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Hello again, smoothy:

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it was a brain fart John Kerry had that people heard they discounted until Putin recovered the fumble and ran into the end zone...

Let me see if I understand... Obama was going to put together an unbelievably small attack because the Syrians used Chemical weapons. UPON being threatened with this unbelievably small attack, Syria AGREES to give up its chemical weapons.

Of course, not understanding the language of diplomacy, I can understand your confusing diplomacy with a brain fart.

Nonetheless, OBAMA won, and it really sticks in your right wing craw, doesn't it?

Excon

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, smoothy:
Lemme see if I understand... Obama was gonna put together an unbelievably small attack because the Syrians used Chemical weapons.

UPON being threatened with this unbelievably small attack, Syria AGREES to give up its chemical weapons. Of course, not understanding the language of diplomacy, I can understand your confusing diplomacy with a brain fart.

Nonetheless, OBAMA won, and it really sticks in your right wing craw, doesn't it??

excon

Nobody was even talking about Syria handing over weapons until Kerry made a snarky remark... the administration immediately discounted it (and they did this on video) It wasn't until Putin grabbed it and ran with it did they even pretend they wanted to claim it at all.

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Hello again, smoothy:

Look... Only in right wing world, is a victory for Obama AND the COUNTRY, a win for the murdering commie SOB.. Oy vey!

excon

What does a photo of Dresden have to do with Obama... We'd all be speaking German if he was president back then.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, smoothy:
Lemme see if I understand... Obama was gonna put together an unbelievably small attack because the Syrians used Chemical weapons. UPON being threatened with this unbelievably small attack, Syria AGREES to give up its chemical weapons.

Of course, not understanding the language of diplomacy, I can understand your confusing diplomacy with a brain fart.

Nonetheless, OBAMA won, and it really sticks in your right wing craw, doesn't it??

excon

Like I said, Putin says he can't guarantee they'll comply, Syria is still moving CW around and inviting us to pay for the alleged disposal. Not to mention Russia is trying to show it wasn't Assad that used them. Hard to declare victory before the goal is reached. "Mission accomplished" remember?

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Originally Posted by smoothy

What does a photo of Dresden have to do with Obama.........We'd all be speaking German if he was president back then.

It's Grozny

Hello again, smoothy:

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What does a photo of Dresden

It's Chechnya. It's what your adorable murdering, commie, SOB, KGB Colonel did.

Supporting THAT guy over our president is TRAITOROUS.

Excon

I don't know about Smoothy but my distrust of Putin is clear, and that's why I'm holding back on sharing in your victory celebration.

Hello again,

Let's be clear... That we're NOT dropping bombs on them IS a victory. That they're going to give up their WMD'S IS a victory. Whether it'll work out that way, is yet to be determined.

But, make NO MISTAKE... What WAS accomplished so far is a TREMENDOUS victory. That our boots will NEVER be on the ground in Syria IS a victory... That the Syrian people will never be gassed again IS a victory.

That the right can't see it, is a shame.

excon

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again,

Let's be clear... That we're NOT dropping bombs on them IS a victory. That they're going to give up their WMD'S IS a victory. Whether it'll work out that way, is yet to be determined.

But, make NO MISTAKE... What WAS accomplished so far is a TREMENDOUS victory. That our boots will NEVER be on the ground in Syria IS a victory... That the Syrian people will never be gassed again IS a victory.

That the right can't see it, is a shame.

excon

If that's the case then woo hoo! But knowing the players involved your celebration is premature.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, smoothy:
It's Chechnya. It's what your adorable murdering, commie, SOB, KGB Colonel did.

Supporting THAT guy over our president is TRAITOROUS.

excon

I don't like or trust either one of them further than I can throw them.

Ex you are raving, this is some sort of xenophobic rant. Gunboat diplomacy is never victory. Yes Putin had a victory for once he didn't resort to violence

Hello again, clete:

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Ex you are raving,

You are not worth my time.. Don't answer my threads anymore. Don't address me. If you do, I'll come down HARD on you again.

Excon

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, clete:
You are not worth my time.. Don't answer my threads anymore. Don't address me. If you do, I'll come down HARD on you again.

excon

Who do you think you are Ex you must loose this God complex. I called you out on your ridiculous post the other day and now you have your knickers in a knot, go home child and don't come back until you grow up, By the way this happens to be my thread so pull you head in goose!

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I called you out on your rediculous post the other day

Hello a$$hole, clete:

You didn't call me out on on my post... We do that here every day... You INSULTED me.. We DON'T do that... FUK you, and FUK your thread.

excon

These are our allies in the conflict
Rebel-on-Rebel Violence Seizes Syria - WSJ.com

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello a$$hole, clete:

You didn't call me out on on my post... We do that here every day... You INSULTED me.. We DON'T do that... FUK you, and FUK your thread.

excon

Ex if you continue in this vein I will have to report you

Hello again, clete:

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ex if you continue in this vein I will have to report you

I can't believe you already didn't SNITCH on me, you piece of sh*t.

