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Tal, it wasn't true the first time and it gets no closer to being the truth the more you repeat it.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Perhaps if the emperor would stop giving away multiple cell phones and billions to his cronies for cars no one wants, windmills to kill more endangered birds with impunity and a multitude of other failed green companies perhaps those who actually need those food stamps can be taken care of properly.
Nice embellishing to obscure the facts and effects of your own bully agenda, blame not giving the poor a proper safety net on Obama when you know good and well whether Obama was there or not you wouldn't be squealing and repealing the rights of others.
You take doing the right thing further right, ergo extremism, you bully.
The poor already had a safety net before Owebama, its called Medicaid, welfare (for those too lazy to work), food stamps and a number of other free handouts.
That's just it, I don't do any such thing. I believe the free market, private charities, removing the government stranglehold of regulations and wasteful spending, personal responsibility, etc. go much further in reducing poverty and restoring dignity and pride than regulating every aspect of our lives (except abortion) and making people dependent on government.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Telling people they didn't build that, they're to dumb to know what's best for them and they can't make it on their own without their band of elite, benevolent Democrat benefactors that look down their nose on them and only care about their vote is bullying. I want to get out of the way so people can succeed, you want to stand firmly in front of them and ensure they can't do squat without your hand in it. I believe in freedom, you believe in indentured servitude.
P.S. A note from the loathsome nanny state mayor of NYC.
It's not conservative policies forcing Chicago to leave children without teachers.Quote:
Chicago, he reminded, just sent pink slips to 2,100 teachers and school workers to help defray the costs of pensions.
Mayor Michael Bloomberg: NYC may be the next Detroit
So the fact that Lerner is probably the subject of an FBI investigation doesn't excite you either .BTW DOJ criminal investigations are confidential .So how would Issa get the information you think he should get ? And don't give me that immunity bs. That won't go anywhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
An IRS agent told the House Ways And Means Committee that the IRS still targets Tea Party groups and that no revisions to the guidelines have been made.
Below is the Ways & Means Committee transcript of the IRS official.
IRS agent: Tax agency is still targeting Tea Party groups | WashingtonExaminer.comQuote:
Committee: Today, currently, how do you analyze advocacy cases. If, for example, Tea Party of Arkansas came in today, how would you handle it?
IRS agent: Well, the BOLO list doesn't exist anymore.
Committee: Sure.
IRS: If a political advocacy case came in today, I would give it -- or talk about it to my manager because right now we really don't have any direction or we haven't had any for the last month and a half.
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Committee: If you saw -- I am asking this currently, if today if a Tea Party case, a group -- a case from a Tea Party group came in to your desk, you reviewed the file and there was no evidence of political activity, would you potentially approve that case? Is that something you would do?
IRS agent: At this point I would send it to secondary screening, political advocacy.
Committee: So you would treat a Tea Party group as a political advocacy case even if there was no evidence of political activity on the application. Is that right?
IRS agent: Based on my current manager's direction, uh-huh.
The answer to your question is in the article you posted. Apparently the agency has not received any new guidelines when it comes to judging the status of tax groups.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
"The wheels of the gods grind slowly, but they grind small"
What guidelines would be fair? The laws are different for what ever category you apply for and so far most initial application by grass roots groups are done without a lawyer to guide or advise them. If the interpretation of the law and guidelines are unclear and ambiguous, then what would you expect from the process seeing every group and their mama is trying to get an exemption for their activities AND hide where the money comes from.
Tal it's been more than well documented that specifically Tea Party and Christian groups were targeted ;received unfair scrutiny and had their applications denied or delayed indefinitely . It does not impress me that some liberal groups were also screened before they were approved. Show me the one that was put through the ringer like countless TP groups were .
Karl Rove didn't have a problem. I can't help it if you guys can't fill out a form. Nor be investigated on the most basic level. Or get a legal adviser before you apply. At some point you will have to face the fact of self created delays like we all did back in the day.
Its like shutting down the government thinking that's a good way to defund Obama Care. Lack of knowledge on procedural rules will bite you. The fervor of conservative principles clearly belies the constraint of the constitution you holler about.
Grassroots built on ideology still needs legal guidance. Gee Tom even government needs legal counsel, and sometimes it's inadequate.
Unbelievable.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Hello again, Steve:
Yawwwn... Yeah... The IRS sucks. Obama needs to replace the whole shooting match.Quote:
Unbelievable
But, a scandal, it's NOT.
Excon
It's a scandal by their own ADMISSION, what do you not understand about that?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
At least you don't blow it off as being the victim's fault like Tal does, which is what's unbelievable.
