I haven't. Can't get out of my house. Haven't been out since 09/11/2020.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
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I haven't. Can't get out of my house. Haven't been out since 09/11/2020.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Medical issues? Very sorry if that's the case.
No one knows. That's the point of getting the vaccine.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
The anti-vaxxers don't wear masks or social distance.Quote:
Isn't that why we wear masks and social distance?
Not about knowing or not knowing. Herd immunity comes from taking the vaccine.Quote:
Besides, if you have taken the shots, then why would you need to know?
And you know this how?Quote:
The anti-vaxxers don't wear masks or social distance.
If you want to be protected, take the Trump vaccine. If you don't trust the vaccine, then don't take it. Seems pretty simple. In no case should the feds force people to take the vaccine.
Exactly! Let them die! Or kill Grandma and Uncle Ned!Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Why not?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
If you can't get out of your house you have minimum riskQuote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
A little issue called "freedom".
If you're referring to my post, your issue sure is little. The necessity of fighting a worldwide pandemic trumps your little issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
There is no need for any individual to take a shot in order to fight a worldwide pandemic. In our state we have reduced the number of cases dramatically. Some people are vaccinated, but by no means a majority. We are doing wildly better than many states like NY, and better than many nations like Germany and France. We will not surrender our liberties to some shrill voice of panic.
BTW, my wife and I have both taken the vaccine. I would suggest anyone over fifty to take it or those with serious health problems. No problem, but I will not participate at all in forcing others to do so.
Don't move to India.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I see no need to force anyone to take a shot however I would hope in the interest of all of us getting back to good health and safety that we would do so voluntarily. The life you save may be your own or someone you really care about. Hope for the best but plan for the worst is probably the way this is going to work out. We'll see won't we?
Love it or lose it.
The need is for as many as possible to take the shot to fight a worldwide pandemic. No one suggests a single individual is enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
So you are saying individuals do not have to comply? Well then, we agree.
The need is for as many as possible to take the shot to fight a worldwide pandemic.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Don't get no more easy as that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Athos
If anyone wants to be protected, they take the shot. Others don't feel the need for it. Fine with me.
Those who don't take the shot are putting their children and families in danger.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
If they don't have Covid they're putting no one at risk. Besides, there is no real risk to children from Covid. Surely our all knowing, all glorious government can leave some decisions up to free Americans.
"Children, including very young children, can develop COVID-19. Many of them have no symptoms. Those that do get sick tend to experience milder symptoms such as low-grade fever, fatigue, and cough. Some children have had severe complications, but this has been less common. Children with underlying health conditions may be at increased risk for severe illness.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
A potentially severe and dangerous complication can occur in children. Called multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children (MIS-C), it can lead to life-threatening problems with the heart and other organs in the body. In this condition, different body parts, such as the heart, lungs, kidneys, brain, skin, eyes, or gastrointestinal organs, can become inflamed."
https://www.health.harvard.edu/disea...break-and-kids
Please feel free to take your grandchildren to visit elderly homebound q church members. Remember, no real risk to children!
please feel free to stay at home until the risk passes, they may not be at risk but you are and so are the people you visit
I will rephrase my comment. The threat to normal, healthy children from COVID is very, very, very small. The complication you linked to is very rare.Quote:
"Children, including very young children, can develop COVID-19. Many of them have no symptoms. Those that do get sick tend to experience milder symptoms such as low-grade fever, fatigue, and cough. Some children have had severe complications, but this has been less common. Children with underlying health conditions may be at increased risk for severe illness.
A potentially severe and dangerous complication can occur in children. Called multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children (MIS-C), it can lead to life-threatening problems with the heart and other organs in the body. In this condition, different body parts, such as the heart, lungs, kidneys, brain, skin, eyes, or gastrointestinal organs, can become inflamed."
https://www.health.harvard.edu/disea...break-and-kids
It would be reasonable to place some restrictions on those not yet vaccinated. No visits to nursing homes, for instance.
They can have Covid without knowing it and transmit it to others.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
The medical says otherwise. See MIS-C for children and Covid. Children can be asymptomatic, just like adults. The risk is very real to children.Quote:
Besides, there is no real risk to children from Covid.
