But we NEED your love to make ourselves complete -- The Handmaid's Tale and its dystopian society all over again!Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
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But we NEED your love to make ourselves complete -- The Handmaid's Tale and its dystopian society all over again!Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Get your focus off yourself and you will be completeQuote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Uh oh.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Humans are connected, NO man (or woman) is an island.
The point being Tal you are completed by what you do for others not what others do for you
And that has what to do with contraceptives or the insurance to pay for the doctors to prescribe them? What does that have to do with making a personal choice between career and brood mare? Or conversely between house wife and career? To work or not to work, or BOTH?
And of course your idea of being complete is equally universal for man, or woman, or whatever? Careful now as I already know you have prejudicial tendencies toward other ethnic groups.
It has everything to do with it. The point being that once a person remains focused on self then they have lost society at large. As it takes a selfless person to grow a society. Isnt that the prime directive of liberal thinking ?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
To understand it you have to live it. In todays society too many are focused on self. That is where most of the problems stem from in this country. Its a liberals paradise splitting everyone into pieces.
And giving women contraceptives and doctors splits society to pieces? Giving poor and working people mostly women and children splits society.
Poverty splits society more I think.
Yes that is stating the obvious. You want a warm fuzzy feeling, do something for someoneelse.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
I think you mistake my "tendencies" I don't suffer fools of any persuasion. What I observe is that some people or peoples have a greater tendency to foolishness. You can hang an ethnic tag on some, a religious tag on others, certainly an environmental tag on many, certain nationalities have a national perpensitity to foolishness in regard to sacred cows and we have to realise that science is not settled in any respect on anything, what we know is not the sum of all knowledge but merely a waypoint upon the journeyQuote:
Careful now as I already know you have prejudicial tendencies toward other ethnic groups.
Taking more and more from me to give to others is the antithesis of concern for others. You guys think force is more conducive to bringing us together than charity and the solution to poverty is more dependence on government. Government dependence breeds selfishness and dare I say the greed you claim to despise.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Hello again,
So, I'm watching Morning Joe, and they have Va governor, Bob McDonnell on. They ask him about his accomplishments, and he rattles off jobs, and education, and lowering taxes - but he NEVER mentions abortion... However, abortion was the FIRST thing he did.
You'd think he'd say stuff like, "we're adding jobs, and fixing our schools, and cleaning up the abortion crap in my state".. But, he didn't say ANY of that, and they didn't ASK him about any of that.
Given that abortion seems to be the PRIMARY issue confronting Republicans, you'd think they'd TALK about it. No, huh?
excon
All I know is only in the mind of a liberal does a health plan in the cart count but a baby in the "cart" doesn't.
Don't know how Repubics issues are prioritized . Mine is the uncontrolled growth of the Federal government and it's out of control habit of spending money it doesn't have.
I would have to agree with that.
Tell me again about this Republican war on women...
Martin Bashir Says Someone Should Sh*t in Sarah Palin’s Mouth | Mediaite
It doesn't get any more disgusting than that, so spare me any more of your faux war on women .
Hello again, Steve:
Here's what you miss.. Your war against women ISN'T rude individuals, like Bashir.. It's the ENTIRE party passing anti women laws...
How come stuff like this escapes you?
excon
It's a party passing laws to protect the most innocent human life, how come stuff like that escapes you? Had there been a law requiring my daughter to see a simple, non invasive image of her child she might not have made the decision she regrets the most. No one tried to protect her child or her emotional health and she is scarred for life.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Again, spare me any more of your faux war on women. I've seen yours waged up close and personal and watch you give your own a$$holes a pass.
Hello again, Steve:
Then you'd AGREE that a law REQUIRING your daughter to have a HUGE vaginal PROBE of shame stuck WAYYYYY up inside her, WOULD have been a war on her...Quote:
Had there been a law requiring my daughter to see a simple, non invasive image of her child
Of course, you would.
Excon
Let's review. I have never said I supported an invasive procedure, but again which law makes it mandatory? So, since we're on the same page there I repeat, it's a party passing laws to protect the most innocent human life. No one tried to protect my grandchild or my daughter's emotional health and she is scarred for life (though I would add she takes responsibility for the decision).Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
So again, spare me any more of your faux war on women. I've seen yours waged up close and personal and watch you give your own a$$holes a pass.
