Ask Me Help Desk - The old double standard.

It seems you're not man enough to defend your own mistakes instead of depending on someone else to do it for you, and that's of no surprise to anyone. Simple as that. But I'll post it again just to be as fair as possible.

But to be very clear, I don't care if you respond or not. You were simply wrong as anyone can see below. The only question to be answered is if you are honest enough to admit to it. Yet even at that, this is a public forum, and you can post as you please. It's completely up to you.

Then why is it you were so certain of this? "Not a single witness testified that Floyd likely would have survived if not for several underlying med conditions. NOT ONE! You're making this up out of whole cloth." How is it you were totally unaware that, as CNN reported, "Maryland's former chief medical examiner testified for Derek Chauvin's defense on Wednesday that George Floyd died due to his underlying heart disease -- not the police restraint." How did you manage to not know that, having watched it everyday as you claim to have done?

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Oh please. His rhetoric was no more aggressive than MW's. In fact, hers was moreso, or at least I think it was.

One of the more absurd posts here. Comparing Maxine Waters as worse that Trump rhetoric. I repeat - You are semi-literate and cannot process language.

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"if you don't fight like hell you're not going to have a country anymore."

Sounds a lot like this, doesn't it? "“They’re not going to be able to go to a restaurant, they’re not going to be able to stop at a gas station, they’re not going to be able to shop at a department store,” Waters said. “The people are going to turn on them, they’re going to protest, they’re going to absolutely harass them.”

Sounds like the world and times I grew up in. And unfortunately it's still true in too many places.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

It seems you're not man enough to defend your own mistakes instead of depending on someone else to do it for you, and that's of no surprise to anyone. Simple as that. But I'll post it again just to be as fair as possible.

Then why is it you were so certain of this? "Not a single witness testified that Floyd likely would have survived if not for several underlying med conditions. NOT ONE! You're making this up out of whole cloth." How is it you were totally unaware that, as CNN reported, "Maryland's former chief medical examiner testified for Derek Chauvin's defense on Wednesday that George Floyd died due to his underlying heart disease -- not the police restraint." How did you manage to not know that, having watched it everyday as you claim to have done?

Dr. David Fowler, a former chief medical examiner of Maryland who has testified in numerous high-profile police use-of-force cases, told jurors that he believed Mr. Floyd died after a combination of factors — including pre-existing heart conditions, drug use and exposure to vehicle exhaust from the police cruiser that he was next to — caused his heart to stop.
“You put all of those together, it’s very difficult to say which of those is the most accurate,” he said, characterizing Mr. Floyd’s cause of death as “undetermined.”

Dr. Fowler’s testimony pointed to multiple possible causes of death other than Mr. Chauvin’s restraint: drug use, pre-existing heart conditions, even the exhaust from the vehicle that Mr. Floyd was pinned next to. Still, the prosecution came away with some victories, including that Dr. Fowler said sudden cardiac arrest is often reversible and that Mr. Floyd should have been given medical attention.

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Your contention was this. "Not a single witness testified that Floyd likely would have survived if not for several underlying med conditions. NOT ONE!"

That was incorrect as the testimony of a chief med examiner showed clearly. Was his conclusion correct? I don't know, but that's not the point. The issue is that your statement was flat wrong and you are too fearful to simply admit to it. Pitiful.

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Your contention was this. "Not a single witness testified that Floyd likely would have survived if not for several underlying med conditions. NOT ONE!"

Sometime this week, ask a 160-pound friend or neighbor to cuff your hands behind your back, toss you onto your concrete or asphalt driveway face down, and then kneel on the side of your neck for 9 minutes, 29 seconds. Then please report back to us.

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Sometime this week, ask a 160-pound friend or neighbor to cuff your hands behind your back, toss you onto your concrete or asphalt driveway face down, and then kneel on the side of your neck for 9 minutes, 29 seconds. Then please report back to us.

