Ask Me Help Desk - War on Women 4.6

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The Roman Catholic Archdiocese for the Military Services, led by Archbishop Timothy Broglio, explained to CNSNews.com on Tuesday that there are about 900 Catholic priests serving Catholics in the military and their families at bases worldwide. These include priests who are serving on active-duty in the military, priests who are general schedule civilian government employees, and priests who are not government employees but who are on contract to the military to provide chaplain services to military personnel.

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They furloughed 50 priests and a whole bunch of other people too. Not to minimize the furlough, But how do you extend contracts for any one until the congress does its job? Its any interesting case, given the church he serviced on the base was open to other religions.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

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They furloughed 50 priests and a whole bunch of other people too. Not to minimize the furlough, But how do you extend contracts for any one until the congress does its job? Its any interesting case, given the church he serviced on the base was open to other religions.

To me it seems a matter of singling out a segment. As you are aware for a person of faith (doesnt matter which one) that has a belief and practices that faith then there is usually a benefit to that person. How they can say there is no benefit is beyond my comprehension.

I may be wrong but passing the pain of this furlough was more the goal than singling out just a few. But lets not get lost on the artificial circumstance that led to the suffering in the first place. If other religious contractors were not equally affected the same way though, that's just not fair.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

I may be wrong but passing the pain of this furlough was more the goal than singling out just a few. But lets not get lost on the artificial circumstance that led to the suffering in the first place. If other religious contractors were not equally affected the same way though, that's just not fair.

Im not finding specifics but it seems they couldn't even volunteer to do it reguardless of the shutdown. They were barred from doing so.

Several articles on the situation.

Religious Services Denied to Military Personnel Due to Gov't Shutdown; Priests Could Get Arrested for Volunteering

Military Chaplains 'Shutdown' During Government Shutdown

Enyart: Why I voted against exempting religious programs from shutdown | Navy Times | navytimes.com

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Originally Posted by cdad

Im not finding specifics but it seems they couldn't even volunteer to do it reguardless of the shutdown. They were barred from doing so.

Several articles on the situation.

Religious Services Denied to Military Personnel Due to Gov't Shutdown; Priests Could Get Arrested for Volunteering

Military Chaplains 'Shutdown' During Government Shutdown

Enyart: Why I voted against exempting religious programs from shutdown | Navy Times | navytimes.com

What does furlough mean? it means you aren't there to do the job and it was made abundantly clear in certain places people weren't wanted on site. Now you know that if people attended places of worship they would have found help and they could have got help from those who were not on furlough. What is irrational about this is, the rangers who erected barriers were considered essential but the priests weren't. That is some sort of discriminatary agenda, not necessarily anti-religious, but certainly pro-B/S

Hello again,

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Kansas: Former Attorney General Loses Law License for Anti-Abortion Actions

Certainly, the Kansas Supreme Court thinks there's a war on women. And, they IDENTIFY a perp. Who, would have ever figured this would happen in Kansas?

excon

Hello again,

Do ya think connected and powerful teens should be able to get away with rape? Read about these guys who almost did. Do ya think maybe, that because it happens in our society MORE and MORE, that it TOO could be considered a war on women?

I think it COULD be.

excon

I don't tolerate rapists.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

I don't tolerate rapists.

You don't holler when Kansas does either, just saying.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

You don't holler when Kansas does either, just saying.

Oh good grief. Is there ever a time I can stand on your side without being criticized for it? Sheesh, this is ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Oh good grief. Is there ever a time I can stand on your side without being criticized for it? Sheesh, this is ridiculous.

I like pushing your buttons, you're easy. :) :D

Hello again,

There's no war on women. Move along. Nothing to see here. Just 12,000 shiny rape kits that went untested..

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Memphis police are coming forward with a revelation that's angering thousands of victims in the city.

Police say they have more than 12,000 untested rape kits in their possession.

To test them and get rid of them, the department will have to pay more than $4.5 million. The money isn't the concern to the victims; several are worried the police weren't investigating cases and finding the closure for victims. They say crucial information that could have led to a rapists' capture sat on the police department's shelves.

