This Russia Probe was and is pure junk! There needs to be a PROBE of how and why the Russia Probe even began.....and when they identify the starter of it, throw that person in jail! The damn thing was financed by Hillary Clinton, for God's sake! And the "STEELE" dossier is pure, fetid garbage.

When you dig down into it, the FBI paid Russians U.S. $$$s to get them to make up stories about Russia dealing with Trump! How ridiculously ridiculous can you possibly get? And Mueller himself is the embodiment of the OPPOSITE OF THE MIDAS TOUCH: Everything Mueller has ever touched has always turned to so much sewage....along with being a bumbling, stumbling, incompetent, and nearly incoherent speaker, Mueller is a CURSE, on himself and anyone around him.

Really nice right wing loony rant! Let me know when you read the report. Are you following the court cases? I didn't think so!

Talaniman: I AM NOT RIGHT WING! Just seeing a lot of misuse of tax money on a rabbit hole of nothingness. What court cases? I know about the "Process Charges" against General Flynn that put an American patriotic veteran in jail on a trick play by the FBI.....I know about the stupid and silly case against Roger Stone, too: More of nothing. And, BTW, its really best that Mueller and the rest of the hooligans he hired for millions of tax dollars didn't try to make a public scene with Roger Stone: Stone is just too sharp for them, he'd make them look like idiots.

Mueller is not a mental giant, far from it....but, I will concede: When there is nothing to make a case around, there is nothing to make a case around!

Doesn't it strike you as a least bit odd that Mueller found ZERO with a Russia and Trump connection? And he ended up chasing "other" avenues because the one that he was assigned to investigate, his primary target, which was COLLUSION, was a big nothing burger. From the Fisa Warrants to the Hillary funded Steele Dossier to the total lack of anything in the investigation makes you wonder if this wasn't just an attempted COUPE after all.

I know that Trump sounded crazy when he said that he thought that the Obama Administration was spying on him during the campaign, I even thought he was crazy.....and Obama immediately denied it.....but, guess what: Low and behold, the FBI WAS SPYING ON THE 2016 TRUMP CAMPAIGN.....All this makes me want to see this bunch of underhanded cabal PROSECUTED!

FBI overreach should concern you, too, Talaniman, even if it is against someone you deem to be despicable, like Trump: Whether you like someone or you don't, you cannot customize or culture justice to persecute a citizen of the U.S.....Justice must be applied universally, equally, and unbiasedly or the system will break down and the nation will break down....I know you agree with me on that point!

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Justice must be applied universally, equally, and unbiasedly or the system will break down and the nation will break down....I know you agree with me on that point!

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Sounds good on paper but when will it become reality? Start with the dufus in chief, whose lawless administration is built on fear, hate, and lies that you parrot rather well for some one who isn't a right wing lunatic and sycophant. You never mentioned any of his stuff in your rant. Or that Mueller had recouped the tens of millions stolen by Paul Manafort.

You aren't disturbed by another loony that proves once again that good guys with a guns isn't the answer to a bad guy with a gun? 7 dead in Odessa, Tx. many wounded. Yeah, you love your guns, but so do loons and criminals and homicidal maniacs. So exactly when do innocent victims get justice?

Talaniman: I will state again, for the record, I am NOT RIGHT WING! Please, don't label me...I don't ever label you and will not ever. I am Libertarian. I recognize, adhere to, and support the elements GUARANTEED to U.S. Citizens in the U.S. Constitution.

The Russia Investigation had only the most limited successes and, yes, I did forget to say that Mueller and company caught one crook, Manafort, I will agree with you on that....Manafort is a filthy crook.....but past that what did they catch while fishing and, more importantly, did they have a license to fish for what they caught in the first place? I will say that, long term, it will be proven that the whole investigation will be "investigated" and a lot of maneuvers will be found to be questionable and likely illegal....and there is probably a good chance Manafort may walk free because of these tactics....yes, a truly guilty man walking free because the law was "bent".