If you look deeper into your admission crap you would find the delays were for clarification on how to evaluate TParty (and a few hundred others) applications as there is no way investigate them. What's not been reported enough was that searching for their activities through a very reasonable on line search that everybody gets was the only investigative procedure they had for anyone.
I mean how would you verify what kind of group you were dealing with? How would know if they would qualify for exemption status and what status that would be given the various categories.
Tell me Mr. Victim, what you suggest that's better than Google to see if you are legit, or scam? Hell you can't even tell who is an honest citizen from a mass murderer until he shoots up a school. Its okay to stop and frisk the brothers but don't look to hard at a TParty application for exemption. Now releasing private information to ProPublica, THAT'S against the law.
Playing victim is par for the course with you conservatives when you get called on to explain yourself. And it's bogus, no matter how loud you holler.
Sorry I just don't believe all the conservatives facts, they seldom tell the whole truth or serve anyone but another true believer conservative.
But I bet it would be a scandal if they were going after liberal organisations. In fact they would consider it a scandal of epic porportions.
Naw, we liberals are use to being investigated and have lawyers to help fill out the forms. We are use to you wingers crying foul over everything too. And blaming everybody but yourself because of course you are always a victim.
Dude, stop the denial and projection. Facts are not partisan and it all leads back to the IRS' admission of wrongdoing.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
You libs are the only people I know that can take an admission of guilt and deny anything happened. And is still happening as tom showed.Quote:
WASHINGTON (AP) — The Internal Revenue Service inappropriately flagged conservative political groups for additional reviews during the 2012 election to see if they were violating their tax-exempt status, a top IRS official said Friday.
Organizations were singled out because they included the words "tea party" or "patriot" in their applications for tax-exempt status, said Lois Lerner, who heads the IRS division that oversees tax-exempt groups.
In some cases, groups were asked for their list of donors, which violates IRS policy in most cases, she said.
"That was wrong. That was absolutely incorrect, it was insensitive and it was inappropriate. That's not how we go about selecting cases for further review," Lerner said at a conference sponsored by the American Bar Association.
"The IRS would like to apologize for that," she added.
The facts also show she even lied in her admission of wrongdoing.
LIE!Quote:
Lerner said the practice was initiated by low-level workers in Cincinnati and was not motivated by political bias.
LIE!Quote:
After her talk, she told The AP that no high level IRS officials knew about the practice.
Tal, try eating the beef, not what comes out of the cow's a$$.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Hello again, Steve:
You right wingers are the only people I know who can take a persons WORD that the IRS is guilty of wrongdoing, LINK it to the president, and then call that person a LIAR.Quote:
You libs are the only people I know that can take an admission of guilt and deny anything happened.
The facts also show she even lied in her admission of wrongdoing.
Makes NO sense to me.
Excon
Your opinions are noted along with your rhetoric. But you guys don't holler scandal when your own party leaders say they are using voter ID to elect republicans. You holler INTEGRITY.
I ain't eating your crap either.
The President is the man in charge... that makes him the man responsible... you guys on the left kept whining Bush... Bush Bush... or Regan... Regan Regan... well according to YOUR rules... NOW its Obama.. Obama... Obama. Deal with it YOUR guy is in charge and its all HIS responsibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
You keep saying that but I don't recall having ever linked it to Obama. Stick to reality.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
I don't know how it doesn't make sense to you, here are the lies again:Quote:
and then call that person a LIAR.
Makes NO sense to me.
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Lerner said the practice was initiated by low-level workers in Cincinnati and was not motivated by political bias.
We knew these were lies early on, and then came the testimony of one IRS lawyer Carter Hull who confirmed they were taking orders from Washington, not Cincinnati, and pointed the finger at IRS chief counsel William Wilkins, who is “one of the only two Obama political appointees in the IRS.”Quote:
After her talk, she told The AP that no high level IRS officials knew about the practice.
So you still clinging to the already discredited lie it was just schmucks in Cincinnati and no high level officials knew about it? You're losing this argument, ex and your credibility with it.
Hello again, Steve:
I don't know why you always want me to spell things out... What made NO sense, and still doesn't, is that you BELIEVE her when she says the IRS did something bad, and you don't the rest of the time...
excon
Good thing we had Clinton between the two Bush's or we really would have been in trouble. Now your mad because Obama can't clean up the second Bush's mess fast enough because you guys hid the mop and the bucket, and holler its all his fault.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
And steadily making more messes, and too cheap to buy a new mop. Stop hollering victim, and grab a mop. Boy, you guys are lazier than poor people!
Get over it... MORE people had jobs the day Bush left office than have jobs right now... or at any point since he first got elected.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
BUSH did a far better job than Owebama has on everything.