I report, you decide.

excon

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again,

There's no war on women. Move along. Nothing to see here. Just 12,000 shiny rape kits that went untested..

I report, you decide.

excon

I give and outragous and an iffy on that story. For the ones that went unprocessed because they had a means to conviction Im not outraged about. But on the ones where it makes a difference, yes I am outraged about it.

Something like that should never happen.

I agree, that should never, ever happen. Just curious though, who are you blaming this on? Memphis is the most liberal city in Tennessee.

Hello again, Steve:

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Just curious though, who are you blaming this on?

The cops. They're the same everywhere.

excon

Where the Backlog Exists | ETB

Tip of the iceberg.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

Where the Backlog Exists | ETB

Tip of the iceberg.

The iceberg has already melted. It is about priorities. One of them being the "war on drugs". That part of law enforcement sucks all the money away from the real police work. It has become a lucrative business for local police departments.

Tax Dollars and Government Spending | Drug Policy Alliance

Hello again,

Do my right wing friends believe there can be MEDICAL reasons, as opposed to contraception worries, for a woman to be prescribed birth control???

If it's determined that there CAN be, can a doctor at a Catholic hospital prescribe them to his patients?

If you determine that he CAN'T, AND as a card carrying right winger who doesn't want ANYBODY between you and your doctor, wouldn't that mean the BISHOP is standing between you and your doctor???

How would you resolve those conflicts?

excon

Hello again, dad:

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That part of law enforcement sucks all the money away from the real police work. It has become a lucrative business for local police departments.

It's NICE when both the right and the left can recognize the same demon.

excon

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again,

Do my right wing friends believe there can be MEDICAL reasons, as opposed to contraception worries, for a woman to be prescribed birth control???

If it's determined that there CAN be, can a doctor at a Catholic hospital prescribe them to his patients?

If you determine that he CAN'T, AND as a card carrying right winger who doesn't want ANYBODY between you and your doctor, wouldn't that mean the BISHOP is standing between you and your doctor???

How would you resolve those conflicts?

excon

I would advise her to try a natural approach 1st . The whole idea of shutting down a woman's sexuality is a serious issue and in only GRAVE situations should it be considered. Still if a serious doctor recommends the pill for other medical conditions ,then neither I or the Catholic Church oppose it .

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"15. On the other hand, the Church does not consider at all illicit the use of those therapeutic means necessary to cure bodily diseases, even if a foreseeable impediment to procreation should result there from—provided such impediment is not directly intended for any motive whatsoever. (19) "

( Humanae Vitae Humanae Vitae - Encyclical Letter of His Holiness Paul VI on the regulation of birth, 25 July 1968 )

98% of catholic women disobey the pope. Now what?

Not my call. Maybe they should examine their own convictions .

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Originally Posted by tomder55

I would advise her to try a natural approach 1st . The whole idea of shutting down a woman's sexuality is a serious issue

If anything, taking a contraceptive would STRAIGHTEN OUT her cycle and sexuality. Without it, she could even have emotional and mental issues with her hormones all over the place. She might even have access to firearms.

Do you really need me to document all the adverse side effects ? Let's put it this way. Things like low libido and mood swings are commonly described by many women who have experience with hormonal contraception. Not being a doctor I can't officially recommend alternatives ;but if asked my opinion I would opine that starting with a change in diet ;and a supplement regimen... then certain herbal remedies before considering going on any drug regimen that's likely to last many decades .

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Do you really need me to document all the adverse side effects ?

How many have you taken? I took them for years and they did a world of good for me. If the doctor is watchful and careful and oversees what he gives his patients, contraception can change a woman's world from a gloomy, even painful and miserable place to one with sunshine flowing over it.

I'm all for herb therapy, but not so much with this kind of problem.

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How many have you taken?

That's a real bogus argument .