Do you not think that it is just a little bit curious that Mueller was asked to look at COLLUSION and found none but ventured way off his defined path in an attempt to find "something" to impugn Trump? Its like paying a doctor to take out your gall bladder and he can't so he goes ahead and takes out a kidney, instead. It show weakness is the entire basis and premise for the case and, also, a certain desperation in those that oppose Trump.

Facts are facts: If there is evidence of a crime committed, then there is reason to open an investigation.....However, you cannot name an investigation and then begin to look for a crime being committed. Remember: Its ready, aim, fire! Not ready, fire, aim! BIG DIFFERENCE!

If there was any COLLUSION at all, it was between Hillary Clinton, Steele, and paying RUSSIANS to provide stories on Trump to use against him in the 2016 Campaign. In fact, that is disgusting.

Furthermore, we can not allow the FBI to run all over hell and creation asking for U.S. District Judges to issue FISA Warrants so they can spy on U.S. citizens any damn time they feel the urge. If you think illegally spying on Trump is O.K., what are you going to think when they do the same to a paragon of the left or, maybe, you or your children!

A violent person cannot be controlled unless you do what Texas Law Enforcement did to the guy in Odessa and that is kill him dead: That guarantees he will never be violent again.

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You are the one doing the labeling. "I am Libertarian". You claim not to be right-wing, yet libertarian is a subset of right-wing.

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The Russia Investigation had only the most limited successes and, yes, I did forget to say that Mueller and company caught one crook, Manafort, I will agree with you on that....Manafort is a filthy crook.....but past that what did they catch ..............................[skip]..............................................y man walking free because the law was "bent".

Do you not think that it is just.........[skip]................ to impugn Trump? Its like paying a doctor to take out your gall bladder and he can't so he goes ahead and takes out a kidney, instead. It show weakness is the entire basis and premise for the case and, also, a certain desperation in those that oppose Trump.

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Your rant is sadly lacking in specifics. Hence, my "skips" to save space.

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I couldn't agree more. You need to present those facts.

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If there is evidence of a crime committed, then there is reason to open an investigation.....However, you cannot name an investigation .....[skip].......Remember: Its ready, aim, fire! Not ready, fire, aim! BIG DIFFERENCE!

If there was ..........[skip, skip, skip]...........ldren!

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Please, more FACTS, less rant.

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You're missing the essential point. It's not about what is to be done AFTER the guy is caught! It's about preventing it BEFORE the guy goes on a rage.

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only on some issues like economics .On social issues libertarian philosophy leans "left " and the swing towards the "left " by the libertarian movement grows .Noam Chomsky describes himself as a libertarian socialist . And he is not alone inside the libertarian movement .

Athos: I wasn't labeling anything, I was making sure everyone knew I was not Right Wing.

The Mueller Persecution Investigation is a travesty and a tragedy and a stain on this country and the Justice System....I cannot begin to describe every single detail of where it went off the tracks other than that it was entirely built upon a falsified premise of a made-up story that was paid for/sponsored by non-other than Hillary Clinton who paid RUSSIANS for stories (hence there is you COLLUSION!).....NOWT THAT IS A FACT!

Keep attacking Trump through ILLEGAL means if you want to feel pain later on....He will end up using your own weapons against you and you will not like it....The CABAL THAT WAS THE OBAMA FBI AND CIA FIFTH COLUMN IS BEING EXPOSED, ITS MEMBERS ROUTED OUT, AND ITS POWER DECIMATED (i.e. DEEP STATE) so that power is fading fast while Trump's power is gaining nd, simultaneously, his opponents "secret society's power" is waning....A.G. Barr is like a hound dog sniffing out their hiding places and he is about to make the careers short lived. Remember, TRUMP IS TAKING CONTROL OF THE COURTS AND YOU CANNOT STOP HIM! The Supreme Court is about to take an extreme hard turn to the right, just ANOTHER FACT, with the demise of Ginsburg....and Trump has done more to fill U.S. District Courts than any POTUS before him and this, alone, will have a lasting impact on the Judicial architecture of the land: The left needs to watch its step or they will suffer consequences that no Congress, Senate, or, even, Executive gains will be able to wash away for many decades. The COURTS SCARE THE PURE HELL OUT OF THE LEFT and everyone knows it.

