Hello again,

Tort reform is PERFECT for right wingers... It TAKES away rights, and doesn't fix the problem. Right wingers HATE rights, unless it's their 2nd Amendment rights...

What tort reform IS, in the final analysis, is PRICE CONTROLS - a very LIBERAL idea. I thought the right wing LIKED the free market. Instead, tort reform sets a LIMIT on how much money a VICTIM can receive, no matter HOW badly they were injured... That's price controls no matter how you slice it.

Now, everybody who lives on EARTH knows, that when THEY'RE injured or their child is injured, they'll change their tune. Look at Rob Portman - A STAUNCH defender of DOMA until something happened to HIS family.

FIXING our health care problems on the backs of INJURED people AIN'T going to work. To think it would is mean spirited, un American, short sighted, and won't work anyway.

excon

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

I have also called for tort reform on these pages years back. That wasn't the question you asked. You asked, "You didn't give a rats patoot before Obama was elected?"

I answered what you asked. Try and keep up.

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Tort reform doesn't stop your premiums from rising, but having the insurance companies return some of the money they didn't use for health care related expenses does and will.

I guess eliminating caps on coverage, and pre existing conditions doesn't help either. Or tax deductions for premiums that rise as the premiums rise was a lousy thing for consumers too.

My drug costs have come down the last year and so has my mom's on medicare. No more donut hole extra payments. That's a bad thing too huh?

Caught up yet?

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Originally Posted by talaniman

Tort reform doesn't stop your premiums from rising, but having the insurance companies return some of the money they didn't use for health care related expenses does and will.

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In other words, profits and investing are evil. If you had the same attitude about government we might get somewhere. Government takes and takes and takes to feed its voracious appetite and you guys b!tch about an insignificant cut in spending increases.

Profits on the backs of the poor are evil, just ask the new pope. If you had the same concerns about businesses and corporations that take and take from the consumer as you do the government, which could be more efficient, we could get somewhere.

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... the government, which could be more efficient,

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BWAHAHAHahahahahahah!!

Governments don't do efficient, ever. Have you never heard the old chestnut about an elephant being a mouse built to government specifications?

Governments (any of them) can SOMETIMES be more effective than private endeavors, but not more efficient.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

Profits on the backs of the poor are evil, just ask the new pope. If you had the same concerns about businesses and corporations that take and take from the consumer as you do the government, which could be more efficient, we could get somewhere.

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Could be more efficient is an understatement.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Could be more efficient is an understatement.

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I know! Finally we agree on a point. Watch out world!!

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Originally Posted by Catsmine

BWAHAHAHahahahahahah !!!!!!

Governments don't do efficient, ever. Have you never heard the old chestnut about an elephant being a mouse built to government specifications?

Governments (any of them) can SOMETIMES be more effective than private endeavors, but not more efficient.

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You may be right, so lets beat both their a$$e$ until they do what we want!!

Tort reform was only one of my plans. One of the others that I have mentioned here before is Direct primary care(DPC) for the vast majority of health care needs ,and having insurance cover only catastrophic care.
Direct primary care - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Tort reform was only one of my plans. One of the others that I have mentioned here before is Direct primary care(DPC) for the vast majority of health care needs ,and having insurance cover only catastrophic care.
Direct primary care - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Well Tom you are getting closer but such a system doesn't solve the real problem, which is, where do you go when you don't have the money

There are already government programs to care for the poor. There are already charitable organizations to handle the heath care needs of the poor.

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there are already government programs to care for the poor. there are already charitable organizations to handle the heath care needs of the poor.

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I don't think you have any idea about how many poor, that is, those unable to afford medical care there are, It isn't just the jobless, the unemployed, those on welfare, but poorly paid workers also

Yeah it sucks being poor.

Maybe we can seize everyone's bank accounts like the EU is doing to Cyprus ,so we can spread the wealth.

I think you miss the point of why that is being done, the Russians are using that country to launder money

And yes Tom it sucks being poor because the poor are more likely to need medical help and be less able to pay for it

But I already said there are provisions for the poor. That is not the problem. The real problem is that too many sheeple are used to suckling on the nanny-state teet.

You don't have nanny state, Tom

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yeah it sucks being poor.

maybe we can seize everyone's bank accounts like the EU is doing to Cyprus ,so we can spread the wealth.

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I wonder how much money is left in Cypriot banks today?

I know there was a run on the ATMs . Clete is wrong about Cyprus . It is the canary in the coal mine. If the EU gets away with it there ,then the PIGS are next . And then... (I see my 401-K threatened again)

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Now, everybody who lives on EARTH knows, that when THEY'RE injured or their child is injured, they'll change their tune. Look at Rob Portman - A STAUNCH defender of DOMA until something happened to HIS family.

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He's just evolving like Obama, Bill and now Hillary.

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He's just evolving like Obama, Bill and now Hillary.

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Do you tell your gay friends that you haven't evolved yet? Do you even have any? Would you go to your best gay friends wedding?

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Do you tell your gay friends that you haven't evolved yet? Do you even have any? Would you go to your best gay friends wedding?

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Nice gotcha questions. The question you should be asking is why are Obama and the Clintoons pretending to endorse gay marriage to advance their political aspirations? Clinton signed DOMA, Obama was publicly against gay marriage until the last election and Hillary telegraphed her likely evolution months ago:

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But according to two sources, Clinton’s aides have privately indicated to people that she will end up where her husband and daughter, Chelsea, have emerged on the issue – in favor of same-sex nuptials.

Her circle has “indicated privately that she feels like … because of her role as the country’s chief diplomat that it was appropriate for her to stay out of this” over the last two years, said one source, who added that the message was also that as soon as she’s left Foggy Bottom “and she’s given the right opportunity, that she will end up with the rest of her clan.”

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Yes, that sounds like the perfect time to have been convinced by your hubby and daughter to "emerge."