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The question was which ones are legit?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Obamacare is coming, and so are the con artists
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"There are fake exchanges already up and running on the Internet," said Monica Lindeen, Montana's Commissioner of Securities and Insurance. "If you do a search and type in 'exchange,' you'll find all sorts of websites that claim to be in the exchange when they are not."
And it was always so in the marketplace.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
For years though the idea was to open up the insurance market for out of state competition. Don't know if that's good or bad because I doubt big companies allow smaller ones to take their dollars from them.
Hello again,
IF Obamacare is SUCH a disaster, why not let it get implemented? It'll FAIL, and then it'll be easy to repeal?
excon
I'm sure that's your approach to business, right? Maybe you can take that approach in fantasy football.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Hello again, Steve:
Actually, it IS.Quote:
I'm sure that's your approach to business, right?
I've been told a zillion times that MY business ideas are CRAZY and would NEVER work. In response, I've said if they're so bad, let the market decide.
And, it did.
Excon
And you can always change course without resistance. Put what you know is a bad football team out there and let's see how it works. Please.
We had the same argument over Social Security, and Medicare, and both have become popular bedrocks of our society, even among the TParty.
The problem is going to come in when you try to regulate what is going on with a given insurance company. As it is now the States have been controlling them from within the States. If / when sales from outside insurance companies come to market the States may have no way of controlling the quality of payment to subscribers.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
That of course is the plan ;implement it and it will put the final nail into private health care system ;opening the door for the single payer system the left truly wants. The Dems don't even try to hide the fact that that is the goal.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
No we don't, everybody knows that's the goal but you are wrong about the role that private insurance companies will play.
Canadian Health Care: Private Health Insurance
I guess you don't want anyone to know that most countries with single payer also have private insurance providers.
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Originally Posted by talaniman
We have something similar. Government and private institutions provide for health care. We also have a PBS. Most prescription medication is heavily subsidized. But not over the counter medication.
Private and employer based insurance has been going up for decades here Tut, and I am sure costs are going up still in places that have single/private payer.
I can't think of one damn thing that hasn't gone up, and keeps going up. NOT one damn thing. Even the cost of discount toilet paper is too damn high!!
Ain't that the truth. Here as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
That's accommodations for the greedy... right ?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
No just a balanced and fair for the most part. OPTIONS.
I won't even bother with how UPS is cutting coverage for employee spouses, the school district that just made all it's substitute teachers part-timers or anything like that, just a note that unions are still not happy with Obamacare, especially in Dingy Harry Reid's state. They seem to be upset about that oft-quoted promise of if you like it you can keep it being broken...
OK, carry on.Quote:
"We want to hold the president to his word that you can keep the plan you like," Taylor added.
It will never be the emperor's fault.. UPS is just being greedy don'tcha know ?
Forever 21... just comverted or are in the process of.. converting every full time job into a 29.5 hour part time job. Because they can't afford mandated health care.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Democrats would be harping about how many new jobs were created... while ignoring the fact they used to be full time jobs.
UPS has seen rising costs any way for many years, everyone has, so now they have an excuse to screw the workers. Guess you haven't noticed workers across the nation are mobilizing, and citizens are angry, and mobilizing, against their state legislatures.
If the pizza guys can figure it out, and Olive Garden, surely UPS can too. I know you guys want to fight somebody, but you better pick your fights carefully. The earth is round and what goes around comes back around. I mean Squeal and Repeal I great, but what do you replace it with? >waiting for the crickets to chirp, or the squeal to get louder.<
At least acknowledge the price of everything has been going up before Obama came along.
The Soviet union fell because you can't give everyone elverything... only fools would go to school to be doctors or scientists if they are going to be paid the same as the guy pushing a broom and picking his nose.
And nobody can run a business at a loss for long... it makes more sense just to shut it down and send everyone home.
Do you seriously think dunking fries in grease is a $15 an hour job?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
And before that as well.Now acknowledge the disastrous consequences of Obamacare and the broken promises. I mean Geez, the guy backing away from Obamacare the most is Obama.Quote:
At least acknowledge the price of everything has been going up before Obama came along.
You have no proof that business will operate at a loss, no one has said that. They have said it will hurt the bottom line, and that's the rub since they haven't said how much. Like the pizza guy wanted 7 cents more for his pie. Or the hamburger guy who can't buy 5 more franchises to go with 8 he has already.
So while you holler about what if's some actual numbers would be more accurate. But progressives are use to righty's hollering about being broke while raking in millions. And that's whose hollering.
Really... you have no proof a business running on slim margines can afford to pay its employees twice as much.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
I'd like to see proof of how any business running slim margins... like most food indurtry jobs... can absorb an overnight doubling in wages... on top of Obamacare expensise...
