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  • Jul 22, 2013, 10:23 AM
    speechlesstx
    Meanwhile the ACLU rather quickly walked back its initial response to the verdict. As much as they wanted to make this about blacks not being able to get justice their previous position on double jeopardy got in the way.

    It went from this:

    Quote:

    “Last night’s verdict casts serious doubt on whether the legal system truly provides equal protection of the laws to everyone regardless of race or ethnicity,” ACLU Executive Director Anthony Romero said in a statement on July 14, the day after the Florida jury’s verdict. “This case reminds us that It is imperative that the Department of Justice thoroughly examine whether the Martin shooting was a federal civil rights violation or hate crime.”
    To this:

    Quote:

    That call came even though the ACLU’s long-standing policy, restored in 1993 after the King debate, explicitly rejects such an option. “There should be no exception to double jeopardy principles simply because the same offense may be prosecuted by two different sovereigns,” the policy says.

    Romero’s statement stirred concern among some civil libertarians that in a rush to join the chorus of outrage over the Zimmerman verdict, the group had turned its back on the policy it settled on two decades ago.

    In an apparent attempt to stem the controversy, a top ACLU official wrote to Attorney General Eric Holder on Thursday to make clear that the group does not favor a second prosecution of Zimmerman in federal court.

    “We are writing to clearly state the ACLU’s position on whether or not the Department of Justice (DOJ) should consider bringing federal civil rights or hate crimes charges as a result of the state court acquittal in the George Zimmerman case,” Laura Murphy, director of the ACLU’s Washington office, wrote.

    “The ACLU believes the Double Jeopardy Clause of the Constitution protects someone from being prosecuted in another court for charges arising from the same transaction. A jury found Zimmerman not guilty, and that should be the end of the criminal case,” she wrote.

    Read more: For the ACLU, George Zimmerman case is awkward déjà vu - Josh Gerstein - POLITICO.com
    Glad to see them come to their senses.
  • Jul 22, 2013, 10:36 AM
    smoothy
    Don't hold your breath... its not going to last long... any sort of sense (common or otherwise) is something that is in very short supply at the ACLU.
  • Jul 22, 2013, 11:13 AM
    speechlesstx
    You just can't make this up, although judging by the comments on the article that's exactly what the detractors believe...

    Quote:

    George Zimmerman Emerged From Hiding for Truck Crash Rescue

    George Zimmerman, who has been in hiding since he was acquitted of murder in the death of Trayvon Martin, emerged to help rescue a family who was trapped in an overturned vehicle, police said today.

    Zimmerman was one of two men who came to the aid of a family of four -- two parents and two children -- trapped inside a blue Ford Explorer SUV that had rolled over after traveling off the highway in Sanford, Fla. At approximately 5:45 p.m. Thursday, the Seminole County Sheriff's Office said in a statement.

    The crash occurred at the intersection of I-4 and route Route 46, police said. The crash site is less than a mile from where Zimmerman shot Martin.

    By the time police arrived, two people - including Zimmerman - had already helped the family get out of the overturned car, the sheriff's office said. No one was reported to be injured.

    Zimmerman was not a witness to the crash and left after speaking with the deputy, police said.
    Come on admit it, you believe it was staged.

    Meanwhile, even his parents are in hiding because of allegedly receiving "an enormous amount of death threats."

    Zimmerman's Parents in Hiding from 'Enormous Amount of Death Threats': ABC News Exclusive

    Didn't I say something about more than one family being affected by all this?
  • Jul 22, 2013, 11:23 AM
    smoothy
    You'd only see Trayvons homies helping at an accident if it was an armoured car that rolled and they would have been picking up the money because of the unsightly litter out of the spirit of enviromentalizm..
  • Jul 22, 2013, 12:50 PM
    JudyKayTee
    "Come on admit it, you believe it was staged. "

    Either that or George Zimmerman has a marvelous sense of timing - in many ways.
  • Jul 22, 2013, 01:10 PM
    speechlesstx
    I can't think of why a mom and dad would intentionally roll their SUV so Zimmerman could rescue them.

    Quote:

    On Wednesday, July 17 at about 5:45 PM Sanford Police responded to a single car accident in the area of I- 4 and State Road 46 in Sanford. A blue Ford Explorer SUV traveled off the road and rolled over. There were four occupants inside the vehicle, two parents and two children. An eyewitness to the accident told Breitbart News the SUV lost control in front of the witness's car. The SUV later caught fire.

    The deputy reported, when he arrived on the scene that one of the two men helping the family was George Zimmerman. According to Sanford Police Zimmerman had a fire extinguisher with him. The eyewitness told Breitbart News he helped assist the family out of the vehicle and put out the fire with the extinguisher.

