I didn't compare them ;you did. But that was one of many sources I could've used for what I wrote.
I could've just as easily used NPR if that makes the story more legit for ya.
Consulate Attack Preplanned, Libya's President Says : NPR
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I didn't compare them ;you did. But that was one of many sources I could've used for what I wrote.
I could've just as easily used NPR if that makes the story more legit for ya.
Consulate Attack Preplanned, Libya's President Says : NPR
I don't recall having ever used the Free Beacon as gospel for anything but I'd give at least a little more credibility to an outfit that actually does journalism than one dedicated to a "progressive narrative."Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
There is no governor saying "their uninsured don't need any help", that's just one of those progressive narratives.
Speaking of progressive narratives, the WH responded to Sotomayor's injunction.
In other words, "even though we've extended all manner of exemptions and accommodations to our preferred interests to cover our own a$$es, this is all the CYA you're going to get so shut the hell up and like it."Quote:
“We defer to the Department of Justice on litigation matters, but remain confident that our final rules strike the balance of providing women with free contraceptive coverage while preventing non-profit religious employers with religious objections to contraceptive coverage from having to contract, arrange, pay, or refer for such coverage,” a White House official said. …
Or as Politico put it, the Messiah said "the Affordable Care Act contraceptive coverage regulations are fair — and they don’t really hurt the Denver-based religious organization that got a temporary New Year’s Eve reprieve from Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor."
Because as we all know they know more about remaining true to one's faith than a bunch of silly old nuns, and anyway "that damned constitution doesn't' matter anyway."
Read more: White House stands by birth-control rule - Jonathan Allen - POLITICO.com
I see they are still going with the false progressive narrative that it's "free" contraceptives.
I'm shocked.....shocked !!! (would use the sarcasm font if I could figure out how to do it)
headline ....Study: Expanding Medicaid doesn’t reduce ER trips. It increases them
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The research, published Thursday in the journal Science, showed a 40 percent increase in emergency department visits among those low-income adults in Oregon who gained Medicaid coverage in 2008 through a state lottery. This runs counter to some health-care law supporters' hope that Medicaid coverage would decrease this type of costly medical care, by making it easier for low income adults to see primary care providers
Study: Expanding Medicaid doesn't reduce ER trips. It increases them.
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....when Congress was debating the Affordable Care Act in 2009, Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius cited the high number of uninsured Americans being seen at the emergency department as a reason to pass the law“Our health care system has forced too many uninsured Americans to depend on the emergency room for the care they need,” she said in a July 2009 statement. “We cannot wait for reform that gives all Americans the high-quality, affordable care they need and helps prevent illnesses from turning into emergencies.”
That's a no brainer, doctors don't accept Medicaid as it is because it doesn't pay squat. I've already said in this regional medical Mecca there is only one doctor that will see my daughter for her rectal cancer. So people think they'll get a doctor and don't so they flood the ERs.
Is it because they are too lazy to set up an appt. or because they don't have a family physician because they can't find one that will accept them as a patient? And some specialists won't accept a patient without a referral (over and above whether or not the insurer requires a referral) and every specialist I have had to contact in my region is already booked up for at least two months and it has been that way for several years. The only reason the rest of us (with standard insurance) don't go to the ER is because our insurer will punish us. Are serious conditions being found as a result of those ER visits or follow up to those ER visits? Call your Dr's office now (or some other time when the office is closed) and the recording will most likely tell you to call 911 or got to the ER. Or call your Dr. tomorrow during business hours and they will probably tell you the same thing.
I failed to say my wife works for a billing company also, no one wants to accept Medicaid because it doesn't pay squat. It's largely an issue of limited providers who will accept it. You have to get served in the ER. My daughter has a primary care physician through district clinic but beyond her regular appointments she can only get in as a walk in on Monday and Friday, the only other option is the ER. Been living that nightmare with her for the last 3 weeks, now she's in the hospital.
