Ask Me Help Desk - Unaffordable Health Care Act

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Originally Posted by talaniman

Smoothy my friend, I love you, but you are either unintentionally lying, or are a loony. I find no evidence that anything you have posted is based in fact. That goes for the rest of my right wing friends also, who post here.

More over I had no problem setting up an account at the federal website and getting 60 quotes.

Well then... you are one of the very few who could... because not even the lefty Media is claiming its working. In fact even the lefty media is claiming few peope were able to register.. and of the people who were able to register, less than 1% of those were able to even get insurance. And most of them are going to find there really don't because of the wrong information that's being passed on to the insurance companies.

So Tal... who is lying here... Obama... the Lefty media... Me and almost everyone else... you you? Because not even Obama is claiming people are having no problem...

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Originally Posted by talaniman

Clete when you cannot control the changes you have to make a few adjustments, and keep thriving, and surviving..

Exactly, the world isn't as we would want it and the compromise that is politics can only produce a camel, which as you remember, is a horse designed by a committee

Hello tal:

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So Tal... who is lying here... Obama... the Lefty media... Me and almost everyone else... you you?

Arguing with smoothy is like wrestling with a pig. You end up getting covered in mud and the pig enjoys it.

excon

Was that mud? Ex

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello tal:

Arguing with smoothy is like wrestling with a pig. You end up getting covered in mud and the pig enjoys it.

excon

You guys really love your koolaid... don't you.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

Well then... you are one of the very few who could... because not even the lefty Media is claiming its working. In fact even the lefty media is claiming few peope were able to register.. and of the people who were able to register, less than 1% of those were able to even get insurance. And most of them are going to find there really don't because of the wrong information that's being passed on to the insurance companies.

So Tal... who is lying here... Obama... the Lefty media... Me and almost everyone else... you you? Because not even Obama is claiming people are having no problem...

Since I know I'm not lying, and if you believe what you are saying, (which I don't doubt at all) then you are either crazy, or don't know what your talking about. I will let YOU figure that out, but the evidence is mounting that you will soon lose the health care website as a hollering point.

Now I fully expect you to keep hollering about something else, you guys never stop, but I am use to it, and dedicated to continuing to drag your screaming, and kicking, loud right wing a$$ forward into the future. It's a labor of love and compassion, and not an easy job, but somebody has to do it.

Now excuse me while I wash some of that mud off, and let you enjoy your own slop.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

Since I know I'm not lying, and if you believe what you are saying, (which I don't doubt at all) then you are either crazy, or don't know what your talking about. I will let YOU figure that out, but the evidence is mounting that you will soon lose the health care website as a hollering point.

Now I fully expect you to keep hollering about something else, you guys never stop, but I am use to it, and dedicated to continuing to drag your screaming, and kicking, loud right wing a$$ forward into the future. It's a labor of love and compassion, and not an easy job, but somebody has to do it.

Now excuse me while I wash some of that mud off, and let you enjoy your own slop.

How about the option you haven't yet explored... that you are crazy or YOU don't know what you are talking about... because You and EX have bought the propaganda hook line and sinker... and OBAMA himself doesn't even believe its working like you both are claiming... and nobody else does either... and there has been ample proof of it...

I guess you think J_9 who unlike you both has actually gotten training and knows this better than you both combined is telling lies too?

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Originally Posted by smoothy

How about the option you haven't yet explored... that you are crazy or YOU don't know what you are talking about... because You and EX have bought the propaganda hook line and sinker... and OBAMA himself doesn't even believe its working like you both are claiming... and nobody else does either... and there has been ample proof of it...

I guess you think J_9 who unlike you both has actually gotten training and knows this better than you both combined is telling lies too?

J_9 lives in one of the states where the governor has opted out of Medicaid expansion that will help those under a certain income level be able to afford health insurance. Those in other states will pay a certain percentage and Medicaid will pay a certain percentage, depending on income.

Have you tried to get into the site, smoothy? I tried and got in just fine.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

J_9 lives in one of the states where the governor has opted out of Medicaid expansion that will help those under a certain income level be able to afford health insurance. Those in other states will pay a certain percentage and Medicaid will pay a certain percentage, depending on income.

Have you tried to get into the site, smoothy? I tried and got in just fine.

You all are aware that just getting into the site and registering is only the first part of it.

After you put all your personal info up for the hackers of the world to have access to... they will forward all the wrong information for the insurance companies to base their rates off... and since most cases so far have passed incorrect information.. people are going to find they don't have what they thought they would have.