    "Zimmerman was not a witness to the crash, which was why he was not referenced in the police report," a Sanford Police spokeswoman told Breitbart News. "He left after making contact with the deputy. There were no reports of injuries of any of the vehicle's occupants," she said.

    An eyewitness to the accident told Breitbart News that people on the scene recognized Zimmerman and thanked him for his help before he left.

    Zimmerman's location has been unknown since he was found "not guilty" of second degree murder and manslaughter of Trayvon Martin recently.
    Must be the timing. But then, it's entirely in line with his past history unlike the twisted version we hear about. Take this for example:

    Quote:

    In this narrative, even Zimmerman’s concern for a black child—a 2011 call to report a young African-American boy walking unsupervised on a busy street, on which the police record notes, “compl[ainant] concerned for well-being”—has been twisted into crazed racism. Writing on the website of The New Republic, Stanford University law professor Richard Thompson Ford describes Zimmerman as “an edgy basket case” who called 911 about “the suspicious activities of a seven year old black boy.” This slander turns up in other left-of-center sources, such as ThinkProgress.org.

    Read more: How the Media Has Distorted a Tragedy | RealClearPolitics
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  • Jul 22, 2013, 01:35 PM
    JudyKayTee
    "I can't think of why a mom and dad would intentionally roll their SUV so Zimmerman could rescue them."

    I'll believe it when I see the Police Report. Note that the Police are repeating what the eye witness said: "The eyewitness told Breitbart News he helped assist the family out of the vehicle and put out the fire with the extinguisher." I've had witnesses think Elvis helped them out of the car.

    Maybe I'll just follow Zimmerman around with a camera and tape recorder and give up the rest of my business.
  • Jul 22, 2013, 02:51 PM
    speechlesstx
    Pretty elaborate hoax and apparently the Seminole County Sheriff's office is in on it.
  • Jul 22, 2013, 02:55 PM
    cdad
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by JudyKayTee View Post
    "I can't think of why a mom and dad would intentionally roll their SUV so Zimmerman could rescue them."

    I'll believe it when I see the Police Report. Note that the Police are repeating what the eye witness said: "The eyewitness told Breitbart News he helped assist the family out of the vehicle and put out the fire with the extinguisher." I've had witnesses think Elvis helped them out of the car.

    Maybe I'll just follow Zimmerman around with a camera and tape recorder and give up the rest of my business.

    From what was stated this makes me believe he was at least on the scene.

    "Zimmerman was not a witness to the crash, which was why he was not referenced in the police report," a Sanford Police spokeswoman told Breitbart News. "He left after making contact with the deputy. There were no reports of injuries of any of the vehicle's occupants," she said.
  • Jul 22, 2013, 05:14 PM
    paraclete
    So this Zimmerman character has a heart, is a good citizen, what ever, boring
  • Jul 22, 2013, 05:17 PM
    speechlesstx
    It goes against the false narrative that condemned him.
  • Jul 22, 2013, 05:29 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    It goes against the false narrative that condemned him.

    But he wasn't condemned he was acquitted, in other words he was just a good citizen doing what good citizens and good republicans do, seeking out offenders and evil dooooers just like Superman
  • Jul 22, 2013, 06:58 PM
    smoothy
    AFTERBURNER w/ BILL WHITTLE: The Lynching - YouTube

    Goes into and shows all the evidence the lefty press refused to print, all of which is publicly accessible... that the brain damaged naysayers that think Trayvon is destined to become the next Saint.
  • Jul 22, 2013, 07:22 PM
    paraclete
    Hey neither Trayvon or Zimmerman were saints just in the wrong place at the wrong time
  • Jul 22, 2013, 07:26 PM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    Hey neither Trayvon or Zimmerman were saints just in the wrong place at the wrong time

    Treyvon is responsible for this because HE started it... Zimmerman had the right to defend himself after that. Evidence proved it.. the Court decided it. End of story.

    Zimmerman has a track record of helping people... Treyvon has a track record of crime and helping no one but himself.

