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Originally Posted by talaniman

Its darn near impossible without money, lawyers.................and accountants.

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And you answered your own question. That's what happened to adoption.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

No thanks....we don't enjoy the sort of Tyranny you call everyday life.

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The tyranny I call everyday life is not to fear that some idiot will shot me or that I need to be armed to protect myself from my neighbours, I would not wish to enjoy the tyranny you call everyday life. I live in a place where the incidence of violent death is very low and one reason for this is that no one feels it necessary to resort to the gun, we have lost that frontier mentality

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Originally Posted by paraclete

the tyranny I call everyday life is not to fear that some idiot will shot me or that I need to be armed to protect myself from my neighbours, I would not wish to enjoy the tyranny you call everyday life. I live in a place where the incidence of violent death is very low and one reason for this is that noone feels it necessary to resort to the gun, we have lost that frontier mentality

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Dream on... drugs come in... so do weapons... you think the criminals can't get guns? You would be sadly mistaken.

If some armed thug breaks into your house at night... you have to throw a boomarang at them or try to beat them with a stick... I can shoot them.

I'd rather be able to shoot them... the difference is I'm allowed to have guns... the criminals never were... but that never stops them.

YOU can feel safe being the unarmed side when crime happens... I'd rather have the right to self defense... they way it is now, I feel a lot safer being the one with a gun, rather than being the unarmed victim.

And anyone with the balls to break into my house at night... gets shot, and if he keeps breathing he gets shot again until he stops... doesn't matter if they have a gun or not. That's MY constitutional right... something you don't have.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

Dream on... drugs come in... so do weapons... you think the criminals can't get guns? You would be sadly mistaken.

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Of course criminals get guns they are exported by your gun manufacturers and illegally imported here

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If some armed thug breaks into your house at night... you have to throw a boomarang at them or try to beat them with a stick... I can shoot them.

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My boomerang won't come back but I have my fighting club and most attackers here aren't armed with guns

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I'd rather be able to shoot them... the difference is I'm allowed to have guns... the criminals never were... but that never stops them.

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The difference is I can have guns just not military style weapons and the criminals know they don't need guns so few carry them

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YOU can feel safe being the unarmed side when crime happens... I'd rather have the right to self defense... they way it is now, I feel a lot safer being the one with a gun, rather than being the unarmed victim.

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I haven't seen many unarmed victims in the home, most crime happens away from the home like the idiot attacker who ran through a plate glass window yesterday

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And anyone with the balls to break into my house at night... gets shot, and if he keeps breathing he gets shot again until he stops... doesn't matter if they have a gun or not. That's MY constitutional right... something you don't have.

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I have a right of self defense, but not a right to kill someone out of hand. Thing is no one is going to break into my home because they are unlikely to think there is anything here worth the effort. You live where drugs are endemic, I don't, you live where gun crime is endemic, I don't, you live in a violent society, I don't. You think your society is better than mine, I don't and the proof is right here

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Originally Posted by paraclete

of course criminals get guns they are exported by your gun manufacturers and illegally imported here



my boomerang won't come back but I have my fighting club and most attackers here arn't armed with guns



the difference is I can have guns just not military style weapons and the criminals know they don't need guns so few carry them



I haven't seen many unarmed victims in the home, most crime happens away from the home like the idiot attacker who ran through a plate glass window yesterday



I have a right of self defense, but not a right to kill someone out of hand. Thing is noone is going to break into my home because they are unlikely to think there is anything here worth the effort. You live where drugs are endemic, I don't, you live where gun crime is endemic, I don't, you live in a violent society, I don't. You think your society is better than mine, I don't and the proof is right here

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You need to get out and travel more... because you couldn't pay me to live someplace where the only people with guns are the criminals.

And incidentally... since you anti-gun nuts can't comprehend some very simple basic facts...

A mini-14 is exactly just as deadly as an AR-15 is... because they use the same freaking ammunition.