Fyi, this should put to rest the "progressive narrative" that Republican Governors are a$$holes for not expanding Medicaid, but I know facts are irrelevant to progressives including the fact that expanding the program does nothing to improve health outcomes.
who's health outcomes? Got to improve someones. it is the cost he complains of
yes it was one of the biggest fictions of the progressive narrative that expanding coverage would reduce costs.
nothing the medical profession ever does reduces costs and the insurers are happy to accomodate them, they can increase premiums
one thing I'm looking for the GOP to do is pass 'The No Bailout for Insurance Companies Act of 2014' (repealing sec 1341 and 1342 of the ACA....part of the bill that had to be passed 1st before we found out what is in it ) .
will they do it ? probably not. That kicks in if there is a so called 'adverse selection' ie. the invincibles don't sign up ;but as is occurring ,a higher percentage of Medicaid eligible people sign up.40% of the new enrollees had to be young and healthy for the Obamcare math to add up.
This wasn't going to be a problem because of all the mandates that are now being eliminated piecemeal by the emperor. So sec 1341 and 1342 insured the insurance companies with a 'reinsurance fund ,and "risk corridor" provision that mandates a major taxpayer payout covering up to 80% of insurance-company losses.
We are closer to the death spiral now than anyone likes to admit . Massive increases in premiums to cover for the imbalance will force even more healthy people to opt out . That's when the bailouts come into play.
The insurance companies are willing accomplices in the Obamacare scheme and should not be spared the consequences. Let the insurance companies bail out . Then Obamcare collapses . Can't wait to see the Dems vote against a bill that ends a bail out for another fat cat industry .
ah the joys of legislature
Getting diabetes and blood pressure detected and under control and managed is not a good health outcome?Quote:
Specifically, researchers found that those who received Medicaid increased their annual health care spending by $1,172, or 35 percent more than those who did not receive Medicaid. Those with Medicaid were more likely to be screened for diabetes and use diabetes medication and to make use of other preventive care measures. The study also examined health metrics including blood pressure and cholesterol.
Ultimately, the authors concluded that, “This randomized, controlled study showed that Medicaid coverage generated no significant improvements in measured health outcomes in the first two years, but it did increase use of health services, raise rates of diabetes detection and management, lower rates of depression, and reduce financial strain.”
So, the study suggests that expanding Medicaid is one way of reducing financial pressure on low-income groups, but it's costly and does not improve their health.
Hello again,
Bummer. I was WRONG. Obamacare is WORKING. It's the LAW, and it's DOING what it's supposed to do. In 5 years, MOST of the nation will be freed from the fear of dying on the street, or going bankrupt if you get sick.
Of course, we'll be hearing about it from the right wing, EVEN as they enjoy their new benefits too.
Yaaaaaaawn.
excon
You should get out more, ex. People who thought they had insurance are getting turned away, or told they'll have to pay the full cost of treatment which is likely anyway since their deductible is 5 grand, on top of their new monthly premium. The wailing and gnashing of teeth is just beginning.
'They had no idea if my insurance was active or not!': At Virginia hospitals, Obamacare confusion reigns as frustrated patients walk out | Mail Online
They'll figure it out, they aren't stupid.
Hello again, Steve:
I didn't say it wasn't without glitches, and isn't in need of tweaking.. I said it was WORKING. I said it's the LAW of the land, NEVER to be repealed. I said it's DOING what it's supposed to do, and it IS.
It's the BIGGEST piece of progressive legislation in a GENERATION, and Obama will go down in history as the one who made it happen. THAT'S why you hate it, and that's why you'll ALWAYS hate it.
But, it's OVER. You LOST.
excon
Don't tell me why I do why I do. I hate it because I hate big government. I hate it because I LOVE freedom. I hate it because government SUCKS at most everything, and if you can't see that now you're just plain stupid. I hate it because it's making me POORER instead of SAVING me money as promised. If you think this is GOOD, you really need to look again, because THIS is a freakin' JOKE.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Yeah it's probably here to stay .Ted Cruz warned us that Jan 2014 was a hard deadline and he was right . We are consigned to fix the damage as best we can . As I stated already today . The best strategery is to repeal immediately the insurance company bailout provisions of the law that Marco Rubio warned us about a couple of months ago . Then the law will wither on the vine when no insurance providers ,and no health care providers are willing to play in the charade anymore .
flashback 1933 "prohibition is the law of the land and it's here to stay"Quote:
I said it's the LAW of the land,
Hello again, tom:
Flashforward to Romney. "Once you give 'em stuff, you'll NEVER get it away from them".
excon
yeah freebees
Hello again, tom:Quote:
yeah freebees
I could have said the SAME thing another way. However, I'm NOT sure you'll so readily agree.
