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No evidence of that Tal, you want to keep the rest of the world out of your elections, control your rabid media that broadcasts every nuance, every word Trump utters. Like it or not we have a stake in what you decide over there. Trump didn't invite anyone, they all got splinters in their bum watching from the standsQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Dude, the deed has been done, and all that's left is a trial.
I didn't think that this statement was so hard to understand.Quote:
What choice do I have with the dufus lying, cheating, and pushing the boundaries of good behavior day in and day out for the last 3 years?
Stay tuned and keep those tweezers handy.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
You still have not explained why you are not following your own rule.
They aren't my rules dude, you confuse yourself again. The senate is making the rules for the trial, not me and last I checked I have been very specific about calling out the dufus, and his sycophants as the dems present their case which is growing as we speak with even more revelations about the dufus bad behavior. You will have to refresh my memory of repubs doing stuff like that so I can properly credit them for their good works.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
This rule: "So let's not get so hung up on calling foul now, and what's fair or not, or who get's to make the rules of the road."
That's not a rule, it's the acceptance of the reality that the deed has been done so we just deal with it for what it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Finally the charges have been delivered or more accurately announced to the senate. Actuall delivery is Thursday at 2 ET. Parnas has released some rather explosive documents implicating every body and his mama in the Ukraine shakedown scheme. They even got Rudy's letter to Zelenskyi from last May. Stuff is getting really deep here folks.
I heard Moscow Mitch doesn't have the votes to just dismiss this thing fro the start.
Why don't you do that for Trump, or does that just apply to liberal dems?Quote:
That's not a rule, it's the acceptance of the reality that the deed has been done so we just deal with it for what it is.
Yep. Now if they can just come up with some evidence such as, for instance, the name of even one witness with first hand evidence of a crime.Quote:
Finally the charges have been delivered or more accurately announced to the senate. Actuall delivery is Thursday at 2 ET. Parnas has released some rather explosive documents implicating every body and his mama in the Ukraine shakedown scheme. They even got Rudy's letter to Zelenskyi from last May. Stuff is getting really deep here folks.
John BoltonQuote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I can do nothing for the dufus. I'm watching like everybody else what's going on.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Doesn't work that way. I think the evidence is overwhelming and been saying so since the Mueller Report. As it stands now we all just watch and if the words of Lev Parnas can be checked and verified the dufus might not be the only head to roll and I would love to hear what John Bolton has to say. The dems have a list ready to go and that's good enough for me.Quote:
Yep. Now if they can just come up with some evidence such as, for instance, the name of even one witness with first hand evidence of a crime.
Get your popcorn and apple fritters and kick back and enjoy the show.
Another of your phantom witnesses.Quote:
John Bolton
Now if you could just get Mueller to agree with you, you'd have the beginnings of a case.Quote:
Doesn't work that way. I think the evidence is overwhelming and been saying so since the Mueller Report.
In the meantime, China pledges to buy $200 billion Of American goods under phase one of a trade deal. And I know you are going to say that Obama is really responsible for all of this.
Seems to be proof positive that the Chinese are already convinced that Trump will win a second term.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/sergeik...g#42ae804738bb
It is entirely IRONIC that the left, who widely condemned John Bolton as a lunatic SOB for years and years, protested and contested his appointments, etc., is now holding up the same JOHN BOLTON, the same NEOCON, as the potential SAVIOR THAT WILL FINALLY "GET" TRUMP! So disingenuous of the left but we have come to expect this from the left: Remember when the darling of the left of the time, Joseph Stalin, signed "The Pact Of Steel" with Nazi Germany? Somehow the left contrived that as being a good thing, too, because they had to support their boy Uncle Joe!
We don't know what that right wing hardliner will say, but an open mind wants to hear it. The truth is the truth and has nothing to do with him saving our bacon. That's what investigations are about. Amazing how you accuse the left of such brainless conduct while you righties elect a lying cheating dufus who has been hiding his affairs, tax returns, and witnesses, and are okay with that. Now that's pretty ironic too!
Talaniman: Got nothing for Bolton.....and would have trouble believing anything he says because he is a vindictive, as you would call him, "Right Wing Loon" (stole that one from you!)….I don't see evidence of Trump lying, though....as far as his tax returns, why does that matter? What statue says he has to show his tax returns? What is the driving force behind the tax return dilemma? Trump doesn't need to steal: He's a billionaire.