The 2nd Amendment is here to stay: People that have guns are not going to give them up because a few weirdos shoot up the place now and then....no one is taking guns away, and the left is not going to gain votes because they keep standing with this cause. TIME TO FACE FACTS: The American people love guns, by and large! More people love them than not. You can scream all you want but you aren't changing the minds of those that have guns: The left is beating a dead horse on this subject.

The left wants to talk Impeachment? They will IMPEACH themselves! If the left wants to really get their asses shellacked in 2020, they should do the Impeachment thing! No CNN or other media assistance will help them cover up that gapping wound and Trump will waltz into the end zone with another four years. Since when did you impeach someone because you don't like their positions on certain subjects? There are no legs for this, whatsoever.

I'm not Right or left, just down the middle, but when I see one side doing things legally, by the book, and the other side doing it illegally, who do you think I am going side with on these legal matters? At some point, its not only a legal position but, also, an ethical position: Every man must stand for what's right, otherwise he becomes a dog.

Nixon's relection committee ,without his knowledge broke in the Democrat hqs to tap a single phone (used to hire prostitutes from a nearby call girl business ).He was brought down in disgrace .

The emperor's White House ,with his full knowledge ,used the FBI to not only surveil the opposing party's nominee ;but also placed a mole into the campaign (Stefan Halper ) . They concocted a cover story about collusion with the Russian .

You sure you guys aren't right wingers? How come I find a bunch of rightwing sites spouting the same things that you posted here?

Talaniman: This is news for those that read and listen, its public knowledge...don't need Right Wing sites to tell us these things.

As for Tomder55's example of Nixon: Nixon was demonized by the left from the time that he almost singlehandedly exposed the entire Soviet conspiracy with the U.S. and the State Department, with Alger Hiss in Roosevelt's State Department negotiating with the Russians during Yalta when he was a communist spy! The left hated Nixon for this: they hated a man who was a patriot and idolized a man who was a foreign spy because that spy was a communist who was closer to their beliefs! DISGUSTING! When Watergate came along, some 25 years later, the leftist cabal got their revenge on an American patriot.

Obama knew about the surveillance of the Trump Campaign and he did nothing to stop it: How is this not criminal? Why does he get a pass? Why isn't this being investigated with great gusto?

I don't care if you are Right or left, when you see criminal acts within the government, no matter whom they are committed by, why doesn't it concern you? Why don't you want justice? Justice knows no political affiliation....or, at least, its not supposed to be that way.

Oh come on, Vac7, Nixon's own party turned against him. They refused to condone his lies and tactics.

Not to speak of the 22,000 American dead as a direct result of Nixon sabotaging the 1968 peace talks so he could win the election on an anti-war platform. He then proceeded to bomb Laos and Cambodia until he knew he couldn't win in Vietnam so he agreed to peace conditions which were the same he sabotaged. Some patriot!

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Now we can see if the democrats will be similarly honest.

Hey JL, missed ya face around the place. Just a small correction though, it's up to repubs to find a way to reign in thier own...AGAIN!

I was referring to the democrat House doing something about the illegal activities of Mr. Obama.

Another thing repubs failed to do when they had power all those years? Now settle down while we try to get the dufus.

Talaniman: Nixon WAS A PATRIOT.....there can be little doubt about his contributions to routing out communists where he found them as a founding member of HUAC....say what you will but that committee took the steam out of the reds here in the U.S. Also, Nixon was right about bombing North Vietnam: How do we know? Red Generals confirmed that they were ready to sue for peace when the U.S. stopped because of leftist pressure on Nixon back home.....THAT WAS A REAL DASTARDLY THING TO DO! Vietnam was a DEMOCRAT PARTY issue that Nixon was trying to win....but the DEMOCRATS never intended to really win it in the first place.

Nixon had the nads to keep going with the Watergate persecution of him but it was the GUTLESS REPUBLICAN IN BOTH THE HOUSE AND SENATE who wouldn't back him up: PURE COWARDS! As a result, the left was able to run around proclaiming victory for six years and fouling up foreign policy around the globe.