Obama hasn't done much of anything right... he's screwed up almost everythiing he has touched... and his only real accomplishment he has Bush to thank for making possible... because the programs BUSH put into place Obama bellyached and whined about as a Senator... were what made it possible in the first place.
Obama acts like a immature little punk that isn't getting his way... and is throwing a perpetual temper tantrum.
I can tell from the other side of the computer you ain't saying that with a straight face. If you weren't so far right and had some skills those rocks would reach.
Quite hollering and grab a mop. No more excuses.
Obama has been screwing things up for 4 years and 8 months... nothing is better now than it was the day he took office...Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
And the Millions of unemployed and the underemployed back me up on that. Because they had jobs when Bush was in office.
Apparently Obama's "phony scandals" aren't phony to Americans.
That's across the board, well beyond the margin of error - American voters aren't buying the "phony" narrative. We deserve answers!Quote:
Benghazi. Snooping on reporters. The IRS and NSA. The White House dismisses them as phony and fake scandals. Americans do not.
A Fox News national poll released Thursday finds that 78 percent of voters think the questions over the administration’s handling of the terrorist attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi should be taken seriously. Just 17 percent call it a phony scandal.
The attack, on the anniversary of September 11, killed four Americans -- including the U.S. ambassador.
Meanwhile, 69 percent of voters say the National Security Agency’s electronic surveillance of everyday Americans is serious, while 26 percent call that a fake scandal.
By a margin of 59-31 percent, voters are also more likely to view the seizure of reporters’ phone records by the Justice Department as serious rather than phony.
And while the White House sees a Congressional investigation of the IRS targeting of conservative groups as a “distraction,” 59 percent of voters take it seriously. Some 33 percent agree with the administration that it’s fake.
In each of the four situations, voters across the partisan spectrum -- Republicans, independents and Democrats -- are more likely to say the situation should be taken seriously.
Democrats are most inclined to agree with the White House on the IRS scandal: 49 percent say it’s serious, while 42 percent call it a phony scandal.
Fully 70 percent of Democrats think the administration’s handling of Benghazi is a serious matter.
Overall, a 62-percent majority of voters believes the White House is trying to cover-up what happened in Benghazi, while 27 percent say the administration is being open and transparent. These views are mostly unchanged from May.
Nearly 9 in 10 Republicans (88 percent), two-thirds of independents (67 percent) and a third of Democrats (34 percent) think the administration is hiding something on Benghazi.
Read more: Fox News Poll: Phony scandals? Not to voters | Fox News
All of 1,007 registered voters with a margin of sampling error of ± 3 percentage points.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Yes I checked that ma'am. It's so beyond the margin of error it's a slam dunk that America is taking it seriously and not buying the "phony" meme.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
78-13 on Benghazi including 70% of Dems
69-26 on NSA snooping
59-31 on seizing reporters phone records
59-33 on the IRS scandal with a near majority of Dems, 49-42
62-27 think the Admin is covering up Benghazi
Those are some serious numbers, all well beyond the margin of error.
And what were the questions asked? And how were they phrased?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Follow the link.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
They had said some of them won't be released until after 6 p.m. It's later than that now, so will look.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
The survey was there when I posted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Dr Ben Carson disclosed this week that he was recently the subject of an IRS audit. Prior to making an address critical of the emperor's policies while the emperor was in attendance ,the IRS never found the need to audit his returns . But somehow his name was picked out of the hat almost immediately after his address at the 61st Annual National Prayer Breakfast.. Carson said;
“I guess it could be a coincidence, but I never had been audited before and never really had any encounters with the IRS,” ..... “But it certainly would make one suspicious because we know now the IRS has been used for political purposes and therefore actions like this come under suspicion.”
Yeah I'm sure it's just one of those coincidences.
Don't you know that the state will use whatever tools it has at its disposal to stifle dissent?
What better way of shutting someone up than having them bogged down in a tax audit, or for that matter erecting barriers where there were no barriers before. Has it dawned upon you yet that you are in a police state
And what better way of controlling everyone by linking their heath care information with an agency like the IRS !
I don't understand your concern we have had these integrated links for years and it hasn't undermined our democracy, I carry a Medicarecard which entitles me to healthcare and this is linked to my tax file number and required details are downloaded into my electronic tax return as are the details of my Social Security income and Social Security Number, Bank Interest, share dividends, Health insurance payments. The ATO has my bank detail and refunds are automatically deposited. I'm waiting for the time when I don't have to lodge a tax return because the level of complexity is such it would take a long time to assemble the information for a tax return if this wasn't available
Have you read the accounts on this OP ? My concern should be self evident .
You live in a society that is full of fear, thus your present dilemna. Our society operates on a different dynamic. Trust didn't come easy, but we do know you have nothing to fear but fear itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
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