There is a lot going on now with scrutinizing Nancy Pelosi and her wealth: We know what she makes but her assets are way disproportional to her acquired wealth: How did she amass such fortunes?
You could say that about anybody in government Vac, but we could always examine their tax returns to find out how they make their money if indeed we have them available. Glad you trust the dufus, but I'm a trust but verify kind of guy myself, especially when it involves someone who has lied, cheated, and stolen before. I would hate to find out the dufus makes decisions based on enriching himself, or is in hock big time to some nefarious character. You know just in the interest of transparency and confirmation of a modicum of honesty. Seems that should be required of anyone who aspires to the WH, and baffling why righties don't seem to mind he does not disclose his. Maybe we should have a law just for our own due diligence.
No secret where Pelosi makes her money and a simple google search reveals her sources.
There he goes again beggaring his neighbours, I can expect who's pocket that will come out of and it won't be the ChineseQuote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Beats more tarrifs and an escalation in tensions, but we have a ways to go before we reach pre tarrif levels. Better than nothing at this point.
The more tied to the U.S. China becomes, the more neutered they become. The ChiComs have become a quasi-capitalist society and the people yearn for more wealth and the goodies that come with it: The ChiComs don't really want to upset the apple cart too much: Expect the bastards to tone down their South China Sea excursions.
How do you tone down an island? I expect the Chinese have their bases and will continue to expand their land mass, soon the South China Sea will be the inland sea of China
Levels of what?Quote:
but we have a ways to go before we reach pre tarrif levels.
Paraclete: The "islands" are mere atolls, synthetic islands: They cannot be left unchallenged because of the Maritime limits involved....the Chinese can't have and "island" and then claim a 100 mile boundary in all direction, that would make the South China Sea a "inland sea": So expect the U.S., Japs, and others to continue to patrol and drive commerce all around these atolls in direct contest of Chinese claims.
https://www.businesslive.co.za/bd/wo...-a-trade-deal/Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
https://www.businesslive.co.za/bd/wo...eficit-tumble/Quote:
Analysts say the phase one deal will fail to adequately address these issues, focusing largely on Chinese purchases of US farm goods and IP protections related to copyright and trademark issues. It will not address industrial subsidies at all.
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The US trade gap, the shortfall between what Americans buy from abroad and what they sell in foreign markets, fell 4.7% to $52.5bn, which matched economists’ expectations but was the biggest fall since January.In September, US President Donald Trump piled even more tariffs on China, jacking up duties on more than $100bn worth of Chinese goods, likely prompting a surge in buying in the previous month to lock-in lower prices — which widened the trade gap in August.
I guess your complaint is that tariffs were not rolled back. True, but they largely remain in place because the Chicoms are still practicing unfair trade practices. In the meantime, the trade gap will narrow further due to the agreement. It is, so far, a brilliant pro-America move by the United States. China will increase purchases from the U.S. by 100 bil a year. The U.S. agreed to not implement new tariffs that were scheduled to begin soon, but as I said, kept in place many tariffs already present, and rightfully so.
Instead of linking an out of date article from November, try reading this instead.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/tr...ffs-2019-12-13
I am all for applying as big of a screw job as possible to the Chicoms: Nothing but nothing should be held back from the fight against these atheist.
Vac, I didn't say their claim is legitimate but their strategy is obvious and since they don't respect national boundaries in the region we can expect continued confrontationQuote:
Originally Posted by Vacuum7
I made no complaints, as the articles and the dufus said this phase was but a start for more talks. I also stated it was better than nothing and was progress. Both sides got something they wanted and they got a reduction of current tariffs. So far so good. Thanks for the updated article, works good when the homework is SHARED.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Fair enough. Yes, it works well when we share. Have a great evening!Quote:
I made no complaints, as the articles and the dufus said this phase was but a start for more talks. I also stated it was better than nothing and was progress. Both sides got something they wanted and they got a reduction of current tariffs. So far so good. Thanks for the updated article, works good when the homework is SHARED.
Had a great evening thanks and hope you did too. The Parnas interviews by Rachel Maddow for two nights sure makes the dufus crew look very bad. Not sure I believe everything he says, but makes for some great fact checking. The dufus for his part says he doesn't know this person that worked for/with his personal attorney Giuliani.
oh please make Parnas the star witness !!!!
You can be sure that Rachel Maddow will conduct an honest and fair interview. Yes, that was a joke.