You can dream all you want to but the reality will be much, much different than your dreams: You are not going to GET Trump....ain't happening....he will GET the left and but good. When the left decided to take the low-road with him and the illegal activities they embarked upon, they sealed their own fate: Trump won't be fooled again and he won't forget. This President is unlike any that came before him, so there is no yardstick to judge him by: Just know that THE LEFT SCREWED UP.

Nixon and his VP were crooks! Just like the dufus!

Talaniman: Nixon was not a crook.....What was he convicted of, what charge? Guy was a Saint compared to Bill Clinton WHO WAS CONVICTED OF PERJURY AND WAS IMPEACHED BY CONGRESS.

When you compare Richard Nixon against Bill Clinton and Al Gore, the contrasts are startling: Richard Nixon lost the 1960 Presidential Election to Kennedy, fair and square....when his party wanted him to protest the election, Nixon refused and said he wouldn't do it because it wasn't good for the country....Now, flip forward to the 2000 Election: Al Gore loses the Presidential Election, fair and square....what does Al Gore do? Gore then contests the election, after first conceding, and drags the country through the mud for two months in a failed mission. now, flip around to Bill Clinton and the Monica Lewinsky Scandal: Bill Clinton lies and commits perjury, get convicted, and gets Impeached by Congress but doesn't have the decency to leave office....Contrast that to Nixon who is threatened with Impeachment, but doesn't want to put the nation through that misery, and he leaves office of his own will.

Any way you cut it, Nixon was a man about everything he did compared to the Bubba of Clinton or the maker of the internet Al Gore.....NO COMPARISON!

And, BTW, where is Trump's conviction, since you want to call him a criminal? He doesn't have any criminal conviction past or present.....and he won't be convicted of any because he committed no crimes......And, besides, he is fixing to gain even firmer control of the Supreme Court, too: HE IS GOLDEN AND NOBODY WILL TOUCH HIM!

I am not Right Wing nor left wing but Libertarian...however, it is easy for me to see which side is dirty in all of this and I can only hope that justice prevails against those who have tried to defecate upon the U.S. Constitution!

Well what would you call a fellow who ran a scam charity, and a scam university, and had to pay millions in fines and court settlements, and was banned from ever having anything to do with charity work for life?

Talaniman: I don't know about any of what you speak of here, didn't hear about any of this. Must ask, why was Trump not charged and convicted? I know I would be put under the jail for something like that, for sure.

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Talaniman: I don't know about any of what you speak of here, didn't hear about any of this.

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That you admit to not knowing about what Tal has mentioned is a big problem that is apparent in your posts. At least you're honest about not knowing.

To help you, The Trump Foundation scam, a 501(c)3 charity, was shut down for using donated money and its charitable funds for Trump's personal expenses including his campaign.

Trump University was another outright scam that Trump was forced to pay $25 million in fines to settle claims against the fraud. This was also one of Trump's more notorious racist blurbs when he accused the presiding judge of incompetence because the judge's ancestors were from Mexico.

These both had tremendous media coverage - right, left and center - so I'm surprised you never heard of any of this.

It was all over the FAKE NEWS.

https://www.theamericanconservative....-scam-charity/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...zed/502387002/

But there is a good question why has he not been charged?

O.K., I remember the issue with the Judge who was of Mexican ancestor heritage: That was entirely uncalled for, I will admit, there was no need for him to open his mouth about that, even if he thought it was true.....and I doubt a judge would jeoparidize his reputation with a bias decision in such a spotlight case, either. I would like to think that Trump said these things out of anger: When you bring race into any issue, it dilutes the issues and diverts attention away from what really should be the center of attention. I have absolutely NO TIME for racism and never did.

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He reached an plea agreement like rich guys tend to do, and avoided a court prosecution, before a jury.

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O.K., I remember the issue with the Judge who was of Mexican ancestor heritage: That was entirely uncalled for, I will admit, there was no need for him to open his mouth about that, even if he thought it was true.....and I doubt a judge would jeoparidize his reputation with a bias decision in such a spotlight case, either. I would like to think that Trump said these things out of anger: When you bring race into any issue, it dilutes the issues and diverts attention away from what really should be the center of attention. I have absolutely NO TIME for racism and never did.

