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Utterly predictable. Liberal mayor and liberal sportswriter change their tunes when it's their own homes that are threatened.

A Washington state mayor was fine with the Black Lives Matter protests that followed George Floyd’s death in police custody.
But that was until vandals damaged her home, according to reports.
Now, Mayor Cheryl Selby of Olympia refers to the protests as “domestic terrorism,” according to The Olympian. “I’m really trying to process this,” Selby told the newspaper Saturday, after the rioters’ Friday night spree left her front door and porch covered with spray-painted messages. “It’s like domestic terrorism. It’s unfair.

Another BLM supporter, ESPN writer Chris Martin Palmer, who commented “Burn it all down,” when retweeting a photo of a Minneapolis building in flames in late May, had a different reaction when rioters came close to his house, The Sporting News reported. “Get these animals TF out of my neighborhood,” Palmer wrote. “Go back to where you live.”

That's what it's going to take. Let a few of these starry-eyed liberals stand on the street and look at the burnt out remains of their home or business, and their tune will change in a hurry. I loved the mayor's comment. "It's unfair." Well, was it "unfair" when it was someone else's home or business being burned???

https://www.breakingnewstime.com/was...me-vandalized/

It just shows that there are many like you that can't separate legit activism for a legit cause from criminal behavior, and it becomes a blur. I can understand that, but then neither can be resolved. I suspect from what you have written you were more than willing to dismiss the legit activism though, and the criminality just makes it that much easier.

One death by police affects the whole family for years, well after its been dismissed and ignored by everybody else. You don't just get over it and go back to normal. You certainly cannot just brush it under a rug, and say it doesn't exist either.

One of the most important things we learned from the DA press conference yesterday was there were other similar cases of misconduct trapped in the court pipeline by the corona virus. Until the courts reopen, nothing can move forward and be resolved or justice rendered. That's a lot of families suffering through this delayed process in one place at the same time.

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that there are many like you

Who think that burning and looting are wrong? Yep. They are like me now. They weren't last week. You'll change too when "legit activism" comes to your neighborhood like it did theirs.

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You don't just get over it and go back to normal. You certainly cannot just brush it under a rug, and say it doesn't exist either.

It seems to me that's exactly what you do in the thousands of cases a year in which the person is merely killed by a non-cop, or in the hundreds of thousands of abortions a year. So how are you different from your own description?

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One death by police affects the whole family for years,

Yes it does, just like a 5 year old being murdered in a drive by shooting in which the shooter is never apprehended affect the family for years as well. The difference is that you don't want to be bothered about that case.

I just think it's not either/or. We can talk about both black on black crime and bad cops.

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Who think that burning and looting are wrong? Yep. They are like me now. They weren't last week. You'll change too when "legit activism" comes to your neighborhood like it did theirs.

EVERYBODY said burning and looting is wrong, and THAT'S what was visited on the neighborhoods, NOT legit activism! Not being able to tell the difference is YOUR problem, and that ADDS to the bigger problem! Just an excuse NOT to listen to the legit activist.

I shouldn't have to constantly explain the DIFFERENCE to you, and conclude you don't want to listen to the legit activist in the first place. I already knew that.

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It seems to me that's exactly what you do in the thousands of cases a year in which the person is merely killed by a non-cop, or in the hundreds of thousands of abortions a year. So how are you different from your own description?

Don't like the way I separate the different issues and approach a solution? It's easier for me to take small bites than wolf a whole lot of stuff down. Very different from NOT acknowledging and understanding a problem and seeking a solution.

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Yes it does, just like a 5 year old being murdered in a drive by shooting in which the shooter is never apprehended affect the family for years as well. The difference is that you don't want to be bothered about that case.

How do you know that?

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I just think it's not either/or. We can talk about both black on black crime and bad cops.

So can I just a may need an additional sentence or paragraphs to separate my different views and ideas on DIFFERENT subjects.

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EVERYBODY said burning and looting is wrong,

Oh no they did not. Even in that article, the ESPN writer APPROVED of the destruction in Minneapolis. It wasn't until they approached his house that he changed his tune.

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Don't like the way I separate the different issues and approach a solution?

You don't approach any solutions at all for b on b crime or abortion. You never have.

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How do you know that?