Did you hear what Cher said about Palin ?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
No, but I noticed Alec "I love gay people" Baldwin was again firing off homophobic slurs and Education Secretary Arne Duncan insulting "white suburban moms." Do tell what Cher said.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Hello again, Steve:
Your party's WAR on WOMEN doesn't need your approval. That you vehemently DENY participation in that aspect of the war, looks like you AGREE that there's a war.Quote:
I have never said I supported an invasive procedure, but again which law makes it mandatory?
Uhhhh... Which laws make it mandatory?? ALL of 'em. Here's what Wisconsin is doing.
ExconQuote:
The language of Wisconsin Senate bill is an example of how they imbed the transvaginal probe while claiming you have a choice, “An ultrasound on the pregnant woman using whichever transducer the woman chooses; provide a simultaneous oral explanation during the ultrasound including the number of unborn children and presence and location of the unborn child; display the ultrasound images so that the pregnant woman may view them; provide a medical description of the ultrasound images including the dimensions of the unborn child and a description of any viewable external features and internal organs of the unborn child; and provide a means for the pregnant woman to visualize any fetal heartbeat, in a quality consistent with current medical practice, and a simultaneous oral explanation of the visual display of the heartbeat in a manner understandable to a layperson (ultrasound requirements).”
Hint: In order to achieve most of that with the “quality consistent with current medical practice”, a transvaginal ultrasound must be used. Oh, but they didn't SAY vaginal probe. Republicans learned after the Virginia debacle. They found a new way to mandate vaginal ultrasounds without saying it.
There is a war on women and it's waged by your side.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Yeah that's some pretty good spin there. Meanwhile, all I hear is crickets chirping when I mention the life of the child or protecting women from people like the butcher of Philadelphia.Quote:
Who doesn't want to protect women from that butcher, or care about the life of child?Quote:
the life of the child or protecting women from people like the butcher of Philadelphia
And by the way, women apparently aren't too impressed with the Obamacare "hosurance" ads. Leave it to people who think we're waging a war on women to come up with that piece of work.
Planned Parenthood. They are suing to stop Texas from enforcing regulations to protect women having abortions. SCOTUS weighed in yesterday.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Abortion Curbs in Texas Allowed by Divided U.S. Supreme Court - Businessweek
Wrong.Quote:
Planned Parenthood.
They didn't protect my daughter's emotional health or my grandchild.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
One case does not a policy make.
One case? How many millions of abortions since Roe v. Wade?
That's the choice of the women.
PP set themselves up as the guardian angel of women, they are not protecting the whole woman. They were silent during Gosnell's reign of terror and in fact enabled him. They were not on the front lines ensuring that never happens again, they were covering their a$$es. And now they are fighting regulations that would prevent just such another atrocity. They don't get a pass and it does not just boil down to"choice." Lives are at stake.
Doesn't matter how many abortions have been performed if they were legal abortions. Women have a right to them. Of course you may not agree but it's their choice. Women want that choice and well to do females exercise it with no problem.
Its just the lower incomes that are adversely affected, made worse in Texas by not expanding Medicaid. So such selective control over reproductive health care actually takes choice and options from already cash strapped females.
What's bogus is the admitting privilege requirement that hospitals only give to doctors that actually admit patience as rarely does an abortion lend itself to a hospital visit, and the cost to hospitals isn't worth it since they bring no new customers to offset the costs of those rare visits. But you knew that and closing PP, and other clinics was the plan since Perry's sister is has her own clinics she is a part of to take up the slack. I know you said that was debunked, but offered no link to it.
I am sorry for your daughter, but she is exactly the demographic most affected by failing to expand Medicare, single with no kids, and little or no income. It's state governments not the feds you should direct your anger and outrage to, and in Texas the county hospitals which run their own health care.