Because you don't just have to raise the pay of the people on the bottom... but everyone abouve that to that $15 number because they worked and earned experience to be worth more... if some idiot off the street will get $15 then someone with a few years of experience should get theirs raised to... and pices have to double... and you have Jimmy Carter Era inflation all over again.
If any of those people are actually worth $15 an hour... then why doin't they go out and get a $15 hr job someplace else? Fact is they can't because they have no skills worth $15 an hour to anyone.
I didn't even get $15 an hour after graduating College with an Engineering degree... (even adjusted for inflation) so why should some high school dropout that's lucky to be able to tie their own shoes?
Hello again, Steve:
Nahhh.. Obamacare is great. It just needs a tad bit of tweaking. I've never rolled out a big business plan without having to tweak it a bit.. We do that ALL the time with legislation.Quote:
Now acknowledge the disastrous consequences of Obamacare and the broken promises.
Even still, your credibility on the issue is LONG gone. Your HUMANITY is gone too.. I don't know what's so great about going back to when a person could be denied coverage because he's already sick, or ever WAS sick. I don't know what's so great about going bankrupt because of a major illness... I don't know. Maybe you can explain it to me..
But, what I HOPE you do, is follow your lemming, I mean your Senator, Ted Cruz OFF the government shutdown cliff. It'll mean the END of radicals like him and then maybe we can get back to business..
Excon
Do you seriously think the poor guy doing it for minimum wage can support a family?Quote:
QUOTE by speechlesstx;
Do you seriously think dunking fries in grease is a $15 an hour job?
It hasn't been implemented and there is no data to say it will be a disaster. All we have is hollering, speculating, and knee jerking reaction at perceived threats to profitability. They said that when Medicare, and Social Security were enacted.Quote:
And before that as well. Now acknowledge the disastrous consequences of Obamacare and the broken promises. I mean Geez, the guy backing away from Obamacare the most is Obama.
If it is a disaster, which I doubt, I will holler too. And I hardly think he is backing away from his own plan, just giving you righties a chance to swallow on your own, since you hate stuff rammed down your throat.
Too soon to cry, bltch, and moan about failure when we haven't tried anything so far. Somebody is trying to address a problem that's been going on for decades so get with it and be thinking of ways to succeed and not just holler and do nothing.
I know you guys don't have a better idea, or if you do, where is it?
It was a simple question, Do you seriously think dunking fries in grease is a $15 an hour job?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
What is anyone doing with a family if they have no job skills to get a job to support them in the first place? They need to keep their pants on until they have a job to support a family.
Oh right... those are Democrats... thas why it matters.
I've eaten fries that were soaked in grease and nearly inedible, so, yes, if the job is done well and correctly, it would be worth it.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
What job do you think is worth $15.00 an hour?
If a fool off the street with no skills is worth $15... then I'm worth twice as much as I am too because that would devalue MY job giving them a huge raise.
And you could train a monkey to make fries most places... its simply dump frozen product in basket... put basket in hot oil... hit timer... remove fries when timer beeps. Sprinkle with salt...
I'm sure the average 4 year old could learn to do that in 5 minutes.
Can't agree. I've eaten some pretty awful (greasy) fries that were left too long in the fryer or something. There IS an art to making great fries.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Add to that crummy customer service, and he/she just lost the $15 an hour.
Take a look how the restaurants do it... especially all the fast food places... thats exactly how its done. You can actually see that station from the cash register in most of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
In a McDonald's it's virtually foolproof. Everything is timed, measured, calibrated. etc. If you can't put fries in the basket, put the basket in the fryer and take them out when the timer goes off you aren't worth $8.00 and hour let alone $15.00Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Wendy's, Burger King, and Arby's as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Does this person do anything else?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Not in the Major fast food places I've been.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Now at the smaller delies the short order cook deals with that...
Are you two guys at work hollering at us about who is worth what on the bosses time?
Some of us multitask well. I'm sitting in front of five different computers and seven different screens right now. I'm only dinking around like this on one of them. I'm dealing with work stuff on the other six.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
I'm one of only 6 people that can do what I do in this country. (There used to be more). Took me over 30 years to gain that knowledge and experience.
Multi tasking? That's a good excuse as any for goofing off on the job kicking it with your buds :) I suppose its better than playing golf, and the 3 martini business lunch excuse.
Naw, its not even close.
I do far more work than Obama does... and I don't get paid nearly as much.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
I'm not tromping around Marthas Vineyard or on the golf course... 3/4 of the time in fact I do that ZERO % of the time.
I'm sitting in front of a bucn of computer screeens monitoring and dealing with network traffic issues... which by the way... in my secotor... aren't always broken. You keep an eye on things so you can hop on them when it does... and deal with other issues as they come up.
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