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I took them for years and they did a world of good for me. If the doctor is watchful and careful and oversees what he gives his patients, contraception can change a woman's world from a gloomy, even painful and miserable place to one with sunshine flowing over it

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Glad it worked out for you .Still the risks are more real then you dismiss. You talked of mood swings without them .The truth Is that many patients experience depression with them ,and then the doctor compounds the problem with anti-depressants .
You chance ,increased risk of cervical and breast cancers ,increased risk of heart attack and stroke ,migraines,high blood pressure,gall bladder disease,liver tumors , bone density loss,and blood clotting on the pill. So like I said ,glad it worked out for you . But that doesn't change the fact that it's over prescribed .

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Glad it worked out for you .

You have to be an informed consumer and your own best advocate. That's what I would be preaching instead of no contraceptives no matter what and here, drink this herbal tea I've made for you. I was taking contraceptives back when they were first invented, and there weren't many choices. Now there are tons of different brands and types, so there's no excuse to be a martyr about side effects and mood swings.

Just saying.. take them ,especially the ones with synthetic hormones, at your own risk. D@mn right be informed . It's potentially very dangerous . 15 year old girls get strokes and heart attacks on the pill.

I guess that's why a doctor prescribes them, not the pope. I can't believe you think BC is over prescribed. According to you because of the listed known side effects we shouldn't take anything.

Viagra Side Effects in Detail - Drugs.com

(to many side effects to copy and paste)

BBC News | Viagra | Viagra risks 'bigger than first thought'

Truth about Viagra Blindness

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23 million men have used Viagra since 1988, including 900,000 in the UK. Although few serious side effects have been seen, recent reports (2005) suggest a possible risk of blindness from non-arteritic ischaemic optic neuropathy. This is a rare condition in which blood supply is reduced to the optic nerve causing permanent nerve damage, and research workers at the University of Minnesota believe they have detected a cluster of cases of blindness from this cause in men who have taken Viagra.

The US Food and Drug Administration has also identified 50 men with blindness who have taken Viagra, but who also had diabetes and heart disease. However these problems with blindness need to be seen in the context of 23 million users, most of which have experienced significant benefit to their sex lives, and the fact that blindness is a known risk in those with both diabetes and cardiovascular disease.

Now we are supposed to believe you are concerned for the poor dumb woman taking BC? Talk about a bogus argument. Yeah the pope says Viagra is okay.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

[a few] 15 year old girls get strokes and heart attacks on the pill.

And the rest of them don't get pregnant.

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I can't believe you think BC is over prescribed

it is .

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According to you because of the listed known side effects we shouldn't take anything.

Your words . Other than that I won't respond to your BS . And why are you wasting time about Viagra. It is irrelevant to the discussion except that it also is over prescribed .

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Viagra. It is irrelevant to the discussion except that it also is over prescribed .

The taking of Viagra makes the need for contraception even more necessary.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

And the rest of them don't get pregnant.

Ah so we've gone full circle from a drug prescribed for specific medical conditions to a dangerous prophylactic .

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Ah so we've gone full circle from a drug prescribed for specific medical conditions to a dangerous prophylactic .

Rare is the 15 year old taking a birth control pill for hormonal reasons. YOU are the one who dragged in the red herring.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

The taking of Viagra makes the need for contraception even more necessary.

And ? It is irrelevant to this discussion . The topic Ex started was about medically prescribed birth control pills not about men getting artificial erections..

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Originally Posted by tomder55

And ? It is irrelevant to this discussion . The topic Ex started was about medically prescribed birth control pills not about men getting artificial erections..

And what are they going to do with those artificial erections?

So quit the Viagra discussion. Contraception is needed for all sorts of reasons, and preventing a sperm and egg from getting together is only one of them.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

And ? It is irrelevant to this discussion . The topic Ex started was about medically prescribed birth control pills not about men getting artificial erections..

No it was about the war on women that you guys deny you are waging. You are trying to blame them for the ills of society and make them subject to your rules, and they ain't going for it. Hence a war because you guys need to just quit.

You guys need to find other distractions from your failed policies.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

You guys need to find other distractions from your failed policies.

Tell us you love us and want us to be fully autonomous.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Tell us you love us and want us to be fully autonomous.

Why would we do that when you love yourselves so much?