And in most of the so-called successes the lefties have claimed... research has shown all these people did was register... then never actually applied for or got the insurance which is the second part of the process.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

Well then... you are one of the very few who could... because not even the lefty Media is claiming its working. In fact even the lefty media is claiming few peope were able to register.. and of the people who were able to register, less than 1% of those were able to even get insurance. And most of them are going to find there really don't because of the wrong information that's being passed on to the insurance companies.

So Tal... who is lying here... Obama... the Lefty media... Me and almost everyone else... you you? Because not even Obama is claiming people are having no problem...

Tal should email the White House so he can be the poster person for Obamacare . The Dem op who they use doesn't have credibility .
Daniel's Covered. You Can Be Covered Too! - YouTube
Meet Dan McNaughton . He signed up and got a great deal... at least he claims that . He has served as the webmaster of his local Democratic party, as the chairman of the Young Democrats of Lee County and as a delegate to the 2012 Democratic National Convention.
"Getting coverage this good at this price, I'm thrilled."
Indeed he should be thrilled . He got a $200 a month subsidy from taxpayers on a $270 insurance plan. But isn't he one of them young and healthy invincibles who's mandatory participation was going to pay for the geezers with medical conditions not sever enough to deny coverage to ?

Meet Debbie . She found the web site easy to use too .
Deborah's Covered. You Can Be Covered Too! - YouTube

She is self employed from a N.E. State so perhaps she does get a considerable savings because states like mine ,NY , have mucked up private insurance so badly on their own, with mandates and community rating and such ,that it's possible she was quoted a big savings . But easy to use ?
Well let's examine that claim.
Her actual time to enroll was 3 working days ;and ,in a converation with Sterling Beard of NRO ,she ”only as far as creating an account before the federal Web site stopped working.”
Enrollee Featured in Healthcare.gov Video Spent Three Days Trying to Enroll | National Review Online!
N.H. plays catch-up on 'Obamacare' | SeacoastOnline.com
Again ,if she indeed is getting better rates ,lower deductables ,better coverage ,then who is paying for it ?

Well we KNOW who pays when people get sick and use the emergency room instead of making a doctors appointment.

For many years and decades all we have heard from republicans is personal responsibility. Now they have flip flopped and abandoned the personal responsibility and ask who pays. Simple answer, responsible people pay for the not so responsible.

And it won't be the kids who's participation the regime claims is crucial to control a death spiral of price increases because of the expanded coverage for everyone... That I can guarantee.. That's the big lie in this whole scam. As you see from the examples I posted .They will be subsidized . So the young irresponsible will be subsidized ,and the geezers will be subsidized
So who will pay ? The ones like us who have had health care coverage for 30 years + while denying ourselves many other extras because we knew it was important for our families.
That's socialism in a nutshell .Screw the responsible and give to the irresponsible . Take from the makers and give to the takers. Until you run out of other people's money.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

So who will pay ? The ones like us who have had health care coverage for 30 years + while denying ourselves many other extras because we knew it was important for our families.
That's socialism in a nutshell .Screw the responsible and give to the irresponsible . Take from the makers and give to the takers. Until you run out of other people's money.

Absolutely, libs need to find another way to assuage their guilt than screw responsible people.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

And it won't be the kids who's participation the regime claims is crucial to control a death spiral of price increases because of the expanded coverage for everyone... That I can guarantee.. That's the big lie in this whole scam. As you see from the examples I posted .They will be subsidized . So the young irresponsible will be subsidized ,and the geezers will be subsidized
So who will pay ? The ones like us who have had health care coverage for 30 years + while denying ourselves many other extras because we knew it was important for our families.
That's socialism in a nutshell .Screw the responsible and give to the irresponsible . Take from the makers and give to the takers. Until you run out of other people's money.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Absolutely, libs need to find another way to assuage their guilt than screw responsible people.

I love it when you wingers rail on the solutions others propose when you have no ideas of your own. At least you have dropped the hypocrisy of replace, and are honest about just destroy and go back to the old way of increase and gouge we have suffered through.

To bad you think your abstract generalities are a solution or fix for a REAL problem. Actually the young and the poor will be subsidized until they get old and need expensive care. Obviously its cheaper and more cost effective to raise the minimum standard for every one to at least SLOW the rate of increase of costs, and that's already happening.

Why is it you wingers only know how to call names and throw rocks, and holler? That's no substitute for simple MATH. Its been proved that your claims have no basis in fact, and as the days move along people will see that for themselves, and look at you like you are crazy.

Hello again, Steve:

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Absolutely, libs need to find another way to assuage their guilt than screw responsible people.