    The Jury spoke...
  • Jul 22, 2013, 07:31 PM
    paraclete
    Zimmerman helped Trayvon to avoid a life of crime
  • Jul 22, 2013, 07:32 PM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    Zimmerman helped Trayvon to avoid a life of crime

    I look at it like he is saving an unknown number of future victims of Treyvons crimes.
  • Jul 22, 2013, 07:40 PM
    paraclete
    Yes it all turned out well in the end and Zimmerman goes on his helping way
  • Jul 23, 2013, 04:49 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    So this Zimmerman character has a heart, is a good citizen, what ever, boring

    Or he could've stayed in his car and not do anything until the police showed up...
  • Jul 23, 2013, 04:56 AM
    smoothy
    Except Zimmerman was a resident there... and.had the right to walk around... and the fact 911 call center operators aren't the police or agents of the court and have no legal authority to demand anyone do anything... all they can do is suggest.
  • Jul 23, 2013, 06:17 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    Except Zimmerman was a resident there....and.had the right to walk around...and the fact 911 call center operators aren't the police or agents of the court and have no legal authority to demand anyone do anything...all they can do is suggest.

    I think it all boils down to the gun. Had Zimmerman not had one, he would have stayed in his vehicle and let the police do their job. Because he had one, that gave him the courage to do his own investigating.
  • Jul 23, 2013, 06:27 AM
    speechlesstx
    Via a coworker, "America, the only place where a brown guy can shoot a black guy and a white guy gets blamed for it."
  • Jul 23, 2013, 06:27 AM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    I think it all boils down to the gun. Had Zimmerman not had one, he would have stayed in his vehicle and let the police do their job. Because he had one, that gave him the courage to do his own investigating.

    He like many of us other Americans had the right to have a gun... he was licensed to carry it... something with his criminal record Treyvon would never be allowed to do. Had he not attacked the wrong person.

    He was under NO legal or moral obligation to stay in his car... the town of Safford has TWICE the average crime rate of the USA... and he rightfully had the duty to do what he could to protect his stuf and his neighbors. He actually had MORE of a right to be walking around that gated community than Treyvon had.

    And it all bouild down to a 17 year old punk with a bad attitude and no moral companss biting off more than he could chew. THe concept of "measured response" is a liberal one... and one that has never worked... Korea... Vietnam... and now Iraq and Afghanistan are shining examples of why tying ones hand behind their back to give their opponent a fair fight doesn't work.

    A criminal when they attack someone.. needs to think what if they are armed... I might get killed before they decide to go through... and a victim doesn't have to think... I can't use my gun because he doesn't have one... BS... if you are being attacked.. you have the right to use everything at your disposal, rock.. 2X4, steel pipe, knife... or a gun.

    As I've said before... I've been there... only it was two people and not just one... I put one in intensive care with a steel bar a witness tossed me... If I had a gun I'd have used it... I've never second guessed my decision or thought about "what if"... because It was my right... and I exercised it.

    And 17 year olds are old enough to be charged as adults I'm most cases and are every day.

    If someone was nosing around MY back yard or my neighbors... I'd do the same thing.

    Even though I'd get a better police response time where I live than in the high crime Safford.
  • Jul 23, 2013, 06:34 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    He like many of us other Americans had the right to have a gun...he was liscensed to carry it...

    I'm just saying the gun ownership made all the difference in Zimmerman's being willing to leave his vehicle. When he first saw him, Zimmerman had no clue who Martin was, his criminal background if any, his age, his reason for being in that place at that time.
  • Jul 23, 2013, 06:45 AM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    I'm just saying the gun ownership made all the difference in Zimmerman's being willing to leave his vehicle. When he first saw him, Zimmerman had no clue who Martin was, his criminal background if any, his age, his reason for being in that place at that time.

    Lets just say... there is a reason Colt was called the Equalizer... no longer did the people born physically smaller (male or female) need to live in fear of the physically larger aggressive bullies of the world.

    And quite honestly.. its made the world a better place.
  • Jul 23, 2013, 06:48 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    Lets just say...there is a reason Colt was called the Equalizer....no longer did the people born physically smaller (male or female) need to live in fear of the agressive bullies of the world.

    Zimmerman didn't know Martin was going to be an "aggressive bully."
  • Jul 23, 2013, 06:50 AM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    Zimmerman didn't know Martin was going to be an "aggressive bully."

    That's why you have a concieled carry... in case you need it.

    He didn't shoot Treyvon first... he didn't even draw his gun until his head was being bashed into the concrete.

    I think Zimmerman expressed great restraint. Far more than I would have.
  • Jul 23, 2013, 06:52 AM
    paraclete
    Zimmerman was hunting bear and he found one as usual they can be aggressive
  • Jul 23, 2013, 06:53 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    he didn't even draw his gun until his head was being bashed into the concrete.

    We have only Zimmerman's report of how it all went down.
  • Jul 23, 2013, 06:53 AM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    zimmerman was hunting bear and he found one as usual they can be aggressive

    Well if the bear had stayed in the woods... it would still be pooping in the woods.
  • Jul 23, 2013, 06:56 AM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    We have only Zimmerman's report of how it all went down.