Here's one. There are many out there. Took all of three minutes to find this one. https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/cr...211083954.html

Or here. https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/06/us/ch...rnd/index.html

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So can I just a may need an additional sentence or paragraphs to separate my different views and ideas on DIFFERENT subjects.

I eagerly anticipate you writing about your great concern for b on b crime or abortion. It won't be heard from BLM for sure.

I don't doubt that you are concerned about the thousands of black Americans murdered every year, or all Americans for that matter, but you never post about it. That's strange to me.

Strange that you missed my opinions on those subjects. We had quite the disagreement at the time.

About abortion? Yes. B on B crime? I don't think so, but perhaps.

Poverty breeds gangs and is confined to certain zip codes. We called it street crimes back in the day. They still do.

Fatherless families breed poverty. Fatherless families breed gangs. It's exactly why the epidemic of out of wedlock births needs to be minimized. True for all races, by the way. It's a national problem.

In other news, this would be interesting. "Messages call for NYPD July 4th strike to protest anti-police climate."

https://www.foxnews.com/us/nypd-july-4th-strike-police

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Fatherless families breed poverty. Fatherless families breed gangs. It's exactly why the epidemic of out of wedlock births needs to be minimized. True for all races, by the way. It's a national problem.

So we ignore the high divorce rates in the mix and blame poverty on just out of wedlock births. We ignore the systemic racism, because it doesn't exist and is just a minority excuse. Still the question remains how do you stop out of wedlock births and what do you do after the deed is done?

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In other news, this would be interesting. "Messages call for NYPD July 4th strike to protest anti-police climate."

https://www.foxnews.com/us/nypd-july-4th-strike-police

Too much to ask a cop to not murder folks because they aren't above the law? This will be interesting.

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So we ignore the high divorce rates in the mix and blame poverty on just out of wedlock births.

No.

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We ignore the systemic racism, because it doesn't exist and is just a minority excuse.

What systemic racism? I'm not denying it doesn't exist, but just want to know exactly what it is you are referring to.

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Still the question remains how do you stop out of wedlock births.

Great question. Maybe we should ask why they are many times higher now than in 1960.

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Too much to ask a cop to not murder folks because they aren't above the law? This will be interesting.

Yeah. That would be the 0.001% who do that. The other 99.999% don't, but you trash them all anyway. It is my fervent hope that Seattle defunds the police so people who believe what you believe can see what results from it.

[QUOTE=jlisenbe;3854598]No.

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What systemic racism? I'm not denying it doesn't exist, but just want to know exactly what it is you are referring to.

I can go with what YOU think exists. Does that include redlining, gentrification, or voter suppression?

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Great question. Maybe we should ask why they are many times higher now than in 1960.

I would rather ask how YOU intend to stop out of wedlock children, and what you do after the deed has been done.

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Yeah. That would be the 0.001% who do that. The other 99.999% don't, but you trash them all anyway. It is my fervent hope that Seattle defunds the police so people who believe what you believe can see what results from it.

I have never trashed a good honest cop.

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Does that include redlining

Already illegal.

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gentrification

You call that systemic?

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voter suppression?

Might need to find some to make that one stick.

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I would rather ask how YOU intend to stop out of wedlock children, and what you do after the deed has been done.

Sad that you think it's only on me. Kind of illustrates your total disconnect. At any rate, the first step would be to decide nationally that out of wedlock births are really a bad idea. That deadbeat dads should be shamed. That the traditional husband/wife marriage is what we will honor. That's what worked in 1960.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redlining AND https://www.thoughtco.com/redlining-definition-4157858 There is MUCH MORE!

https://journalistsresource.org/stud...esearch-brief/ AND https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/01...erican-cities/

You need look no further than Wisconsin, and Georgia so far this year for those tactics, and I will add Iowa as a perfect examples for voter suppression.

Yeah those good old 60s when abortions and gays were in the closet and out of site, and the government was making acid. Dude! Really the 60's was that great. No thanks, I ain't going back.

That's your solution to out of wedlock children and shaming after the deed is done works for you, and I'm the one that's disconnected?

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So we ignore the high divorce rates in the mix and blame poverty on just out of wedlock births. We ignore the systemic racism, because it doesn't exist and is just a minority excuse. Still the question remains how do you stop out of wedlock births and what do you do after the deed is done?