What kind of idiots think military weapons are any more deadly or dangerous than common hunting weapons... which most times are far MORE deadly...

A Remington 7mm Magnum bolt action hunting rifle is a far more lethal weapon than MOST Military arms used in the world

Oh right... those that really don't have a clue and are misinformed.. and brainwashed by their tyranical government .

Sheeple believe their handlers when they are told... bend over... its good for you..

And incidentally... I'm not a poor person living in a poor neighborhood that looks like everyone is on welfare.

If you live where I do... you have enough money to have stuff... single family homes start at almost $500,000 and go way, way up from there into the millions. The Median income is $113,817 a year.

I can also leave my car unlocked and the radio and the car will be there in the morning.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

A Remington 7mm Magnum bolt action hunting rifle is a far more lethal weapon than MOST Military arms used in the world

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I wouldn't say that this is true at all. The specs are nearly identical to the NATO .308 round. Not sure where you think it is such a big difference.

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Originally Posted by cdad

I wouldn't say that this is true at all. The specs are nearly identical to the NATO .308 round. Not sure where you think it is such a big difference.

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7mm magnum can take a deer down a mile away... I've seen it done, and know people that did it almost every year (I'm not THAT good a shot and my rifle can't do it)... try that with a .308. Easy with a .50cal... but you don't use those for deer.

30-06 is a more powerful round... but by our Aussy friends definition... thats a military round... because the Old Springfields WW1 rifles used it as well as the M-1 Garand, never mind it being the most popular hunting round.

And there is no more effective criminal killer than a 12 gauge Shotgun of any type with a shell of bird-shot. That turns you into hamburger where it hits you.

My deer rifle is a military rifle...

A 1924 Yugoslavian M98 Mauser... 8mm straight bolt. Piss poor trajectory for long distance... but I hunt more in heavy brush where the heavier 196 grain bullet won't be deflected by twigs and branches.

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7mm magnum can take a deer down a mile away.....I've seen it done, and know people that did it almost every year (I'm not THAT good a shot and my rifle can't do it)....try that with a .308. easy with a .50cal....but you don't use those for deer.

30-06 is a more powerful round......but by our Aussy friends definition....thats a military round....because the Old Springfields WW1 rifles used it as well as the M-1 Garand, never mind it being the most popular hunting round.

And there is no more effective criminal killer than a 12 gauge Shotgun of any type with a shell of bird-shot. That turns you into hamburger where it hits you.

My deer rifle is a military rifle...

A 1924 Yugoslavian M98 Mauser....8mm straight bolt. Piss poor trajectory for long distance...but I hunt more in heavy brush where the heavier 196 grain bullet won't be deflected by twigs and branches.

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I really find it hard to believe that a 7mm magnum round can take a deer clean at almost 2000 yards. There is just not enough energy left for good penetration after 1000 yards.

7mm Rem Mag for Sniping

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Originally Posted by smoothy

You need to get out and travel more.....because you couldn't pay me to live someplace where the only people with guns are the criminals.

And incidentally...since you anti-gun nuts can;t comprehend some very simple basic facts...

A mini-14 is exactly just as deadly as an AR-15 is.....because they use the same freaking ammunition.

What kind of idiots think military weapons are any more deadly or dangerous than common hunting weapons....which most times are far MORE deadly...

A Remington 7mm Magnum bolt action hunting rifle is a far more lethal weapon than MOST Military arms used in the world

Oh right....those that really don't have a clue and are misinformed..and brainwashed by their tyranical government .

Sheeple believe their handlers when they are told...bend over...its good for you..

And incidently.....I'm not a poor person living in a poor neighborhood that looks like everyone is on welfare.

If you live where I do....you have enough money to have stuff.....single family homes start at almost $500,000 and go way, way up from there into the millions. The Median income is $113,817 a year.

I can also leave my car unlocked and the radio and the car will be there in the morning.

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I have travelled the world and never felt threatened.