That has absolutely nothing to do with the mistake Athos made. He contended, "Not a single witness testified that Floyd likely would have survived if not for several underlying med conditions. NOT ONE!" That was incorrect as the testimony of a chief med examiner showed clearly. Was his conclusion correct? I don't know, but that's not the point. The issue is that Athos was wrong in what he said. He's not going to admit it, so we might as well just move on.

I really have no idea what point you are trying to make. I've already said I think DC could be found guilty of manslaughter and that his actions were wrong. What exactly are you after?

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That has absolutely nothing to do with the mistake Athos made.

Athos made a mistake???

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I really have no idea what point you are trying to make.

Just wondering if you'd survive what GF went through.

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Just wondering if you'd survive what FG went through.

It was GF, but I have no idea if I would, so if that's really the weak as water point you are trying to make, then mission accomplished.

I can say I would not have resisted arrest to begin with.

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Athos made a miistake???

I'll say one thing for you liberal dems. You stick together even when sticking together means accepting an outrageous, foolish premise. I would encourage you to accept a higher regard for truth.

Uh oh. Chauvin trial judge critical of Auntie Maxine. He clearly does not agree with the liberal dems on this board.

"Judge criticizes Waters for remarks during Chauvin trial"

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/image/...AASUVORK5CYII=Hennepin County District Judge Peter Cahill criticized Rep. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.) for her comments over the weekend regarding the trial of former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin, who's charged with the murder of George Floyd.

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/{"defa...&y=374"}}© Greg Nash Judge criticizes Waters for remarks during Chauvin trial"I wish elected officials would stop talking about this case, especially in a manner that is disrespectful to the rule of law and to the judicial branch and our function," Cahill said after the jury had been sequestered to begin deliberations on Monday.
"If they want to give their opinions they should do so ... in a manner that is consistent with their oath to the Constitution," Cahill continued.
The judge's comments came after Chauvin defense attorney Eric Nelson argued that Waters' comments could have prejudiced the jury and was grounds for a mistrial.

"We have U.S. representatives threatening acts of violence in relation to this specific case, it's mind boggling," Nelson said to Cahill.
Cahill denied Nelson's motion for a mistrial, but said that Waters' weekend remarks could give the defense "something on appeal that may result in this whole trial being overturned."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=uxbndlbing

The jury is not sequestered, so her incendiary remarks could well result in a mistrial. Perhaps it would teach her to control her mouth. And yes, that is a lesson Trump needs to learn as well. No doubt about it.

Harshness WARNING!

@JL

How convenient to hide behind the idiocy of your own flaws by ignoring me. Cool, your call, but don't think you can ignore verified facts and make wild statements. For example it takes less than a minute to choke someone into unconsciousness. After that the risk of death or permanent brain damages increase exponentially every MINUTE. Maybe you don't know if you would survive 9 minutes of a knee to the neck while hands cuffed behind your back with 2 other dudes on your back while prone on the ground but I do. YOU'D BE DEAD FOR FACT!

GF didn't resist arrest. He was distressed and said as much from the confines of the squad car and a few minutes to gather himself would probably have saved his life.

In addition consider the black experience in this country has made the words actions and behavior of some white people suspect and dangerous as well as frustrating when other white people just don't see that.

This means you JL, the self proclaimed Christian with no empathy or sympathy except for those you choose. Maybe that's the best you can do, and that's okay if it is...no big deal. I know where your head is at whether you admit it or NOT!

I completely understand your dilemma, but can't help someone who doesn't want it. Please reconsider as it only takes grabbing your ankles and tugging mightily, and freeing you from the dark abyss you are stuck in and freeing you to the reality of fresh air and cleansing sunlight.

DISCLAIMER; No sexual context intended nor should be construed!

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Your contention was this. "Not a single witness testified that Floyd likely would have survived if not for several underlying med conditions. NOT ONE!"