Come on tal, you know systemic racism doesn't exist, we are all different and we have different points of view. Minorities make excuses until they are absorbed into the mainstream. I expect you are one of those who thinks there should be no discrimination against a released prisoner and yet they have just been released from a crime academy and many of these belong to a minority. It is not being a minority that placed them there but when they graduate they add to the problem and the reason why society doesn't accept them

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Too much to ask a cop to not murder folks because they aren't above the law? This will be interesting.

bad attitude, cops don't murder people because they are above the law, cops "murder" people because they are like everyone else afraid and thoughtless

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Originally Posted by paraclete

Come on tal, you know systemic racism doesn't exist, we are all different and we have different points of view. Minorities make excuses until they are absorbed into the mainstream. I expect you are one of those who thinks there should be no discrimination against a released prisoner and yet they have just been released from a crime academy and many of these belong to a minority. It is not being a minority that placed them there but when they graduate they add to the problem and the reason why society doesn't accept them[

Minorities can't afford bail, or a good lawyer, but curious how you would know about systemic racism in America? You don't have a lot of minorities in Aussieland do you? You been watching dufus ads again?

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]bad attitude, cops don't murder people because they are above the law, cops "murder" people because they are like everyone else afraid and thoughtless

Not just the murders, but the rousting, even rich black guys are subject to rousting. I got no use for bad cops. Afraid and thoughtless doesn't cut it either.

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Yeah those good old 60s when abortions and gays were in the closet and out of site, and the government was making acid. Dude! Really the 60's was that great. No thanks, I ain't going back.

No one has suggested we do that.

So yeah, let's just keep on with a 74% out of wedlock birth rate for black Americans. In Tal's world, that's just wonderful. We'll just do as you suggest and do nothing. Just keep your head buried in the sand. Let's not try and tackle the really significant problems. We'll just keep working on those 15 cop murders a year and ignore the fact that there were 18 murders in just one weekend recently in Chicago. Yeah, and we can adopt Tal's plan to just ignore the disasters taking place in our families. Yes, that'll work real well.

It would really help if you would bother to read your own links. "The Fair Housing Act of 1968, which explicitly prohibited racial discrimination, put an end to legally sanctioned redlining policies like those used by the FHA."

That's why I provide a couple of links of how modern day redlining works which hasn't been prosecuted or regulated to any meaningful degree, and has spread well beyond just housing. All those things I cited before is a part of the systematic and institutional racism that you don't deny exists.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

Minorities can't afford bail, or a good lawyer, but curious how you would know about systemic racism in America? You don't have a lot of minorities in Aussieland do you? You been watching dufus ads again?

while a lower percentage of the population our minorities are just as vocal, we have the indigenous, always vocal about something, we have the somalis, a real street gang problem there, we have disaffected youth, just as you do. What we don't have is widespread poverty, so we differ from you in that way, or a huge prison population, but it is growing. we have kiwi's, they get here and can't fly back, but what differs is our approach

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Not just the murders, but the rousting, even rich black guys are subject to rousting. I got no use for bad cops. Afraid and thoughtless doesn't cut it either.

Yes well the cop thing, you see we don't have that here

In many states here the minority populations will turn to majorities, thanks to Hispanics and that's already happening in a few locales, so I can understand the FEAR of coming changes. That's why the dufus and repubs adamantly oppose making voting easier, and actively work to make it harder among the minority populations. Dems are already minorities and women represented in congress while the repubs not so much.

The poverty rate is Australia is higher than here. 13.5% vs. 12% here.

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The poverty rate is Australia is higher than here. 13.5% vs. 12% here.

Some areas are higher, some are lower here.

If you want to greatly lessen poverty, then greatly increase marriages and stable families. "Children in father-absent homes are almost four times more likely to be poor. In 2011, 12 percent of children in married-couple families were living in poverty, compared to 44 percent of children in mother-only families."

http://fathers.com/statistics-and-re...atherlessness/

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If you want to greatly lessen poverty, then greatly increase marriages and stable families.

Please list practical ways this can happen.

Already have.

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The poverty rate is Australia is higher than here. 13.5% vs. 12% here.

some selective statistics there, do you have universal health care? was this measured before or after covid 19? do you have a minimum wage that you can live on?

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Already have.

Please list eight practical ways.

