What's he going to do, march into Holder's office and hold the ceremonial Mace up in front of him?Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
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What's he going to do, march into Holder's office and hold the ceremonial Mace up in front of him?Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Hello again, tom:More coverup for Issa??Quote:
,the only person the House has for enforcement is the Sgt at Arms . Yeah it would work real well to have him march to the White House and attempt to detain and arrest anyone there .
Look.. You and I BOTH know how it works.. The Sgt at Arms doesn't put ANYBODY from the White House in jail.. If SHE doesn't snitch, he put's Lois Lerner in jail. Then he puts the NEXT IRS employee in jail.. Then he puts the NEXT one in.
IF there's a connection to the White House, SOMEBODY over there will snitch, and then somebody else will... Then all Issa has to do is sit back and wait for Obama to resign.
But, HE won't do it because he KNOWS there's NO there, there. YOU know it too. That's why you tell me you're afraid of a constitutional crisis, when I know damn well you're not.. Frankly, if it got RID of Obama, I think you'd WELCOME it. Instead, you cover for Issa.
Excon
You and I both know that the so called inherent contempt power is, and pretty much has always been a dormant implied power. Anything further requires a criminal contempt charge ;and that requires the cooperation of the executive branch and possibly the judiciary .
I doubt most republicans would go along with such a spectacle.
Speaking of spectacles, the Dems on the oversight committee certainly put one on yesterday. And as Peggy Noonan says it's now no wonder why they wanted this scandal to just go away. The finger was squarely pointed not at the rogue Cincinnati employees that were thrown under the bus,but right at one of Obama's two political appointees at the IRS in DC.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Let the misdirection begin.Quote:
The IRS scandal was connected this week not just to the Washington office—that had been established—but to the office of the chief counsel.
That is a bombshell—such a big one that it managed to emerge in spite of an unfocused, frequently off-point congressional hearing in which some members seemed to have accidentally woken up in the middle of a committee room, some seemed unaware of the implications of what their investigators had uncovered, one pretended that the investigation should end if IRS workers couldn't say the president had personally called and told them to harass his foes, and one seemed to be holding a filibuster on Pakistan.
Still, what landed was a bombshell. And Democrats know it. Which is why they are so desperate to make the investigation go away. They know, as Republicans do, that the chief counsel of the IRS is one of only two Obama political appointees in the entire agency.
To quickly review why the new information, which came most succinctly in a nine-page congressional letter to IRS Commissioner Daniel Werfel, is big news:
IRS Tax Exempt and Government Entities Division revenue agent Elizabeth Hofacre, left, and retired IRS tax law specialist Carter Hull testify before the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee on Capitol Hill on Thursday.
When the scandal broke two months ago, in May, IRS leadership in Washington claimed the harassment of tea-party and other conservative groups requesting tax-exempt status was confined to the Cincinnati office, where a few rogue workers bungled the application process. Lois Lerner, then the head of the exempt organizations unit in Washington, said "line people in Cincinnati" did work that was "not so fine." They asked questions that "weren't really necessary," she claimed, and operated without "the appropriate level of sensitivity." But the targeting was "not intentional." Ousted acting commissioner Steven Miller also put it off on "people in Cincinnati." They provided "horrible customer service."
House investigators soon talked to workers in the Cincinnati office, who said everything they did came from Washington. Elizabeth Hofacre, in charge of processing tea-party applications in Cincinnati, told investigators that her work was overseen and directed by a lawyer in the IRS Washington office named Carter Hull.
Now comes Mr. Hull's testimony. And like Ms. Hofacre, he pointed his finger upward. Mr. Hull—a 48-year IRS veteran and an expert on tax exemption law—told investigators that tea-party applications under his review were sent upstairs within the Washington office, at the direction of Lois Lerner.
In April 2010, Hull was assigned to scrutinize certain tea-party applications. He requested more information from the groups. After he received responses, he felt he knew enough to determine whether the applications should be approved or denied.
But his recommendations were not carried out.
Michael Seto, head of Mr. Hull's unit, also spoke to investigators. He told them Lois Lerner made an unusual decision: Tea-party applications would undergo additional scrutiny—a multilayered review.
Mr. Hull told House investigators that at some point in the winter of 2010-11, Ms. Lerner's senior adviser, whose name is withheld in the publicly released partial interview transcript, told him the applications would require further review:
Q: "Did [the senior adviser to Ms. Lerner] indicate to you whether she agreed with your recommendations?"
A: "She did not say whether she agreed or not. She said it should go to chief counsel."
Q: "The IRS chief counsel?"
A: "The IRS chief counsel."
The IRS chief counsel is named William Wilkins. And again, he is one of only two Obama political appointees in the IRS.
