I no longer reside on MD does explain that... Taxes and how they waste that money did have a factor in why I live in VA. I did once live in MD for a good number of years. And yes, it plays a big factor why I left PA with the entitlement mentality so many there have developed.

Montgomery County MD has sucked up to the Illegals and liberal mentality so bad... they argued they had the RIGHT to teach condom usage in the third grade (real condoms, real cucumbers), and parents had no say in it at all. In fact an Illegal organisation pratically dictates what they will and won't do with legal taxpayers money.

CASA Di MARYLAND... and nodody ever checks their papers. Google it up... Illegals telling legals what they can do... and no repercussions.

Why can't we stop blaming Bush for everything. Obama was in the senate when the first bailout was passed. Obama has done so much worse than Bush. He's managed to spend more $$ in 18 months then all previous administrations combined.