That was incorrect as the testimony of a chief med examiner showed clearly. Was his conclusion correct? I don't know, but that's not the point. The issue is that your statement was flat wrong and you are too fearful to simply admit to it. Pitiful.

I should have said not a single CREDIBLE witness testified that Floyd could have survived. Fowler was a mess testifying.

He had zero credibility. Considering the causes of death, he ultimately concluded they were “undetermined”, NOT homicide!! He claimed Chauvin leaning on Floyd was NOT the cause of death.

The possibilities he listed were drugs, cardiac arrest, heart problems, even the exhaust from the car. Under cross, Fowler admitted he had not seen any data re carbon monoxide poisoning from the vehicle exhaust. Apparently, he just made that up.

Credible witnesses demolished his bizarre testimony.

Also of note is Fowler's work as a medical examiner in Baltimore. He is either racist or incompetent. His Baltimore experiences as medical examiner were off limits in the Chauvin trial. Fowler is currently named in a lawsuit brought by the family of a black man killed by police in Baltimore. Fowler is charged with complicity in that case as the medical examiner creating a false narrative and not calling the death a homicide. The case is eerily similar to the George Floyd murder.

https://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2021/04/14/dr-david-fowler-former-maryland-chief-medical-examiner-called-to-stand-for-defense-in-derek-chauvin-murder-trial/

Another link with Fowler's admissions under cross.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/04/14/derek-chauvin-trial/

Mr. Nitpick, Jl, has freaked out calling me all sorts of names for not specifying “credible”. His specialty is finding errors in plain language that he does not comprehend. It's an ongoing issue with Mr. Nitpick and does not appear to be going away.

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I should have said not a single CREDIBLE witness testified that Floyd could have survived. Fowler was a mess testifying.

But you didn't. At least now you are approaching honesty, sadly accompanied by the usual whining, complaining, name calling, and griping. "Mr. Nitpick, Jl, has freaked out calling me all sorts of names for not specifying “credible”. His specialty is finding errors in plain language that he does not comprehend. It's an ongoing issue with Mr. Nitpick and does not appear to be going away." I have called you no names. I have not "freaked out". I did not even mention you not specifying credible, so those are all either errors or lies. Your pick.

Do you ever take responsibility for your actions? Why is it always someone else's fault? Well, I will be happy that you at least came near to honesty. It's progress. But still, your statement was VERY clear and VERY definite. "Not a single witness testified that Floyd likely would have survived if not for several underlying med conditions. NOT ONE!" And then you claimed that you knew the trial was fair because, after all, you had watched it EVERY DAY. Now you're mad because it has become clear you didn't know what you were talking about.

See why I have problems with believing you??? See??

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See why I have problems with believing you??? See??

Is that why you have problems

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your statement was VERY clear and VERY definite. "Not a single witness testified that Floyd likely would have survived if not for several underlying med conditions. NOT ONE!"

Read my reply again re credible. If you needed that, you sure weren't watching the guy. But, in your case, I'll give you "credible" not being there. If only to calm you down.

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And then you claimed that you knew the trial was fair because, after all, you had watched it EVERY DAY.

Yup, you got that right. The trial has been eminently fair. Does that bother you?

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Now you're mad because it has become clear you didn't know what you were talking about.

Are you the same guy that just whined about insults and name-calling? You have a propensity to think anyone who challenges you is mad or angry or pitiful. See WG. She tries to engage with you and all you do in return is cast nastiness her way.

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See why I have problems with believing you?

Oh, I know all too well why you have problems believing me (and others). Simple. It's because you don't like to be contradicted. It bruises your vanity.

Contradicted? Your latest post had at least three lies. Remember? " I have called you no names. I have not "freaked out". I did not even mention you not specifying credible, so those are all either errors or lies. Your pick."

Try that "contradiction" on for size.

