Ask Me Help Desk - Socalized Medicine or the Liberal Health Plan

Thank you, Elliot! I'm blushing :)

I am not eligible for Medicaid as both me and my husband work, we have income and assets that prohibit our eligibility for it. I'm nowhere near old enough for Medicaid! To be honest with you, I don't know if I could get the MRI done through VA... I guess I could, I am a Veteran... but really I'd rather stay out of the government crapola. Well, I guess that says a lot in itself, huh... I'd rather go without the test or scrape up every last dime to pay for it instead of getting involved in the government system again...

The situation I'm in is that I make and own too much to get aid but too little to afford costly co-pays. Thankfully a new facility called Doctor's MRI just opened up near me and they have reasonable rates for MRI's, so I plan on going through their service as soon as I can get a referral, hopefully next week.

I truly fear that if we were to turn to a government-run system that we will lose good doctors, and that people will not be so inspired to even become doctors... and that our present standing as being at the forefront of medical advances will slip away.

It's terrible to be seen by a doctor who has lost their passion and that doesn't care or that is so restricted by costs and ridiculously low standards/guidelines of care. The military doctors literally have guidelines that dictate how they are to care for a person based on cost and time. NOT based on individual patient needs, like it should be. The military doctors all made the same pay (aside from rank differences) and they got paid on the 1st and the 15th regardless of if they cured anyone or had 10 patients die on them. They didn't have to be nice, personable or compassionate... what for? They get paid no matter what, they don't have to build a reputation or have a great track record like other doctors. That is SCARY! Who would want that?

The quality of the system will go downhill so quickly once the good Dr's leave the system and when there's not enough new Dr's coming in. How can anyone excel while stuck in a socialist system? They can't, and they don't.

Elliot, the breakdown of the uninsured population was VERY enlightening. That information needs to really be put out there. If more people knew that, I think more people would be less excited to turn over to a government system. 11 million are illegals? Yeah, sure, we should restructure our system for them... NOT... And so many have the option of insurance, but opt out. Well, maybe they should be mandated to have insurance if it's available to them.

I have no health coverage and I am not for government health care.
One reason is the horrible stories of countries that do have gov run health care.
Reason two is everybody thinks it will be free while they are wondering why their taxes are so high.
Three our government can't even handle its own financial affairs let alone trying to run how they see fit for us to use our money.

Quote:

Originally Posted by N0help4u

I have no health coverage and I am not for government health care.
One reason is the horrible stories of countries that do have gov run health care.
Reason two is everybody thinks it will be free while they are wondering why their taxes are so high.
Three our government can't even handle its own financial affairs let alone trying to run how they see fit for us to use our money.

Socialized medicine in Canada isn't free, nohelp, it used to be paid for with employee deductions but now the employer picks up the tab. It has nothing to do with our taxes.

Tick

What about all the people on welfare or unemployed here?
Our taxes will go up to pay for them.

Quote:

Originally Posted by N0help4u

What about all the people on welfare or unemployed here?
Our taxes will go up to pay for them.

You are talking about the US, right ? Yes I guess your taxes will go up.

Tick

Quote:

Originally Posted by passmeby

Thank you, Elliot!! I'm blushing :)

I am not eligible for Medicaid as both me and my husband work, we have income and assets that prohibit our eligibility for it. I'm nowhere near old enough for Medicaid!! To be honest with you, I don't know if I could get the MRI done through VA.....I guess I could, I am a Veteran.....but really I'd rather stay out of the government crapola. Well, I guess that says alot in itself, huh...I'd rather go without the test or scrape up every last dime to pay for it instead of getting involved in the government system again.....system for them.....NOT...And so many have the option of insurance, but opt out. Well, maybe they should be mandated to have insurance if it's available to them.

I thought Medicaid is based on income only and Medicare is based on age - ? Medicaid

Quote:

Originally Posted by tickle

You are talking about the US, right ? Yes I guess your taxes will go up.

tick

Pay higher taxes or pay the already high health ins. Premiums. The taxed method creates equal coverage regardless of your present job situation.

As it is now, there are too many holes. Working for employers that do NOT provide coverage because of the high cost to them, part timers not eligible, students that can't go full time but have to spread their education out (when parents have child coverage IF their over 18 child is a FULL time student) The cobra mess between jobs. What a cluster fook!
Simplify. It will be coming out of our pocket one way or the other. Make it simple!