So, the Republican plan to cover uninsured people is NONEXISTENT, huh? I think we already KNEW that.

excon

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Originally Posted by talaniman

I love it when you wingers rail on the solutions others propose when you have no ideas of your own. .

That's just another line out of the playbook, you have no intention of ever even considering our ideas.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve:
So, the Republican plan to cover uninsured people is NONEXISTENT, huh? I think we already KNEW that.

excon

See my last post.

TRY ME! Stop hollering and calling names and articulate your ideas.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

That's just another line out of the playbook, you have no intention of ever even considering our ideas.

Mitt and Paul had an alternative, they lost. It was considered and rejected.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

TRY ME! Stop hollering and calling names and articulate your ideas.

What was the last conservative idea you considered?

Hello again, Steve:

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What was the last conservative idea you considered?

I considered the right wing idea of letting people buy insurance across state lines...

But, then, I started wondering WHY some insurance companies only register in SOME states and not, say in MINE. After a bit of poking around, I found out that they COULDN'T register their product in MY state because MY state has an insurance commissioner who thinks his job is protecting the consumers of insurance, instead of protecting the purveyors of insurance...

Consequently, the policies offered in THOSE states wouldn't BE something that you, or ANYBODY should buy.

Therefore, having given GREAT consideration to a Republican idea, I soundly REJECT it, for the reasons stated.

excon

I guess your commish must be OK with the crap sandwiches being offered now.

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Adam Weldzius, a nurse practitioner, considers himself better informed than most when it comes to the inner workings of health insurance. But even he wasn’t prepared for the pocketbook hit he’ll face next year under President Barack Obama’s health care overhaul.

If the 33-year-old single father wants the same level of coverage next year as what he has now with the same insurer and the same network of doctors and hospitals, his monthly premium of 3 will more than double. If he wants to keep his monthly payments in check, the Carpentersville resident is looking at an annual deductible for himself and his 7-year-old daughter of ,700, a more than threefold increase from ,500 today.

“I believe everybody should be able to have health insurance, but at the same time, I’m being penalized. And for what?” said Weldzius, who is not offered insurance through his employer. “For someone who’s always had insurance, who’s always taken care of myself, now I have to change my plan?”

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

What was the last conservative idea you considered?

The idea of a mandate for buying health insurance first proposed by the Heritage Foundation.

How the Heritage Foundation, a Conservative Think Tank, Promoted the Individual Mandate - Forbes

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Heritage did put forward the idea of an individual mandate, though it predated HillaryCare by several years. We know this because we were there: In 1988-90, we were employed at Heritage as a public relations associate (a junior writer and editor), and we wrote at least one press release for a publication touting Heritage’s plan for comprehensive legislation to provide universal “quality, affordable health care.”

You can run from the facts and deny this conservative idea, but it has been ruled constitutional by SCOTUS, with Obama fighting for YOUR guys idea.

Got more good ideas?

https://data.healthcare.gov/dataset/...medium=twitter
Above is the pre-subsidy pricing on all the plans available on the Obamacare web site. You are not supposed to know this info until after all your personal information is recorded and confirmed according to Francis Rose of Federal News Radio
https://twitter.com/FRoseDC

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Originally Posted by talaniman

The idea of a mandate for buying health insurance first proposed by the Heritage Foundation.

How the Heritage Foundation, a Conservative Think Tank, Promoted the Individual Mandate - Forbes

You can run from the facts and deny this conservative idea, but it has been ruled constitutional by SCOTUS, with Obama fighting for YOUR guys idea.

Got more good ideas?

Yeah, get rid of liberalism. It's killing us.

Hello again, tom:

Yeah, the website's busted... What else is new?

Yaaaawn.

excon

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Originally Posted by tomder55

https://data.healthcare.gov/dataset/...medium=twitter
Above is the pre-subsidy pricing on all the plans available on the Obamacare web site. You are not supposed to know this info until after all your personal information is recorded and confirmed according to Francis Rose of Federal News Radio
https://twitter.com/FRoseDC

Healthcare,gov is now misleading us on prices.

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(CBS News) CBS News has uncovered a serious pricing problem with HealthCare.gov. It stems from the Obama administration's efforts to improve its health care website. A new online feature can dramatically underestimate the cost of insurance.

The administration announced it would provide a new "shop and browse" feature Sunday, but it's not giving consumers the real picture. In some cases, people could end up paying double of what they see on the website, CBS News' Jan Crawford reported Wednesday on "CBS This Morning."

As President Obama promises to fix HealthCare.gov, his administration is touting what it calls "improvements" in design, specifically a feature that allows you to "See Plans Now." White House press secretary Jay Carney has said, "Americans across the country can type in their zip code and shop and browse."