In Delaware ,they accessed Christine O'Donnell's tax records on the day she announced her candidacy for Senate ;and handed them over to local officials . That same day, the IRS put a tax lien in her name on a house she no longer owned, arguing that O'Donnell owed the government $12,000.She provided documentation to the IRS to clear up the issue a number of times ;and the IRS managed to "lose " the documents each time. The IRS later said it had made a mistake due to a "computer glitch. " Yeah right ! No IRS intimidation there ! O'Donnell's opponents cited the bogus lien as evidence that she was financially irresponsible.
Sen Grassley, the ranking Republic on the Judiciary committee is looking into this ,but as we know ,the Dems will do nothing about it . Rep Issa can only do so much . But this is now also a Delaware state issue . Dem Sen. Chris Coons of Delaware is a member of the Judiciary committee also ,and should press his colleagues to appoint a prosecutor for an independent investigation .
Get this... although this was a case involving O'Donnell ;she cannot access the details to protect the privacy of the person who violated hers.Grassley's office has reached out to the Ways and Means and Senate Finance committees for help since the chairmen of both panels have special authority to see private taxpayer information.
Bet that goes no where .
Yeah yeah... I know... I got nothing yawn... no smoking gun and no chance to find it because it's perfectly OK for the Dems to stonewall and obstruct. The Treasury inspector general for tax administration has found at least four cases in which a candidate's or donor's tax information was accessed improperly.In one case, the investigator said the violation was willful and referred it to the Holder Justice Department, which declined to pursue the case. Nope... nothin there.
Proving the inefficiency of the IRS means nothing
Not inefficiency... that's a given... we're talking criminal activity .Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Shrugg, it goes with the territory
Hello again, tom:
Yeah... The IRS sucks... When do the arrests start?Quote:
not inefficiency... that's a given... we're talking criminal activity .
Yawwwwwn..
Excon
You know ex they won't
From my comment above :Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Yeah yeah ..... I know ... I got nothing yawn... no smoking gun and no chance to find it because it's perfectly ok for the Dems to stonewall and obstruct. The Treasury inspector general for tax administration has found at least four cases in which a candidate’s or donor’s tax information was accessed improperly.In one case, the investigator said the violation was willful and referred it to the Holder Justice Department, which declined to pursue the case. Nope ...nothin there.
Hello again, tom:As usual, you're carrying water for that schlump, Issa. Congress is NOT without power here. If they have evidence of corruption and a coverup, they can bring articles of impeachment, call the IG as their first witness, Lois Lerner as their second, and let the chips fall where they may...Quote:
In one case, the investigator said the violation was willful and referred it to the Holder Justice Department, which declined to pursue the case.
Instead, they flap their gums..
YAAAWWWNNNN...
Excon
You know the white house is not cooperating, they've already shielded Holder in one investigation and the dems on the committee are obstructing. Without cooperation this is heading for a special prosecutor which will get you safely past the election which is all you care about. The truth and our rights will be the casualties.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Hello again, Steve:More water carrying for Issa. Show me where, in the Constitution, it says that congress needs the presidents PERMISSION before it performs its DUTY..Quote:
You know the white house is not cooperating,
Look.. I'm a citizen like you are. If the IRS AND my president, are corrupt, I Want to KNOW about it. I WANT congress to DO ITS JOB!! In fact, YOU'RE the ones who dancing around and flapping your gums instead of INVESTIGATING!!
Excon
They are investigating.
The left's standard response on the 'phony' IRS scandal is something like "equal opportunity targeting" of both conservative and liberal groups. Your stats of the day via NPR. You do the math.
http://media.npr.org/assets/img/2013...619375-s40.jpg
And Louis Lerner was supplying the FEC with the confidential tax information of applicants .SO now this targeting scandal goes beyond one Federal Agency. Multiple agencies are involved.
Look, something shiny!
Hello again,
Yeah, there's shenanigans going on at the IRS, all right. They SUCK. Lois Lerner likes big ones. Be fine with me if you throw her in jail along with the rest of 'em.
But, I'm waiting for a connection to the White House... Then, and ONLY then will it be a scandal.. Right now it's just right wingers flapping their gums about bad government. Guess they never ran into that before...
Do YOU ever wonder where those pallets of cash are?
Yawwwwwn.
excon
How high it goes is not the determining factor of what makes something a scandal. It doesn't have to get to the president to make this an intentional abuse of power against American citizens.
But I get it, as long as the cause is furthered libs can excuse all manner of abuses and really bad behavior.
Hello again, Steve:
If calling for them to be jailed, is excusing them for all manner of abuse, then our problem goes deeper than politics..
excon
I responded to this part, "But, I'm waiting for a connection to the White House... Then, and ONLY then will it be a scandal.. Right now it's just right wingers flapping their gums about bad government."Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
It was scandal from day one and intentional abuse of power for political purposes is not just "bad government." "Bad government" is sending the SWAT team to storm an animal shelter to euthanize Bambi. This has much more serious implications but since it's Obama it's just Wingers flapping their gums about another 'phony' scandal.