    No... we have eye witness reports... we have Treyvons girlfriend who was talking to treyvon when he assaulted Zimmerman.. and SHE told the world that Treyvon instigated the fight... as a prosecution witness.
    With the famous.. "I'm going to teach that crazy white cracker a lesson". Which also showed Treyvon was a racist.

    We have ample evidence that backs up 100% of all of it.
  • Jul 23, 2013, 07:48 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    No...we have eye witness reports...

    We have no idea of what happened after Zimmerman left his vehicle and what he said to Martin and what Martin may have said to him that then led to the physical confrontation.
  • Jul 23, 2013, 10:10 AM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    We have no idea of what happened after Zimmerman left his vehicle and what he said to Martin and what Martin may have said to him that then led to the physical confrontation.

    We do... you might not but all of this is public information... the jury saw it... Treyvons girlfriend testified about it and the video is out there... we do know what happened.

    Treyvons girlfriend was talking to him when he said some creapy white cracker was following him and he was going to teach him a lesson... thats what Treyvon told her... thats what she told the world.

    THere is no doubt Treyvon was the aggressor... the contents of his cellphone that the prosecution withheld from the defense as evidence (the IT guy released them after the trial and was fired for doing it. Show treyvon was a burgler... had photos of him with piles a stolen jewelry on his bed , there were numerous texts about him causing fights... etc.

    There is more proof available to the public Treyvon instigated this and was the criminal he is reported to be,. than than that Obama ever attended Harvard.
  • Jul 23, 2013, 10:03 PM
    paraclete
    I don't get the problem here there was a hearing and for whatever reason zimmerman was acquitted. Is someone trying to clear trayvon's somewhat dubious reputation?
  • Jul 24, 2013, 02:47 AM
    tomder55
    You know the left can't let anything go.. they are using this to project all their issues into the debate ;gun control ,stand your ground laws ,racism... etc. Even the emperor said that it was unlikely that they would pursue civil rights prosecution against Zimmerman despite the pressure being put to bear by the race baiters. Friday the emperor made a fairly presidential address on the case because he feared massive demonstrations on the Al Sharpton 100 city day of outrage. Well this nation is post-racial and there was nothing there . The majority of the country knows this is all just a lot of smoke blowing .
  • Jul 24, 2013, 04:47 AM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    I don't get the problem here there was a hearing and for whatever reason zimmerman was acquited. Is someone trying to clear trayvon's somewhat dubious reputation?

    In a nutshell... there is a certain crowd that believes no black person in the history of the earth has ever committed a trqansgression much less a crime...

    And they want Zimmerman who isn't a black to pay for a crime that never happened. Just because they think they are owed something. Guilt or innocence mean nothing to this crowd.

    In another time these are the people who lynched people and burned witches at the stake.
  • Jul 24, 2013, 05:48 AM
    paraclete
    You and I know its always the white guys fault
  • Jul 24, 2013, 06:10 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    you know the left can't let anything go.

    Oh yeah, they can let their perverts off the hook.
  • Jul 26, 2013, 05:50 AM
    smoothy
    Zimmerman Prosecutor Angela Corey Criminally Indicted By Citizens' Grand Jury For Allegedly Falsifying Arrest Warrant And Complaint - WSJ.com

    Florida State's Attorney Angela Corey has been indicted by a citizens' grand jury, convening in Ocala, Florida, over the alleged falsification of the arrest warrant and complaint that lead to George Zimmerman being charged with the second degree murder of African-American teenager Trayvon Martin in Sanford, Florida.

    The indictment of Corey, which was handed down last week (see Citizens Grand Jury), charges Corey with intentionally withholding photographic evidence of the injuries to George Zimmerman's head in the warrant she allegedly rushed to issue under oath, in an effort to boost her reelection prospects. At the outset of this case, black activists such as Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, who whipped up wrath against Zimmerman, demanded that he be charged with murder, after local police had thus far declined to arrest him pending investigation.

    Following Corey's criminal complaint charging Zimmerman, legal experts such as Harvard Law Professor Alan Dershowitz condemned her for falsely signing an arrest affidavit under oath, which intentionally omitted exculpatory evidence consisting of the photographs showing the injuries Zimmerman sustained, and rushing to charge him with second degree murder under political pressure. Dershowitz called her actions unethical and themselves crimes (http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/d...murder-charge- article-1.1080161).
  • Jul 26, 2013, 06:11 AM
    talaniman
    Yeah nice going Florida, Zimmerman and gangbanger kill and go free, but an abused mom gets 20 years. Alec and conservatives are lousy law makers and obviously apply the law by the most stupid of standards.

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