Think about it, one in four uninsured people just in Texas. To poor to buy,and not poor enough to qualify for help. UNNACCEPTABLE!! Makes no sense to make the good pay for what the bad have done no matter how the intentions. The locals dropped the ball in PA, but what's the excuse right here in our state? How does that help the females who have more needs than an abortion, but no insurance and no money?
Premise fail.Quote:
PP set themselves up as the guardian angel of women
Dude, I should know better than to get in an argument with an unarmed man.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
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Planned Parenthood is the nation’s leading sexual and reproductive health care provider and advocate.
For nearly 100 years, we’ve worked to improve women’s health and safety,
General Health Care
Yeah makes sense to shut it down because 3% of its business is abortions. That's blind ideology.Quote:
Planned Parenthood health centers around the country offer you the health care you need. Our caring and knowledgeable staff provide a wide range of services. Many health centers provide general health care.
It DOES matter and is relevant to NK's argument, "One case does not a policy make."Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
"Roughly 50 million legal induced abortions have been performed in the United States" since 1973. He apparently thinks my daughter is the only one thrown under the bus and scarred for life.
In light of the Obamacare promises to lower our healthcare costs I think you should spare us the cost argument.Quote:
Its just the lower incomes that are adversely affected, made worse in Texas by not expanding Medicaid. So such selective control over reproductive health care actually takes choice and options from already cash strapped females.
The charge is the bill was designed to help his sister profit, which is pathetically stupid. She is a partner in a surgical group, and most surgical groups are not geared toward abortion - particularly those steered to her by a bill you guys call a TRAP law.Quote:
What's bogus is the admitting privilege requirement that hospitals only give to doctors that actually admit patience as rarely does an abortion lend itself to a hospital visit, and the cost to hospitals isn't worth it since they bring no new customers to offset the costs of those rare visits. But you knew that and closing PP, and other clinics was the plan since Perry's sister is has her own clinics she is a part of to take up the slack. I know you said that was debunked, but offered no link to it.
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Perry’s sister an advocate for surgical centers - Texas Politics
One of the controversial tenets of the abortion restriction bill would require all abortions to be performed in ambulatory surgical centers, which are a distinct type of healthcare facility set up for outpatient surgeries. Abortion rights advocates say the new requirement would force many clinics to close because they wouldn’t be able to afford to upgrade their facilities. They also say the upgrades are unnecessary and that no data shows current clinics aren’t properly equipped to provide good care.
If the bill passes, only five Texas abortion clinics would remain open — those that are already equipped as ambulatory surgical centers, advocates say. But a question remains: would the 420 other ambulatory surgical centers that exist in Texas begin performing the operation? Abortion rights advocates predict that the demand for the procedure won’t disappear with passage of the law.
One company that will be faced with that decision is United Surgical Partners International, based in Addison, TX. Their vice-president of government affairs is Milla Perry Jones, Gov. Rick Perry’s sister. She is also on the board of the Texas Ambulatory Surgical Center Society. It should be noted that the legislation now under consideration by the Texas Legislature is patterned after proposals that have been adopted in other states, so it did not originate with Gov. Perry’s office. Rich Parsons, a Perry spokesman said he could not say whether Perry has discussed the legislation with his sister, but said, “he strongly supports protecting women’s health by raising the standard of care they receive at abortion clinics.”
Spare me, PP has no regard for women, children or the law.Quote:
I am sorry for your daughter, but she is exactly the demographic most affected by failing to expand Medicare, single with no kids, and little or no income. It's state governments not the feds you should direct your anger and outrage to, and in Texas the county hospitals which run their own health care.
Dude, you really don't want to argue about PP and ideology do you?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
I don't see where it says that they are "the guardian angel of women".Quote:
Planned Parenthood is the nation’s leading sexual and reproductive health care provider and advocate.
For nearly 100 years, we’ve worked to improve women’s health and safety,
In the same vein that hospitals have misfortunes as well. Do you want to close them all down too?
Hello again, Steve:
Nahhhh... You're perfectly willing to throw a poor pregnant single girl under the bus and SCAR her for life...Quote:
my daughter is the only one thrown under the bus and scarred for life.
There are NO winners in the abortion debate, your crocodile tears notwithstanding...
excon
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