Once people secure their RIGHTS, you'll NEVER take them away...
excon
Tom Toles: Political Cartoons from Tom Toles - The Washington Post
Just a cartoon (I hope).
The right to free birth control. I somehow doubt the framers could find that in the constitution.
You have case law that says you have a right to blood pressure meds? Or cholesterol drugs? Or Chemotherapy?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
it's a right until the government decides to take it away . The government decided to starve Terri Schiavo to death.
Hello again, right wing friends:
Last year, the right wing fought against IMPLEMENTING Obamacare. You LOST. In the short run, it's NOT going to be repealed. In the LONG run, it's only going to be repealed IF the Republicans control all three branches of government. That doesn't look especially promising, in my view.
Therefore, short of WAITING until and/or IF you EVER get that majority, what would you suggest to FIX Obamacare?
I think you got NOTHING.. You were ALL IN, and you LOST. Tort reform and buying insurance across state lines is TOAST!!!! It AIN'T gonna happen. I KNOW you want to get back in the game, but waiting for something that may NEVER happen is NOT the way to govern. I know you THINK it is, but you're WRONG.
Over to you, wingers.
excon
Hello again, C:Better than that, I have the 9th Amendment to the Constitution.Quote:
You have case law that says you have a right to blood pressure meds? Or cholesterol drugs? Or Chemotherapy?
excon
Still cheerleading for this 'Heritage Foundation' authored plan largely lifted from Romneycare ? .....this sell out to insurance companies ? Yeah this unfolding catastrophe the progressives foisted on the nation will require fixing .Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Your solution is single payer top down gvt. run health care industry . Mine is free market.
The free market is the entire delivery system. What you want Tom, is an unfettered free market that lets the private insurance industry kick people off and can cap benefits, and tell doctors and hospitals what the patient can, and can't have. The risk corridor clause isn't a bailout, it's a transitional adjustment period that can go either way between win and lose profit for insurance OR the government defined in a 3 year window.
It's a price control mechanism that PROTECTS both consumer, and private business interests equally. They make profits we get benefits. They make too much prices go down, too little prices go up. But of course a supply side capitalist such as yourself ONLY believes in unfettered, unregulated, private markets and the hell with the DEMAND side of the economic equation.
'unfettered' is a progressive dog whistle . Free market would reduce the influence of the insurance companies which only gained their place in our system because of government mandates in the 1st place.
The thing is that when the founders authored the 9th amendment ,they did not consider any of the so called positive rights . They were concerned with the things that government was restricted from doing . The founders would've thought it inconcievable that a right would be based on plundering the wealth of someone else in the country . That's what monarchies were good at doing ...not a nation of free people . The only way to create positive rights was by personal consent, usually contract ;or if involuntary on one parties part ,by coercionQuote:
Originally Posted by excon
The premise that the people/citizens of America have less rights to define policy and principle, and their own rights is absurd, no matter what the founders were thinking. The 9th amendment is NOT the exclusive domain of corporations or business people, even if corporation are people too.
Are you really saying that RIGHTS are applied to some, and not others? Show me that in the constitution. If we can hove a musket up a KINGS arse, we can damn sure shove one up a capitalists corporatist congress's arse too!!!
have no idea what you are talking about .If there is a thing as a positive right ,it is secured by the people through law ;within the confines of the enumerated powers . What is absurd is that the "people" have a "right " to blood pressure meds,cholesterol drugs, chemotherapy . That right is only secured under the assumption that someone has to willingly or unwillingly provide that service.
The ACA is the law, and rules of how the rights of consumers and business are applied. That why the private insurance companies are revving up a multi-million dollar ad campaign for enrolling millions of people. Government/private venture for health care.
You have failed to stop the program, and still refuse to get with the program, until the benefits you conservatives get roll your way. And they have.
yawn... you keep repeating that ..my coverage is exactly the same as last year except it costs more. Waiting for the real hammer to come when the employer mandate is enacted .
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