Already have listed several practical ways.

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Already have listed several practical ways.

Not very compelling as evidenced by the widespread support and implementation, but is shaming your only course of action after the deed is done?

BREAKING NEWS

Voice of America director RESIGNS!

https://www.voanews.com/usa/voa-dire...ouse-criticism

The dufus has effectively taken over the venerable agencies of freedom and made it his personal PR network.

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Already have listed several practical ways.

Those weren't practical.

To you they weren't, but you really don't care. Out of wedlock births are not even close to being important to you.

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To you they weren't, but you really don't care. Out of wedlock births are not even close to being important to you.

Stop the stupid shaming tactics! Your ways were moral but not practical. Let's do this: Let's whip up a list of practical ways to reduce poverty and improve employability.

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To you they weren't, but you really don't care. Out of wedlock births are not even close to being important to you.

They certainly are important, but as I said what do you do about it, and what do you do about them AFTER the deed has been done, which is often when it has become apparent, and sorry if I'm not entirely on board for the answers you gave to both questions.

MORE BREAKING NEWS

Berman steps down from Southern District of NY.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/polit...wn/ar-BB15JBXE

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Stop the stupid shaming tactics!

Remember...it's OK if it's true.

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Remember...it's OK if it's true.

You know darn well it isn't true.

Being unemployed and poor are only two of the huge incentives to forget one's problems and have some fun -- with babies resulting.

Berman did not step down and he won't until a replacement is appointed .

Breaking News UPDATE!

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/polit...wn/ar-BB15JBXE

In a feckless attempt to stop investigations of dufus sycophants AG Barr announced SDNY Geoffrey Berman was stepping down. Well 2 hours later Berman released a statement that he isn't going everywhere and investigations by his office will proceed without disruption. Looks like the dufus will have to fire him personally to protect his henchmen from going to jail.

Not content with the destruction of reminders of the CSA ,the American Jacobin ,Taliban is out to purge any reminders of the American founding ,and indeed the European migration to the Western hemisphere ;both of which they find illegitimate . The last couple of days we have seen the toppling of a statue of George Washington ;of Ulysses S Grant ,the very general that defeated the CSA . They toppled a statue of Junipero Serra ,who established the first Spanish mission in California . They toppled a statue of Francis Scott Key .

Chirlane McCray 1st lady of NYC and wife of Mayor Sandinista Bill; heading a new “Commission on Racial Justice and Reconciliation” ,will decide the fate of statues of Washington and Jefferson .Her authority to make these decisions will be expansive . She supposedly has Robert Moses in her cross hairs ,the man who designed and built much of the infrastructure of NYC and the state .

Names will be changed be it military forts named after Confederate Generals or sports teams like the Texas Rangers ,named after evidently a racist group of Texas vigilantes masquerading as law enforcement officers .

What you won't find toppled or disturbed in any way is this Seattle statue of Vladimir Lenin.
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You know darn well it isn't true.

I think it is. I think you couldn't care less, and I say that because you never bring it up. You might respond if someone else refers to it, but it never originates with you. But hey, tell me that I'm wrong. Tell me that you're greatly concerned about it. I'd be happy to know that.

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Being unemployed and poor are only two of the huge incentives to forget one's problems and have some fun -- with babies resulting.

Unemployment and poverty were also big problems in 1960. They had no birth control pill and birth control was more cumbersome, and yet the out of wedlock birth rate was about 1/10 of what it is now. Your argument is not sensible. To blame it on poverty and unemployment ignores history. By that approach, out of wedlock births would have EXPLODED during the Great Depression. That did not happen, so how do you explain that? The truth is, you have it backwards. Out of wedlock births lead to poverty, not the other way around.

The great change has had nothing to do with poverty or unemployment. Social beliefs have changed. It used to be scandalous to be pregnant out of wedlock. Now it's celebrated and supported by federal subsidies. Families used to be a great deal more intact than they are now. We used to honor the teachings of the Bible. Now they are ridiculed. Marriage used to be held as valuable. Now it's just another institution waiting to be destroyed by the left. Men used to be responsible. Now the world is just there for our enjoyment and that includes women. There used to be some mystery about sex. Now it's just another activity in life. Movies used to be pretty clean. Now they are vulgar and crude. All of those factors have contributed, but the first four are primary.