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Hi Ex
I thought there was an american incursion into Somalia at one time. That mission didn't achieve its objectives, too soft an approach perhaps and a lot of dead bodies after a certain adventurist incident.
Leaving them alone hasn't done anythng by allowed al ashabab to arise and consolidate their position although they seem to be on the losing end lately. How do you bomb a group who lives in a desert?
So yes your formula has proven correct
Give Obama is drones back.
Clinton blew up an aspirin factory there to distract the media once upon a time.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Tal
Those drones seem committed to Yemen defending the Saudi interests but then it is only a short flight to Somalia so maybe they could get some milage
Smoothy
I think they might be fresh out of aspirin factories although no doubt there is great need Attacking real terrorists like al shabab instead of Syria might get him some brownie points considering he has a family interest in Kenya
Yeah... but that would make sense... that means he'd never do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Never try to predict what a politician will do, particularly an unpredictable one
Five years and he hasn't done the right thing yet... statistics say he's not likely to anytime soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Ah yes but he did earn his peace prize by stopping the war in Iraq, predictable and he is withdrawing from Afghanistan, predictable
Except he didn't... he got that for dreams and promses... long before we ever got out of Iraq... but wait... we still have troops there... don't we?Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Seriously, does anyone know? You had some there recently for exercises or was that JordanQuote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
He did not earn the peace prize for Iraq. He got it for his (don't gag) extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples.
Extraordinary efforts which only happened after the eventQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
And the event didn't even occur until years after he got the Prize. (which was like a month or two after he took office)Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
It was that hopey changy stuff
Hello again,He didn't EARN it at all. It was BESTOWED upon him. Plus, it came with $1.4 million. What?? He should give it back??Quote:
He did not earn the peace prize for Iraq.
Excon
If it weren't for the right wing noise machine being constantly on, and obstruction over everything, no telling what we might accomplish. I mean come on guys, what would any one do with a dog that barks at everything, all the time? All day, and all night?
The muzzle industry would make a fortune off you wingers. And there would be peace through out the land. Well it would be quiet any way.
Yep... he should give it back... because there were other people who were actually deserving of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Which just goes to show the absurdity the Nobels have become. The prizes are to be given to "those who, during the preceding year, shall have conferred the greatest benefit to mankind."Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
How exactly did Obama confer the greatest benefit to mankind prior to having the award bestowed upon him? That was a sham.
He gave them hope. That's not a small thing, but why expect the right to get it since your whole MO is squeal.
You express your fears very well, but you don't seem very hopeful about anything.
I was hopeful America wouldn't fall for an amateur empty suit. I'm hopeful they won't fall for Hillary. Fortunately my hope is NOT in government.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Hope can have great power, but what he promised also gives many of us chills and some of us were not so stupid as to fall for all the over the top hype coming from his adoring followers. Hope doesn't fill stomachs or create jobs, and he has certainly not fulfilled his role as the great peacemaker and deliverer. You don't bestow an award designated for those who "conferred the greatest benefit to mankind" based on potential. The whole idea of that is contradictory.
I think he won the US election didn't he, no small feat for someone from the back blocks of Chicago who possessed certain political disabilities. He became the black hope. And yes it proved to be a sham as he was just as tainted by the machine as any other politicianQuote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
He was never part of Chicago politics.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
I wasn't referring to the local machine although I understand it is formidable but how did he go from social worker to senator? You think he didn't have the kiss of approval?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Nope. Not from anything or anyone Chicago.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Lol Valerie Jarrett, David Axelrod, Rahm Emanuel, and Michelle are all products of the Daley machine... but the emperor wasn't? Axelrod was the chief consultant to Mayor Richard M. Daley (who for a time served as the White House chief of staff ), and Jarrett, the mayor's deputy chief of staff. He bought the whole crew with him to the WH . But he wasn't a part of it. Now Rham Emanuel is Mayor .But somehow the emperor ,who surrounded himself with machine apparatchiks was not a part of the "Chicago Way " .
Nope!Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Of course he did .Michelle's old man worked at the ward level .The emperor rode in on her petticoat tails . She was a Daley advisor and Assistant Planning Commissioner.Secretary of Education Arne Duncan .The emperor's Secretary of Education Arne Duncan came out of the Daley machine too.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
So how did the emperor get in ? Because he wasn't from the town.
When Obama worked at Sidley and Austin law firm in Chicago, as a civil rights lawyer and teacher of constitutional law, he was assigned a personal mentor... Michelle Robinson. Her father, Fraser Robinson, was a city water worker and precinct captain ,a long time Daley operative. They married ,and the emperor had his foot in the door .
Naw. You are connecting all the wrong dots.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Come on here are the dots... Fraser Robinson begat Michelle... who was hired by Valerie Jarrett to work at City Hall when she was deputy chief of staff to Richard M Daley. Michelle is assigned to be mentor to the young emperor in training . They strike up a Jarrett chaperoned romance and get married . His political career takes off. The same cadre of Daley gumbas (including Daley eventually) from Chi town follow him to the White House and Jarrett still is often the deciding voice in policy . You will recall that Jarrett was once co-chair of the committee to bring the Olympics to Chicago. So what does the emperor do in the first days of his term ? He makes a trip to make a personal appeal to bring the games to the town of his patron.
Wrong dots.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Samantha Power is proclaiming victory at the UN... and so is Syria.
Syrian lawmaker: Draft UN resolution is slam to US, shows it failed to impose military action
Yep, I think he's right.
Dude, once you say to the outlaw drop your gun at gun point, then you aren't supposed to shoot. You're from Texas and don't know that?
The reply to Power is correct .The UNSC affixes no blame to Syria for the use of CW. The resolution doesn't blame Syria for the CW It does say that any perpetrator must be held accountable.
And if he doesn't drop it, you shoot. Obama's "smart power" failed to get that option, Russia and Syria won this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
They dropped their weapons and now are under an agreement to submit and comply to the international community. We all win this round, without a shot being fired.
Well at least I now understand how the emperor won his Nobel, It's all about potential with you guys, not actual results. I was unaware they had already given up their weapons. Tell you what, next time you play me in football you play a bunch of guys with potential and claim victory before the game and we'll see how that works.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
What is wrong with the results in this case?Quote:
not actual results
What results? He still has the CW, he is control of the CW, he does not face a military response for not complying, we have no idea if he ever will comply. Russia and Syria got what they wanted, we got egg on our face and those Syrian rebels we're supplying? A number of groups defected to AQ's side in support of an Islamic state. What exactly is it we won?Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
So since the results you want are not instant then the whole process is a failure? The UN just hammered an agreement out that the process for Assad to relinquish his CW starts next week, so is that better?
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