Yeah at my work you have to pay around $150. A month toward your health insurance, From what all I have heard if America starts the health care coverage you (out of pocket or taxes) or your employer are still going to have to pay at least that amount.
What does it in for me is that I can go out right now and get a health plan on my own through High Mark or where ever at $150. A month so what benefit is the government really doing.
I don't want health coverage and I know I CAN get it when I do want it.

If I am forced to have it taken out of my pay I just might quit. 150. Out of my pay would mean I would only make $600. A month or less.
I'm not slaving away for peanuts at that rate.

Everybody seems to be Banting around a lot of numbers. Many people like NH choose to not have health care because of cost. Instead they take a chance that nothing bad will happen. Others like me, unemployed cannot afford to pay for health care out of the measly unemployment payments I receive and still eat. So I signed up for Vets. At least if I do get sick, I can get some level of medical care. There is no way a Government can survive sucking at least 20% of a countries GDP. That is where this country is going really fast. So no matter what, this debate is probably a moot point with the imminent collapse of this form of government.
BTW NH, I know Moon.

You and a few others here have said they know/miss Moon/Mooncrest.

The government can't even keep a good budget with their own finances so how do they expect to fix the health care!

A few times a day here, posters are writing in saying they have medical issues and no money for doctors appt. so ask us for diagnosis, which we can't do for obvious reasons. Its sad that you guys have such issues like this where its either eat, pay lodging or go to the doctor for medical attention.

Tick

Quote:

Originally Posted by N0help4u

you and a few others here have said they know/miss Moon/Mooncrest.

The government can't even keep a good budget with their own finances so how do they expect to fix the health care!

Moon,PA! Suburb of Pittsburgh.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tickle

A few times a day here, posters are writing in saying they have medical issues and no money for doctors appt., so ask us for diagnosis, which we can't do for obvious reasons. Its sad that you guys have such issues like this where its either eat, pay lodging or go to the doctor for medical attention.

tick

My thoughts exactly. I've never heard of so many people that were reluctant for something to be better and easier. Just don't get it.:rolleyes:

I believe we would still have the same issues and more if we go with socialized medicine.

http://www.riograndefoundation.org/n...&ArticleID=277

Quote:

Originally Posted by N0help4u

I believe we would still have the same issues and more if we go with socialized medicine.

News Archive

I re-interate. As a Canadian I don't have any problem with my healthcare system. My son had an expensive heart operation 7 years ago with all expenses paid, by one of the best cardiac speclalists in the country, Dr. Erwin Wigle, Toronto General Hospital, who received the order of Canada three years ago. I have diabetes and my care is ultra, I couldn't wish for better. I work for Canadian Red Cross, senior clients all are direct recipients of good care.

What problems would you be referring to, no help?

Tick

Your son is most likely younger. From what I understand it is older people they feel don't have as much of a chance at a quality of life.
http://s4-us2.ixquick.com/do/highlig...e0%3Dalltheweb

Quote:

Originally Posted by N0help4u

I believe we would still have the same issues and more if we go with socialized medicine.

News Archive

Why would you think that? We keep getting first hand accounts of praise. It's not like we are reading some skewed poll. These are private citizens speaking first hand.

The links I am giving are not polls they are real life stories on how people were made to wait for life threatening problems and many ended up dying before they could get care.

I have heard many stories from the people themselves besides the ones on the internet.

Quote:

Originally Posted by N0help4u

Your son is most likely younger. From what I understand it is older people they feel don't have as much of a chance at a quality of life.
Ixquick Highlighted Result Page

Yes,he was younger, but I am just telling you, I work as a PSW and Nurses Aid for the Red Cross. My clients are just those seniors who have come out of the hospital and provided after hospital care in their homes by myself and other well qualified PSWS, paid for by OHIP. They are kept out of nursing homes by us and what we do until they are able to care for themselves along with family members. If there are older individuals who are not receiving the care they deserve, then they have not sought it, or family members have not sought it for them.

Tick

So, you live in Toronto? Not at all the same as in small town, Canada. I have worked in plenty of small towns in Alberta and BC where health care is non existent. Clinics are on a one or two days a week ration because there is not enough doctors and nurses to staff them or there is simply not enough money to go around. And how about an air ambulance ride to the hospital? Nope! Too expensive. Get yourself to the hospital which in many cases can be 6 hours by car away. You work in one aspect and in one region of a very large country that takes 56% of a persons gross income just to provide minimal benefits to some. Not my type of rationing idea.