Tom - your cartoon is in bad taste in my opinion. It demeans the memories of the astronauts.
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Tom - your cartoon is in bad taste in my opinion. It demeans the memories of the astronauts.
Hello again, Steve:
But, it IS "gonna" get fixed, ain't it?Quote:
I'm also not averse to the reality that it's not fixed and won't be for some time.
Then "what're ya gonna" squeal about?
excon
PS> I put quotes around those words, NOT because I'm quoting anything - but to DEFEAT the program that wants to change the way I write.
Eventually it may get fixed, but that doesn't increase my confidence in the regime that screwed it up from the get go. Your devotion is inexplicable.
You know what's in bad taste ?Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
This
Thousands Of Consumers Get Insurance Cancellation Notices Due To Health Law Changes - Kaiser Health News
These buffoons are screwing with the lives and health of millions of Americans ,and they haven't got the slightest idea about what they are doing .
That issue and the one I referred to are not related. You chose to use that cartoon.
And I'd use it again regardless of what you think of it.
Suck it up and deal with it... that cartoon is NOTHING compared to the cartoons we were bombarded with when Bush was in office.
The liberals are the Kings of being tasteless in their demogogery.
I guess I have a little more respect for the memories of the astronauts.Quote:
And I'd use it again regardless of what you think of it.
It doesn't demean the memory of the astronauts, it demonstrates the regime's aversion to acknowledging a monumental disaster.
We have different views I guess. That's no surprise. I guess in your world anything can be used as canon fodder.
You mean like when Obama ordered the caskets of fallen service members to be paraded around for photo ops by the antiwar lefties that voted for him?Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Hello again, Steve:
Let's review, shall we? There's NO devotion in knowing the thing is "gonna" get fixed.Quote:
Your devotion is inexplicable.
However, I'll cop to being devoted to supplying affordable health care to people who never had it before. I'm also not too torn about about the costs... They'll even out.. After all, it's only just being implemented.
But, if you ask me whether I like what the insurance companies are doing, I don't. I don't like 'em at all.
excon
Even the small percentage of the population that loses what they have will have options that work for them. If they choose to beech rather than see what those options are then that's their choice too. And the governor of your state and elected representatives. Indeed evidence shows that the states can make the government website a NON factor.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
It's no coincidence that co operating already has yielded better results than those that don't.
The Ford Pinto couldn't be fixed. The Yugo couldn't be fixed...Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Poverty hasn't been fixed yet through handouts after how many decades and generations? And after how much money was thrown away?
The 85% of the population liked what they had . So the whole system had to be broken to accommodate 15% (many of whom still don't want it and will pay a fine... ooops I mean tax instead ) . This is the type of fix we can expect from the left .
That and not even congress or the White house wants it... that says everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
If it was so wonderful why did they go as far as exempting themselves from being subjected to it?
Hello again, tom:
Nahhh.. The left wanted single payer. Rip, zap - SIMPLE. Obama tried to get Republicans to join him by leaving the insurance companies in the mix...Quote:
This is the type of fix we can expect from the left .
Bwa, ha ha ha ha ha... Crazy, huh? Bwa, ha ha ha ha.
excon
I have plenty of respect for the memory of the astronauts . They died because of the hubris of NASA . All the after incident investigations led to that conclusion. The same is true with the launch of this abomination call AHCA . It's the pure hubris of progressive rule , and the hubris of the emperor that led to the Obamacare disaster .The prevailing thought behind it is that if the people don’t like what the progressives offer, they will nevertheless have to learn to like it for their own good.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
We know there won't be a quick fix ,and it would be fitting if the death spiral of this disastrous law would take him the rest of his term to address... except for the pain he's already causing on the population and the nation.
I refer to your devotion to trusting an incompetent regime to make it work. What have they done so far to gain such trust?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
They can't handle this interface. You think they can handle running the whole health care industry... Bwaaahaaahaa . Delusion !Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
They made requirements and regulations and should have required the Insurance companies to build and maintain the website.
He should have went with the left wingers and cut the middleman out from the get go.
Unbelievable! Even when the insurance companies have nothing to do with the issues related to the launch you still blame them. Incredible denial ! Show me any aspect of the government that they have run better .They have mucked up everything they've touched .
Really... which ones would do what part and which contributes how much since there are small companies and there are HUGE companies?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
I really hope some prominent left wingers are the first to die because they have needed treatments refused... that previously would have been done without question.