Be careful what you wish for Tom, and I hope the dems call Moscow Mitch's bluff and go one for one with witnesses and documents. I think the Biden testimony will be better than a campaign rally against the dufus. As will Dershowitz's argument that a president can't be impeached for abuse of power.
Talaniman: Come on now, you lefties loved Dershowitz for years: NOW, that Dershowitz has WOKE UP, you hate him! Biden isn't capable of looking like or sounding like anything but a complete fool! You have to come to grips with the fact that Democrats/leftist have, AGAIN, as in the 2016 Election year, fielded a bunch of losers and are well on your way to a big spanking in November! ITS ALREADY OVER!!!
Yes it doesn't matter who the candidate isQuote:
Originally Posted by Vacuum7
So against the enormous power of right wing dufus repubs the dems should just roll over and bend the knee and let you guys do as you please? I don't think so! It won't be over until it's over, but you already knew that.
Ah tal when you are wrong you are wrong,Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
I am . That is why I am begging that if they call other witnesses at all; (which if I were the turtle I would not allow ),that that witness be Parnas .Quote:
Be careful what you wish for Tom
Forget the fact that Parnas ,the Ukrainian national with his own agenda ;the political gadfly who was hanging around Republican events , is already under numerous indictments for unrelated reasons. He entered public life by spouting the big lie .
Remember back in November when Parnas was making the ridiculous lie ,that was verifiably false ,that Devin Nunes met in Vienna withformer Ukrainian Prosecutor General Victor Shokin in December 2018 ? CNN and Fredo Cuomo ,brother of Andrew il duce Cuomo, ran with that lie . The problem is that Nunes has proved he was never in Vienna (he was in Benghazi at the time);and did not meet with Shokin. Nunes is suing CNN because they never retracted when he proved Parnas was lying .
Now we know that Parnas has been secretly working with Schiff and has concocted all types of outrageous unprovable claims involving among others ,William Barr ,Mike Pence .
What is Parnas going to prove ? That Trump had Rudy investigating Biden ? So what ! We know that already. The Biden crime family needs to be investigated and brought to justice. It certainly wasn't an impeachable crime to do so. Bring in Parnas as a witness and you are bringing in a proven multiple count indicted liar. Good luck with that .
We also know something else about Parnas and that is he and Rudy conspired to have Yanukovych removed from her post using secret money and ex congressmen to engage in a smear campaign. It worked beautifully. enabling Rudy and Parnas free access to the Ukrainians and hiding the quid pro quo the dufus has set into motion that implicates Barr and Rudy and Pompeo. He also had contacts with Nunes by text and emails that implicate him in this conspiracy also. Follow the money and the other Russian oligarch Fritas is in the middle of this mess.
Why don't we just ask them is the simple solution to this international intrigue. Repubs will stick with their story that it doesn't rise to an impeachable offense regardless and the dufus skips away scot free, any way and dems are left with public humiliation. Moscow Mitch doesn't seem to want to chance that outcome though. Wonder why?
there was no quid pro quo ...Ukraine did not investigate Biden and the aid money was delivered . Sorry that loony conspiracy theory has sailed. Everything else that happened was in the Chief Executive perusal. He can get information ;hire and fire any diplomat he chooses to do . There is no such thing as "conspiring " to have her removed .
As for the process ;the House Dems ,violating their own rules had a show trial and delivered the best case they can to the Senate. They are free to open as many impeachment hearings as they can stand ;and I'm sure that will be their strategery in Trump's second term.
Honestly, there is no "we" in knowing what you stated. In your mind you think you "know" it, but everyone else who relies on evidence understands it is merely rumor mill material.Quote:
We also know something else about Parnas and that is he and Rudy conspired to have Yanukovych removed from her post using secret money and ex congressmen to engage in a smear campaign. It worked beautifully. enabling Rudy and Parnas free access to the Ukrainians and hiding the quid pro quo the dufus has set into motion that implicates Barr and Rudy and Pompeo. He also had contacts with Nunes by text and emails that implicate him in this conspiracy also. Follow the money and the other Russian oligarch Fritas is in the middle of this mess.
Instead of ignoring and dismissing the allegations by Parnas and his accompanied documentation should we investigate? You always have a pattern of defending conservative rumors and holding it as fact while blasting whatever a liberal may do or say as a crime. Maybe we have that in common huh dude?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
PS.
The GAO report says that the dufus did indeed violate the law by withholding Ukraine funds. The Impound Act as I specified already.
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