Excon

Hello again, a$$hole:

You know, a simple apology would put me back on track. But, I think you're too stupid to take the simple course... Look.. I like being a nice guy... And, I LIKE fighting a$$holes like you.

Choose your poison.

excon

I can't be bothered talking to small minded people Ex let me know when you get out of the gutter

Hello again, clete:

What makes ME a better person than you, is that when I've offended someone, I apologize.. A$$holes like you, don't.

FUK YOU! And then FUK you some more, you piece of sh*t.

excon

Hello again,

Looks like the pres has a victory in Iran, too. I'm sure you wingers will call it a failure...

Bwa, ha ha ha ha.

excon

Ex I don't apologise for telling the truth, If you are offended by the truth then you need to reflect on it

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again,

Looks like the pres has a victory in Iran, too. I'm sure you wingers will call it a failure...

Bwa, ha ha ha ha.

excon

Actually the victory is the Iranian President who didn't use belligerent talk

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again,

Looks like the pres has a victory in Iran, too. I'm sure you wingers will call it a failure...

Bwa, ha ha ha ha.

excon

I know you are not naïve . All this boils down to is a replay of the NORK playbook.

Hello again, clete:

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Ex I don't apologise for telling the truth, If you are offended by the truth then you need to reflect on it

I know you don't understand the distinction between talking about my opinions, and talking about ME. Maybe that's cause you got no upbringing... I've NEVER talked about you. I talk about your opinions.. But, I don't talk about YOU...

You talk about ME, and you tell me how dumb you think I am. I looked for the particular post where you said it, and I can't find it. I'm sure you'll deny it.. That's another character flaw.

So, I'm DONE with you, you prick!

Excon

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Actually the victory is the Iranian President who didn't use belligerant talk

They aren't talking nice because they are nice, they have to be nice because those sanction are kicking their arses.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

I know you are not naïve . All this boils down to is a replay of the NORK playbook.

Doesn't matter the games Iran, or the NORKS play does it? They still have to be dealt with one way or another. So does every other crazy SOB in the world. Naïve has nothing to do with it.

Its reality.

Tal you've become a neo-con !

victory!! The depiction of the emperor's Syrian chemical weapons “Red Line” policy as victory looked less than glowing in the light of -Assad's demands.

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President Bashar al-Assad said on Wednesday it would cost about $1 billion to get rid of Syria's chemical weapons under a plan agreed to by Russia and the United States last week.

In an interview on the Fox News television channel, Assad said his government would dispose of its chemical weapons arsenal but insisted that his forces were not responsible for a chemical weapons attack outside Damascus on August 21.

Getting rid of his chemical weapons stockpile would likely take about a year, Assad said.

"I think it is a very complicated technically and it needs a lot, a lot of money. Some estimated about a billion for the Syrian stockpile," he said.

Asked whether he would be willing to hand over chemical weapons to the U.S. government, Assad said:

"As I said, it needs a lot of money. It needs about 1 billion. It is very detrimental to the environment. If the American administration is ready to pay this money and take the responsibility of bringing toxic materials to the United States, why don't they do it?"

Assad Says Chemical Weapons Disposal Will Take A Year And $1 Billion - Business Insider
This is the same pattern that the NORKS and now Iran successfully employ . Stall, negotiate and wait for more concessions .That pattern has worked so well for the NORKs that they have moved their nuke program to detonation tests ,and their rocket program to intercontinental status. Meanwhile they are always on the verge of giving them up.
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I wonder how many al-Shabab jihadists are fighting for the FSA using American weapons ? What a mess. This is what victory looks like .

It's a messy process, but what would Tom do?

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Originally Posted by tomder55

victory !!! The depiction of the emperor's Syrian chemical weapons “Red Line” policy as victory looked less than glowing in the light of -Assad’s demands.

Assad Says Chemical Weapons Disposal Will Take A Year And $1 Billion - Business Insider
This is the same pattern that the NORKS and now Iran successfully employ . stall, negotiate and wait for more concessions .That pattern has worked so well for the NORKs that they have moved their nuke program to detonation tests ,and their rocket program to intercontinental status. Meanwhile they are always on the verge of giving them up.
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I wonder how many al-Shabab jihadists are fighting for the FSA using American weapons ? What a mess. This is what victory looks like .