But CBS News has learned the new "shop and browse" feature often comes with the wrong price tags.

(Watch at left Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius' recent comments on the website's problems)
Industry analysts, such as Jonathan Wu, point to how the website lumps people only into two broad categories: "49 or under" and "50 or older."

Wu said it's "incredibly misleading for people that are trying to get a sense of what they're paying."

Prices for everyone in the 49-or-under group are based on what a 27-year-old would pay. In the 50-or-older group, prices are based on what a 50-year-old would pay.

CBS News ran the numbers for a 48-year-old in Charlotte, N.C., ineligible for subsidies. According to HealthCare.gov, she would pay 1 a month, but the actual plan on Blue Cross and Blue Shield of North Carolina's website costs 0, more than 50 percent higher. The difference: Blue Cross and Blue Shield requests your birthday before providing more accurate estimates.

The numbers for older Americans are even more striking. A 62-year-old in Charlotte looking for the same basic plan would get a price estimate on the government website of 4. The actual price is 4.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, tom:

Yeah, the website's busted... What else is new?

Yaaaawn.

excon

Thought you might be interested in price shopping the real prices.
Never mind .

Hello again, tom:

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Thought you might be interested in price shopping the real prices.
Never mind .

Nahhh.. I'll just wait till the website's fixed.

Yaaawnnnn.

excon

Have you noticed the glitches on this website (AMHD) that change dollar values to zero, and one?

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she would pay 1 a month, but the actual plan on Blue Cross and Blue Shield of North Carolina's website costs 0, more than 50 percent higher

Should we shut it down as a failure as they have had almost 9 years to fix it. Some of the links don't work, and the spell checker is annoying. Administration is working on it but its been a week, and still ain't fixed. :(

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Originally Posted by talaniman

Should we shut it down as a failure as they have had almost 9 years to fix it. Some of the links don't work, and the spell checker is annoying. Administration is working on it but its been a week, and still ain't fixed. :(

Yeah, the owner has even called in IT help, but no final fix yet. And he has posted he wants to roll out something new next year. I wonder if we will be able to handle all that -- or just be our usual patient selves?

The TParty better not find out. Patience is not their strong point. As to my post, my sarcasm font failed to engage.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

Have you noticed the glitches on this website (AMHD) that change dollar values to zero, and one?

Should we shut it down as a failure as they have had almost 9 years to fix it. Some of the links don't work, and the spell checker is annoying. Administration is working on it but its been a week, and still ain't fixed. :(

I may not like some of the changes but I can still do what I want here with no trouble. It doesn't take me 4 1/2 hours, online chat and hours on the phone with no success.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

I may not like some of the changes but I can still do what I want here with no trouble. It doesn't take me 4 1/2 hours, online chat and hours on the phone with no success.

I got onto the ACA site last night with no problem. Sounds like your computer is the problem.

It took me 25 minutes on line to navigate the system. You can try again later, or give up. Your choice.

My point is there is no quick fixes, or instant success. We muddle through and make adjustments. That's human.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, tom:
Nahhh.. I'll just wait till the website's fixed.

Yaaawnnnn.

excon

Bottom line is that it won't be fixed in time . People losing their coverage now because of Obamacare need to sign up by December 14 to be covered by insurance on Jan 1 . So a plan that was designed because apx 15 % of the population did not have coverage will most likely see a greater percentage without coverage on Jan. 1 . Good Job !

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Originally Posted by talaniman

Have you noticed the glitches on this website (AMHD) that change dollar values to zero, and one?

Should we shut it down as a failure as they have had almost 9 years to fix it. Some of the links don't work, and the spell checker is annoying. Administration is working on it but its been a week, and still ain't fixed. :(

Now that's what I call a great endorsement for Obamacare... a Q&A site with many less participants has minor glitches that don't affect the lives of the people involved as opposed to the disastrous launching of a major web site designed to fundamentally change the relationship between individuals ,their health care providers ,and the government .
You crack me up. Then you say the gang that can't shoot straight should apply that same expertise to a singles payer government control socialized plan ? Pulleeeeze !

http://www.investors.com/image/RAMcl...llllll.gif.cms

Hello again, tom:

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Bottom line is that it won't be fixed in time .

What? You don't believe in surges? I thought you LIKED surges.

Oh.. Right... That was when the OTHER guy did 'em.

excon

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

I got onto the ACA site last night with no problem. Sounds like your computer is the problem.

I personally have no need to visit the site, but I I'm also not averse to the reality that it's not fixed and won't be for some time.