You seem to be letting the government influence your reaction to Covid. The government has not forced anyone to take the vaccine.Quote:
Surely our all knowing, all glorious government can leave some decisions up to free Americans.
Biden admin blows it again. The April jobs report was expected to add about a million new jobs. The total ended up being 1/4 of that. I wonder if that's because Washington is too stupid to figure out that even with 7 million jobs available out there, if you keep paying people hundreds of dollars a week to stay at home and play video games, they are not going to have a motivation to go out and take one of those 7 mil?
Where is DJT when we need him? Or DeSantis? Or Carson? Or Tim Scott? Or Kristi Noem? Or Mike Pence? For that matter, anyone with a working brain who does not amount to a robot in need of programming?
Deflection away from Covid. No answers?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Trump is hiding under his bed somewhere anticipating the jail cell he will soon be living in.
You mean answers like the Trump vaccine which we have only because of Operation Warpspeed, a Trump admin initiative? Is that what you mean? You mean the Trump vaccine which is the leading reason the infection/death rates haven fallen so precipitously? Is that the answer you are looking for?
Speaking of deflection, you have no comment about the pathetic state of the April jobs report. Wonder why? The April jobs report was a disaster, and your reply is some silliness about Trump? Really?
No, I meant your claim that Covid poses no threat to children, and that those without Covid are putting no one at risk, and your comments about government when the truth is government has forced no one to take the vaccine.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
1. Covid poses no more threat to children than the flu does. It's a foolish argument.
2. Those without Covid don't put others at risk? What more plainly true statement could be made? "Hey! You better stay away from me. After all, I don't have Covid." Huh?
3. I never said the gov has forced people to take the vaccine. Pay attention. I said the gov should not be allowed to do so. You said they should be allowed. Remember? I said, "In no case should the feds force people to take the vaccine." Your reply was, "
Why not?"
The foolish argument is ignoring that both diseases can cause serious illness including death, and are transmissible to others.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
The problem here is that the presence of Covid is unknown among any group of people. Those seemingly without it can be asymptomatic.Quote:
Those without Covid don't put others at risk?
"Why not?" does not mean the government should be allowed. It means why should the government NOT be allowed.Quote:
I said the gov should not be allowed to do so. You said they should be allowed. Remember? I said, "In no case should the feds force people to take the vaccine." Your reply was, "Why not?"
And thus we wear masks and social distance. But it's all a moot point since you now are saying you don't believe the gov should be able to mandate the vaccine and are not suggesting they do so.Quote:
The problem here is that the presence of Covid is unknown among any group of people. Those seemingly without it can be asymptomatic.
So you are asking why the government should not be allowed to do what you are not suggesting they be allowed to do in the first place? Sorry. That doesn't fly.Quote:
"Why not?" does not mean the government should be allowed. It means why should the government NOT be allowed.
That is correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
You're confusing yourself. I am asking you what are your reasons for not allowing the government to mandate the vaccine.Quote:
But it's all a moot point since you now are saying you don't believe the gov should be able to mandate the vaccine and are not suggesting they do so.
So you are asking why the government should not be allowed to do what you are not suggesting they be allowed to do in the first place? Sorry. That doesn't fly.
I agree, It would be crazy (Same discussion when they implemented Seatbelts). Who's going to foot the Bill when non-vaccinated person becomes infected? kinda gives them the rite?Quote:
"In no case should the feds force people to take the vaccine.
Whoever foots it now.Quote:
Originally Posted by waltero
Why wouldn't they foot it? They don't want the vaccine then fine, but if you get sick, make sure you have insurance. A little personal responsibility would be nice.
If you don't think the gov should force people to take the vaccination, then what is there to discuss? We agree on that.Quote:
I am asking you what are your reasons for not allowing the government to mandate the vaccine.
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Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I am asking you what are your reasons for not allowing the government to mandate the vaccine.
Do you have to ask? your constitution, implied or otherwise, doesn't allow this violation of individual freedom
I am asking a member here what his reasons are. I am NOT asking about the Constitution.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
"If you don't think the gov should force people to take the vaccination, then what is there to discuss? We agree on that."
This is not a statement of your reasons. Is there a reason you won't state them?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
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