But we know most of them already have illegal exemptions and illegal defferals by Obama.
Mike Lee: Man of the people actually isn't one
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'Show horse' Lee facing GOP backlash in Utah
He should have followed his daddy back to Texas.
Always quoting the DNC proaganda outlets...
Yes the Washington Post and New York Times are part of the DNC Propaganda apparatus.
THey were convinced Obama and the Dems had a mandate ......the 2010 elections proved that wrong.
THe polls that have Obama well withing the margin of error at exactly where Bush was the same time in his second term....
Hell...Obama doesn't even have the majority of the people that voted for him behind him on this. Ony the lunatic fringe of the lunatic fringe buy his cock and bull stories.
How is it possible that you and other diehards can't seem to find anyone to blame who actually has some responsibility for this fiasco?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
I laid no blame, just gave my opinion of what I thought my president should have done. What are you even talking about?
You shifted blame away from those responsible in my opinion.
Blame? Its only been two/three weeks. I have said the ACA will work, even if the website ain't ready for prime time. Well in some places with or without any help from YOU guys.
Now if you want to switch subjects I am hardly alone in blaming YOU guys for shutting the government down over the ACA. Americans didn't like or appreciate that strategy. YOU Americans did, but WE didn't like it worth a damn. That's just a FACT!
In addition...
Obamacare Popularity Rises in Gallup Poll Despite Technical Difficulties With ACA Website
Who should I blame for this small but significant rise in popularity?Quote:
45 percent of those polled in the mid-October survey stated they approved of the law compared to 50 percent who said they currently disapprove, according to the survey.
"This suggests that the poor performance of the health exchange sites may not at this point be negatively affecting Americans' views of the ACA overall," Gallup researchers said of the survey, which questioned people just days after the partial government shutdown ended.
In contrast back in August, 41 percent expressed support for the ACA while 49 percent did not. As expected, the results of the survey where decidedly spilt among Democrats and Republicans as well as exhibiting a generational divide among young and old.
About the source of this article.
Christian news, Christian Post
So what's affordable about a guy's premiums and deductibles doubling or tripling? And if it's so great why do they have to sell it? I may not like Obamacare, but I'll have to live with it. What I don't like and I've said it from the start is the way they went about it, we didn't want it, it was totally partisan and they've lied to us about it from day one. I don't appreciate the outright lies and total lack of transparency, do you? Why should we be happy about that?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Have yours?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
I've answered that many times. I personally don't pay a premium (yet) but my wife does and it remains to be seen what will happen. Too many others have and that's a real issue for working people, and it would seem those who push this fiasco should show as much concern about those affected in this way as I have and would demand some transparency and accountability.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Who?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Read through the threads, I'm not doing the work again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Oh, those spurious ones. Yeah, I remember.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
If anyone got their premiums raised, that's the fault of the insurance companies, probably in the states where the governors refuse to allow Medicaid expansion.
Spurious? Get real, I wasn't citing Freepers, one of them was your own Tribune.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Tsk, tsk. Thought you weren't going to "share" again.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Sit tight. Things will all shake out. You will be happy again someday. Maybe Hillary will fix things.
If you thought Wall St was OOC, hang on it's going to be a bumpy ride in the Health Care Dept. The AHC is affordable for very low income persons and for those who don't get sick or need serious medical attention. Everyone else will find themselves heavily charged for dr appts, hospital care and for not purchasing overpriced health coverage. All those who have a plan from their employer will see the cost of those plans continue to go up without any added benefits. Why? Because the representatives in Washington don't have a clue what life is like for the one income working poor. I am a lifelong Democrat and I am sick of being over taxed under paid and forced to bear the burden of poorly designed bills passed by Congress. If our representatives had to use the services and follow the laws they pass, they would think twice before voting for bills like AHC.
I said I'm not doing the work, searching for one isn't work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
P.S. as much as the left wishes we would sit down, shut up and trust this regime we refuse. What has the most transparent administration ever done to earn our trust? Also, is the author of this thread giving us a spurious account?
Actually that isn't true at all. Many had it raised because of Obamacare and its mandates that are contained in it. And yes I have seen a rise in the plan my company provides and a rise to the direct out of pocket expenses that I will have to pay. There is a wake up call coming soon to many and they don't even realize that it is coming. Many States that have covered those that were denied are now going to kick those people off the State rolls and into the system. No longer will everything be free or close to it and the deductables are going to put many in financial ruin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
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