This is so funny. You made an incorrect statement. Rather than simply admit it, you have gone on a journey to rival the one Columbus made. You even wanted Tal to answer for you! And all because you couldn't bring yourself to admit the blindingly obvious. Well, at least you made a correction of sorts, so that's something to be thankful for. Why you simply couldn't have done that from the beginning I don't know.

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Contradicted? Your latest post had at least three lies. Remember? " I have called you no names. I have not "freaked out". I did not even mention you not specifying credible, so those are all either errors or lies. Your pick."

Nonsense. You're hardly the one to criticize others. Get a grip. Your blood pressure is rising.

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Try that "contradiction" on for size.

I would if I knew what you meant.

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This is so funny. You made an incorrect statement. Rather than simply admit it, you have gone on a journey to rival the one Columbus made.

You can't give it up, can you? Btw, that Columbus business is quite a stretch - very lame. Clever writing is not your forte.

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you made a correction of sorts, so that's something to be thankful for.

I have dedicated my life for you to be thankful.

give up now and see a reduction in BP

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give up now and see a reduction in BP

From your fingers to Jl's ears!

You lied again. You were caught again. You're mad again. Simple truth.

As Lincoln once said, "If you're going to lie, you need to have a good memory." You really should stop. You're not good at it.

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You lied again. You were caught again. You're mad again.

Who's the mad one now? Watch that BP, Jl.

Not mad and BP is fine. I just get a kick out of pointing out that you lie so frequently. Really, you're terrible at it, and then you get angry when you get caught. It's not usually on the level of the Aquinas whopper, but it still happens. Probably should abandon it. Maybe I should come up with a special symbol to use. I could call it a "Whopper Alert". I think it would be helpful.

I'll just repost this. It still makes me laugh. Pay special attention to the underlined section. You missed it the first time.

But you didn't. At least now you are approaching honesty, sadly accompanied by the usual whining, complaining, name calling, and griping. "Mr. Nitpick, Jl, has freaked out calling me all sorts of names for not specifying “credible”. His specialty is finding errors in plain language that he does not comprehend. It's an ongoing issue with Mr. Nitpick and does not appear to be going away." I have called you no names. I have not "freaked out". I did not even mention you not specifying credible, so those are all either errors or lies. Your pick.

Do you ever take responsibility for your actions? Why is it always someone else's fault? Well, I will be happy that you at least came near to honesty. It's progress. But still, your statement was VERY clear and VERY definite. "Not a single witness testified that Floyd likely would have survived if not for several underlying med conditions. NOT ONE!" And then you claimed that you knew the trial was fair because, after all, you had watched it EVERY DAY. Now you're mad because it has become clear you didn't know what you were talking about.

In the meantime, Maxine W has really stepped in it now. This from the trial judge. '

"Nelson told the court that there is a "high probability" that jurors will see Waters’ comments. Cahill denied the request."I'll give you that Congresswoman Waters may have given you something on appeal that may result in this whole trial being overturned," Cahill said.

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Not mad and BP is fine

Lol. Don't get your panties in a bunch, Jl. You're becoming obsessed with me. I must really be getting under your skin again.

Here's some advice from an eminent member of this hallowed website: I'm sure you know what is being referred to. "Please reconsider as it only takes grabbing your ankles and tugging mightily, and freeing you from the dark abyss you are stuck in and freeing you to the reality of fresh air and cleansing sunlight." Now, THAT'S clever writing, Jl. A chance for you to learn from the master.

Now, let's get down to business. You love to re-post your own replies but always fail to re-post the rebuttals posted by others. I understand why you do that. You fear being bested by the other side of a discussion. Then, of course, there's that nit-picking trait you don't seem able to get rid of. You mentioned PM'ing WG. Why not PM her again and seek professional advice. She's a counselor and can help people like you. Give it a try. Tell her Athos sent you.

As for the rest, those interested can see it above. It's the same old stuff, so I doubt there will be much interest. Most here have taken your measure, and found it wanting.