Getting rid of the Syrian WMD is progress and I'm sure that no one thought it could be done without cost. Undoubtedly doing it in the middle of a war adds complications. Its fine to talk and negotiate but ultimately someone has to do the work. Who knows how Assad has costed the exercise or whether he seeks to extort money but this is what you get when you get involved. There is always a price but it is a long bow to suggest al shabab is involved in Syria, al qaeda undoubtedly

No it isn't.. they were active in Libya as mercenaries and I'm sure they are being recruited to fight Assad.
US says Kenyan recruited Islamist fighters for Syria: News-africareview.com

Former Defense Secretaries Scold Obama on Syria
Two former defense secretaries who served under President Barack Obama have leveled surprisingly harsh criticism at the administration's handling of the Syrian crisis.
Robert Gates and Leon Panetta appeared jointly at a forum at Southern Methodist University in Dallas on Tuesday, and criticized Obama for asking Congress to authorize military force in response to a chemical weapons attack the United States blames on Syrian President Bashar Assad's regime.
Gates said Obama's proposed attack was a mistake, while Panetta asserted it was a mistake not to go forward with a strike on Syria, The New York Times reported.
Gates, who served under George Bush and remained in office under Obama until July 2011, said: "My bottom line is that I believe that to blow a bunch of stuff up over a couple of days, to underscore or validate a point or a principle, is not a strategy.
"If we launch a military attack, in the eyes of a lot of people we become the villain instead of Assad."
Panetta, who replaced Gates and left office in February, said Obama should have followed through on his pledge to act if Syria used chemical weapons: "When the president of the United States draws a red line, the credibility of this country is dependent on him backing up his word."
Panetta said it was wrong to "subcontract" the decision to Congress, stating that the president "has to retain the responsibility and the authority on this issue."
Gates agreed it was wrong to seek authorization from Congress, because if Congress rebuffed him "it would weaken him. It would weaken us in the eyes of our allies, as well as our adversaries around the world."
Gates also said he is skeptical about Russian President Vladimir Putin's efforts to work out a deal with Syria to remove its chemical weapons, and about Syria's intentions to disarm.
Russia insists that rebels carried out the chemical weapons attack, which the United States says killed more than 1,400 people. But the advocacy group Human Rights Watch said on Tuesday that rocket trajectories detailed in a United Nations report suggested the poison gas shells had been fired from a base belonging to the Republican Guard, run by Assad's brother Maher.
Asked if the West should trust Putin, Gates said: "Are you kidding me?"

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Originally Posted by tomder55

no it isn't ..they were active in Libya as mercenaries and I'm sure they are being recruited to fight Assad.
US says Kenyan recruited Islamist fighters for Syria: News-africareview.com

They appear to be fairly active in Kenya

They are reporting there were Americans among the terrorists, and this is about Somalia.

Kenya terror attack: Blasts shake Nairobi mall as military tries to free hostages | Toronto Star

Westerners said to be among Kenya attackers | The Times of Israel

Doesn't surprise me.. there are a lot of Americans from the region who have "alleged " ties to various jihadist groups . This could be a precursor of things to come here . Soft targets are very vulnerable .

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They are reporting there were Americans among the terrorists, and this is about Somalia.

Yes it is, Kenyan troops are operating in Somalia and the terrorists say they will persist while ever the Kenyans fight in Somalia. This isn't about america but if they were to win they would become like the Taliban. The problem is that none of us have control of our Muslim populations. So far what they have done internally is fairly low level after 9/11 and they insist on martyring themselves

Here is the unconfirmed list of jihadists involved in the attack. The names were released by al-Shaabab :
Sayid N. from Kismayu, Somalia.

Zaki Jama C. from Hargeisa, Somalia

Saad D. from Damascus, Syria

Mohamed B. from Aleppo, Syria

Qasim Said M. Garissa, Kenya

Ismail G. from Helsinki, Finland

Ahmed Nasir S. from London, UK

Mustafa N. from Kansas City, US

Abdishakur Sheikh H. from Maine, US

Abdifatah Osman K. from Minneapolis, US

Ahmad Mohamed I. from Saint Paul, US

Abdikarem Ali M. from Illinois, US

Shafie D. from Tucson, US

Abdirazak M. from Ontario (Canada)

Eliko M. from Dagestan, Russia

Mohammed A. from Svalov, Sweden

Moulid A. from Sweden

The left out Samantha Lewthwaite, from the UK.

I would say the north american continent figures too promenently as a source of fighters in al shabab, the question now remains are these native or recent arrivals, obviously those from Sweden would fit into that category. This proves what I said long ago, Muslims represent a fifth column in western countries, it also demonstrates that al shabab will send foreign fighters on suicide missions

Hello again,

Hmmph... Doesn't seem like we're winning any hearts and minds, does it? In my view, we should do one of two things - bomb them back to the stone age, or leave them alone. Anything in between is asking for trouble.

excon