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At least you acknowledge this one incident for what it was, but his anger is fueled by his hatred of being judged by one he considers lesser, and not qualified based on his color/culture.

That wasn't the first time he brought race into an issue. Anger or not, he has a history of racist policy and practice, and not just angry words, that goes back decades.

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Trump's real estate business renting apartments in New York City was charged by the government for discriminating against African-Americans - refusing to rent to them. He was fined and agreed to stop discriminating. However, they caught him a second time and he was fined again.

Applications from African-Americans were marked with a big "C" for colored. This was a long-term practice and hardly done out of a brief anger - an anger from racism is more like it. This is in case you missed this one, too.

I suggest you take it upon yourself to learn what racism is - not only the most obvious kind, but the more subtle institutional kind that is widely prevalant. Trump is a master at dog-whistle racism, an often ambiguous slander that allows him to backtrack saying "I was only kidding".

Athos: Good point....I am heeding and will become more observant of what you are talking about! I am oblivious to obvious things at times (just ask my wife!:)). As a Southern Gentleman, and seeing it first hand, racism has always been more up front and obvious, and there was never much thought given to disguise it by those that perpetrated it....Again, point well taken!

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Athos: Good point....I am heeding and will become more observant of what you are talking about! I am oblivious to obvious things at times (just ask my wife!:)). As a Southern Gentleman, and seeing it first hand, racism has always been more up front and obvious, and there was never much thought given to disguise it by those that perpetrated it....Again, point well taken!

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And a good point from you.

Agreed that the South has been less needful of "hiding" its racism compared to the rest of the country where racism has often become institutionally embedded, often paying lip service to equality.

It is to be hoped that in the great national experiment that is America we will all learn how to truly treat each other without counting ethnicity or race.

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Don't you think that is a forelorn hope when after 150 years you still haven't solved the problem. Reality is that people on this Earth live where they do for a reason and it is difficult for them to thrive on another part of the planet, they are continually called back to their roots

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So true. The reality is that millions of them came to America seeking freedom and opportunity. It was difficult for all the immigrants, and it got easier over time as they and later generations became assimilated. It's still a work in progress.

Some groups REFUSE to assimilate and they form enclaves inside their host nations....and sometimes the host nations allow these enclaves to practice their own "laws" and create/generate constant chaos (i.e. FRANCE)!

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No groups have ever formed their own laws within their enclaves in the USA. You might say the Mormons, but the feds put a stop to that.

As to assimilation, the Irish assimilated almost overnight, probably because they spoke the language. The Germans, the largest single immigrant group, moved to the middle part of the country away from the coastal cities helping them to do their own thing. The Italians took a bit longer probably because more of their men returned to Italy than stayed. Who can blame them? Italy is a beautiful country that has everything (except work in the immigrant days). The Jews still find themselves being abused every so often, but that's a separate story.

African-Americans have the most unique history of all the groups, so their story is different from all the others.

Currently, the Hispanic world is doing the immigrant thing and prospering.

So the experiment continues. The road will never be smooth, but there is a road.

Why do we have to assimilate? Can we just be law biding hard working citizens and do our own thing?

Athos: You are the only man I have ever heard that knew the Germans were the largest ethnic group in the U.S.! I said that the other day and the group looked at me like I had two heads!

Talaniman: I guess you could live without being assimilated.....but I think it makes it harder.....and, as you and I know, life itself is hard enough without engaging more hardships. I do think that homogeneity is important in a nation: Not necessarily that everyone is part of a homogeneous population (say China minus the Uyghurs) but homogenous in language and appreciation of the fabric and national identity of the nation......that makes a country, by definition, more inclusive of all citizens.

In the U.S., the continued politics of division and the identification on every government document of RACE is revolting to me: We are NEVER going to progress as long as we continue these practices.....its sickening and it has to stop! If you want everyone to be treated equal, then STOP asking every damned citizen what race they are on every damned document! Now, THAT IS A RANT, SORRY BUT THIS ONE MAKES MY BLOOD BOIL!