I frequently leave my car unlocked and it is still there in the morning and even my garage, you don't impress me with your house prices even though my house isn't as pricy as that, it is as well appointed as any and even won an award for presentation recently. You also don't impress me with your income statistics although we don't have much white collar where I live. I don't live in a poor neighbourhood and my neighbours aren't on welfare but we are not victims of crime. I don't say that doesn't happen in some parts of the town but not here, the unruly element is too far away and too lazy to walk. You don't get the point, there are societies who live ordinary lives without a gun culture, who are not threatened by their government or other citizens. I once owned a gun, when I was young and foolish there is nothing to hunt around here so I don't need one the last time I fired a weapon I wished I hadn't

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Originally Posted by cdad

I really find it hard to believe that a 7mm magnum round can take a deer clean at almost 2000 yards. There is just not enough energy left for good penetration after 1000 yards.

7mm Rem Mag for Sniping

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I mispoke on that a bit... it was a 1,000 yards, not a mile... confirmed on distance. Ridgetop to ridgetop in north central PA. Been there.. saw it during deer season in the mid 1980's.

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Originally Posted by paraclete

I have travelled the world and never felt threatened.

I frequently leave my car unlocked and it is still there in the morning and even my garage, you don't impress me with your house prices even though my house isn't as pricy as that, it is as well appointed as any and even won an award for presentation recently. You also don't impress me with your income statistics although we don't have much white collar where I live. I don't live in a poor neighbourhood and my neighbours arn't on welfare but we are not victims of crime. I don't say that doesn't happen in some parts of the town but not here, the unruly element is too far away and too lazy to walk. you don't get the point, there are societies who live ordinary lives without a gun culture, who are not threatened by their government or other citizens. I once owned a gun, when I was young and foolish there is nothing to hunt around here so i don't need one the last time I fired a weapon I wished i hadn't

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I don't live in an area where people think nobody has anything of value... in fact I avoid those areas because of the element that lives there... and prowls there.

I think the element might be a little different here, because of the way our social welfare etc is structured there is probably less pressure, even those on welfare aren't "poor" in the real sense

The welfare element here isn't really "poor" either in a global sense...

They have stuff today only the rich had 30 years ago... and would be rich by most third world standards.

They just lack a worth ethic... and common sense.

Well that's universal

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I mispoke on that a bit....it was a 1,000 yards, not a mile.....confirmed on distance. Ridgetop to ridgetop in north central PA. Been there..saw it during deer season in the mid 1980's.

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Ok, I can believe the 1,000 yard. That makes more sense.

Democrats push bill in Congress to require gun insurance under penalty of fine

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Well that fits in perfectly with the hypocrites in Hollywood demanding gun control while going nowhere without armed guards, self-defense is only for the elite who can afford it.

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Democrats push bill in Congress to require gun insurance under penalty of fine

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Now that would be sensible, everyone who drives a car has insurance, but how do you get a criminal to insure themselves

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Now that would be sensible, everyone who drives a car has insurance, but how do you get a criminal to insure themselves

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Really... I think every teenage boy and girl of breeding age should carry baby insurance ((so the public can't be held responsible to supporting them) because far more of them knock each other up before they are 18... than gun owners ever shoot someone.

I think Liberals should have insurance policies for slander and libel... and that those laws be enforced every time they make false.. and misleading statements...

I think Newspapers and liberal news media be licensed and held criminally liable for what they report.. and if they fabricate a story... they lose their license to practice news.

Apparently a Georgia town has decided to make gun ownership manadatory on the pretense the police force is inadequate. What sort of hick operation are you guys running over there? It sounds like make your own arrangements

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apparently a Georgia town has decided to make gun ownership manadatory on the pretense the police force is inadequate. what sort of hick operation are you guys running over there? it sounds like make your own arrangements

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It isn't the first. Switzerland was the first. It isn't even the first in Georgia.

Crime Rate Plummets in Kennesaw, GA