This recent tete-a-tete has been interesting - even fun. But it may be time to put you back in the basement with the other trolls. Maybe not. We'll see.

You've run out of anything useful to say, and I am happy to stand by the accuracy of what I've said, so enough of this. It's past the point of being toxic.

Your attempts to turn discussions into lectures fail miserably. Is that the toxicity you reference?

More of the fair and balanced media at work. "Politico forbids 'crisis' when describing border surge, despite Biden's own use."

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...bidens-own-use

politician speak

Old Joe will deal with it no matter what you call it.

Ole Joe has no intention of dealing with border issues, but ask yourself, why would people want to migrate to a country with a high covid infection rate?

So Biden wants 1.8 trillion in new spending with no plan of how to pay for it. The latest noteworthy quote is this. “His plan is about cutting taxes for middle-class families, for child care, for health care, and for families,” an administration official said. “And he believes that we should do that in a fiscally responsible way — first and foremost, by making sure the wealthiest Americans actually pay the taxes they already owe.”

After saying that his massive new spending plan can be done in a "fiscally responsible way", we then find out that the, "White House estimated that the enforcement changes would generate roughly $700 billion in tax revenue over 10 years."

You can draw two things from that statement. #1 is that new revenues will be something less than 700 bil since tax plans never raise what is promised. #2 is that you are being lied to. Since when is raising taxes by 700 bil to pay for 1.9 tril in new spending "fiscally responsible"?

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...-spending-pro/

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when is raising taxes by 700 bil to pay for 1.9 tril in new spending "fiscally responsible"?

JL, it's polispeak, he had to say something, so what better than a tax cut, it has to get through the cut and thrust so it will be modified and become something different just in time for the mid terms

You forget the return on investment from job creation and raising people above the poverty level...which is less money they take from your pocket for those lazy ingrates you hate so much.

He's not cutting taxes, he's raising them. Unfortunately, his spending plans far outstrips any additional revenue he thinks he will get.

We're going to find out the hard way that spending money you only pretend to have is the avenue to disaster.

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He's not cutting taxes, he's raising them. Unfortunately, his spending plans far outstrips any additional revenue he thinks he will get.

We're going to find out the hard way that spending money you only pretend to have is the avenue to disaster.

Don't you think that events of recent years have disproved your theory, your country has spent more money, borrowed more money and enjoyed a buoyant economy. Were is this disaster you predict? Even in my own country, politicians are taking a different view on debt, which is somewhat peculiar for a conservative government. The future will show that debt isn't always a bad thing, but taxation is always theft so Biden is performing true to type

27,000 barrels of DDT were dumped off the US Pacific coast, don't tell us about your concern for the environment when you have tried to poison all of us

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Were is this disaster you predict? Even in my own country, politicians are taking a different view on debt, which is somewhat peculiar for a conservative government. The future will show that debt isn't always a bad thing, but taxation is always theft so Biden is performing true to type.

Time will tell. Our deficit for this year alone amounts to about 10 thousand dollars for every man, woman, and child in the U.S. You seem to think that's a good idea. I don't.

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27,000 barrels of DDT were dumped off the US Pacific coast, don't tell us about your concern for the environment when you have tried to poison all of us.

Stop with the drama.

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Time will tell. Our deficit for this year alone amounts to about 10 thousand dollars for every man, woman, and child in the U.S. You seem to think that's a good idea. I don't.

I think it is great that you have to pay the bill and we don't

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Stop with the drama.

Stop the pollution and I will think about it

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I think it is great that you have to pay the bill and we don't

It's this kind of good will from people who survived WW2 because of us that makes me want to tell you guys to kiss off and take care of yourselves. If you do, start learning Chinese ASAP.

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It's this kind of good will from people who survived WW2 because of us that makes me want to tell you guys to kiss off and take care of yourselves. If you do, start learning Chinese ASAP.

Ne How Ma, she she

That made me laugh. Maybe we better stay allies after all. 8D