By the way, if there's nothing to see here then the Most Transparent Administration Ever should stop stonewalling and give the committee what they've asked for.
Issa Blasts Acting IRS Chief for Slow Pace, Will Subpoena Documents | National Review Online
Hello again, Steve:
So, he's finally going to get tough??Quote:
Issa Blasts Acting IRS Chief for Slow Pace, Will Subpoena Documents
Bwa, ha ha ha ha ha.
Excon
I'll give Ex his due.. the Republican leadership needs to grow a spine. They should have created a select committee with subpoena powers and the power to convene a grand jury by now . All these 'scandals' are being "investigated" by Congressional staffers with other responsibilities where they should be investigated by professional prosecutors . There is too much stove piping and too much turf protection. Time to consolidate these investigations by Congress handing them over to a select committee that pressures the Justice Dept to appoint an independent prosecutor. Defund Holder's office and staff until they comply.
What are you smokin, Tom
Hello again, tom:
If I was the ranking member of House Oversight Committee, and I BELIEVED the administration was corrupt, I'd use EVERY tool I had at my disposal, and I'd have used them LONG before now.Quote:
the Republican leadership needs to grow a spine.
However, if I KNEW there was nothing there, I'd do a little dance.
Excon
I don't think that's the issue. Issa is doing what he can. He needs Bonehead to end his resistance to the creation of a select committee empowered with the tools you say Issa has. The fact is that even something as narrowly defined as an Oversight committee still has many other issues to deal with.. A select committee empowered to singularly investigate the IRS ,or Benghazi ,or the WH targeting of the press ,or the NSA's abuse of power... all staffed with experienced investigators former prosecutors ,attorneys ,would move things along much better.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
And bog everything down in years of evidence. One of the bureaucratic tools to avoid scrutiny is the inquiry. Haven't you fellows ever watched Yes Minister or Yes Prime Minister. British satire at its best but right on the money
And yet if there's nothing there they would stop stonewalling and turn over the un-redacted goods.
Here is video of Louis Lerner in 2010 discussing the political pressure brought to the IRS to stop the flow of money into the election process as a result of the Citizens United decision .
Lois Lerner Discusses Political Pressure on IRS in 2010 - YouTubeQuote:
"the Supreme Court dealt it a huge blow, overturning a hundred year old precedent that said basically corporations can give directly in political campaigns."... "Everyone is up in arms because they don't like it".. "Federal Election Commission can't do anything about it; they want the IRS to fix the problem."... "So everybody is screaming at us right now 'Fix it now before the election. Can't you see how much these people are spending?'"
I wonder who was putting political pressure on the IRS . Not everyone objected to corporate spending . Maybe it was coming from the White House ? Maybe the emperor made it a point to mention it in his weekly radio address saying it would "open the floodgates" to special interest advertising in elections. Maybe it was the emperor who attacked SCOTUS openly during his SOTU address before a joint session of Congress?
President Obama on Citizens United: "Imagine the Power This Will Give Special Interests Over Politicians" | The White HouseQuote:
Pounding his hand on his pedestal, the President emphasized again that simple bringing transparency to this kind of spending is about as common-sense as you can get:
By the way ,Lerner illegally handed over confidential IRS taxpayer data to the FEC .That is probably why she took the 5th amendment in Congressional testimony. There is supposedly an on going criminal investigation . Does anyone think she did any of this stuff on her own ? Who was the quarterback ?
And this isn't even an election year
Yes it is as both the 2014,and the 2016 campaigns have started in earnest, and the media is craving the advertising dollar from politicians.
The right has to have as many scandals a they can to distract us from the non governing of the congress and keep the base all in a frenzy to keep the power they have and expand it further. Without them squealing for repeal of everything, their would be no news.
THe non governing it taking place in the White House and the obstruction tactics of Harry Ried... Chickenhawk.
Add opposed to mythical wars on women and lies about who's in control of two out of the branches of government.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Your words and actions are obvious and makes a sham of your denial on the assault on the rights of many so let people judge for themselves whether they trust you guys with their lives.
And as we see and have learned the obstruction of and by the minority can clog up the works so nothing gets done except hollering and screaming and blame. Its called gridlock, and has happened to both parties for years.
Hello tom:
Let me know when you find out...Quote:
Who was the quarterback ?
Yaaaaaaawn!
By the way, if I was the head of Oversight Committee, I'd KNOW what Lois Lerner knows, because I wouldn't treat her with kid gloves... I wonder why Issa is doing that?
Excon
You crack me up. Some day you should listen to yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
I am as amused as you are sometimes when you condone what your conservative state legislatures do and yet you say there is no war on women and minorities going on. Protecting the unborn, and being fiscally responsible by cutting food stamps and Medicaid is a sham, that we can all see through. Direct assaults on women and children.
That's being a bully when the strong pick on the weak.
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