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Yes, Tutty, I was going to get to that point eventually.

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Sure you were.

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Apparently some think you can't yell "Fire" in a crowded theater but you can threaten to kill the president

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If she threatened the president then that's law enforcement's job to address, but there was no threat involved.

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it's OK if the president is part of the other political party then the one they support.

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Which of us ever condoned threatening to kill the president? Hmmm???? Either put up or shut up. Meanwhile enjoy some real hate:

‘Piece of Sh** Should Die’: 10 of the Most Vile and Virulent Responses to President Bush’s Heart Surgery | TheBlaze.com

Bill Maher Sorry the Assassination Attempt on Cheney Failed


Bill Maher Wants To Celebrate Cheney's Death

See... the US is full of people who hate. Quite sad to see, but glad I'm not part of it.

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See... the US is full of people who hate. Quite sad to see, but glad I'm not part of it.

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In other words, you're shutting up now. Too bad we aren't as tolerant as you.

'Get Out Of J'lem Or You're Dead' Isn't Hate Crime - Global Agenda - News - Israel National News

Burning Jews Not a Hate Crime in Canada

Hahhaha... CanadaFreePress is a kook site not even written by Canadians. You'll believe anything if it fits your agenda.
But I see that you believe in hate crime laws so that's good.

yep they hate to be beaten

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Sure you were.



If she threatened the president then that's law enforcement's job to address, but there was no threat involved.



Which of us ever condoned threatening to kill the president? Hmmm???? Either put up or shut up. Meanwhile enjoy some real hate:

'Piece of Sh** Should Die': 10 of the Most Vile and Virulent Responses to President Bush's Heart Surgery | TheBlaze.com

Bill Maher Sorry the Assassination Attempt on Cheney Failed


Bill Maher Wants To Celebrate Cheney's Death

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Actually I had this in mind this:

" The US. Supreme Court has held that government may not prohibit free speech that advocates illegal or subversive activity unless 'such advocacy is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action that is likely to incite or produce such action' "


legal dictionary/free dictionary.com

And Tut, I believe I said if there were an actual threat then law enforcement should get involved, so what's the discrepancy in your position and mine?

NK, you're brilliance is astounding. I am in awe of your awesomeness.

speech it is always a question of jurisdiction, a threat against the president involves the Secret Service so stand aside and let the g-men do their job

Yes, that changes my answer how? The Secret Service is a law enforcement agency.

there was no threat .

No there wasn't a threat.

Meanwhile, you just can't make this stuff up. A guy who championed NY's SAFE act violated the law by carrying his permitted gun into a school, causing a lock down and his buddies defend him, saying his presence with a gun could have saved students if there were a real problem. Gee, that argument sounds familiar.

Associates defend man who had gun in school - City & Region - The Buffalo News

you really have to get a grip on this gun thing

I have grips on my guns.

Guns arn't the answer, they never were, they didn't protect you in 1812 and they don't protect you today

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And yet that's exactly the point made by associates of the guy in the article who wanted stricter gun control laws while violating them.

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In an ironic turn of events, Ferguson was charged with two counts of criminal possession of a weapon under that law for Thursday’s incident. The law carries a maximum sentence of up to four years in state prison.

Some gun advocates opposed to the SAFE Act have argued that the law actually makes schools less safe since law-abiding handgun owners cannot possess their weapons on school grounds, while mass murderers have never heeded laws making schools gun-free zones.

Ferguson held a New York State licensed pistol permit, but that makes no difference under the law.

“The more they make these gun-free zones, the more they make people vulnerable to mass killers like at Columbine and Sandy Hook,” said Stephen J. Aldstadt, a Colden resident who serves as president of the state Shooters Committee on Political Education.

Some of Ferguson’s supporters echoed similar criticism, saying that carrying a weapon meant Ferguson could have helped police in the event there was a gunman actually threatening students.

“Dwayne probably was in a position to help the police not knowing that he was the one they were looking for,” said George Johnson, president of Buffalo United Front,

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And then there's this.

Home Invasion Attempt Stopped By Woman WIth A Shotgun - Los Angeles Local News | FOX 11 LA KTTV

You worry about your country, leave my rights alone

Things You Should NOT Do In Public - iVillage

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No there wasn't a threat.

Meanwhile, you just can't make this stuff up. A guy who championed NY's SAFE act violated the law by carrying his permitted gun into a school, causing a lock down and his buddies defend him, saying his presence with a gun could have saved students if there were a real problem. Gee, that argument sounds familiar.

Associates defend man who had gun in school - City & Region - The Buffalo News

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Just in the interests of good journalism.

As far as the report in the paper is concerned there was only ONE person actually supporting the Shooters' Committee on Political Education. The other quotes don't actually support that position.

not the point I was making Speech, the number of times carrying a gun has averted an incident is few, knowing there was an armed population didn't frighten the British off. If you are not allowed to carry guns in some places this does not breach your constitutional rights. The whole point is to keep guns out of the hands of F**kwits who think they are the law as well as keeping them out of the hands of nuts, crims, kids, in fact anyone who doesn't have a legitimate reason to have one, therefore the ID of gun owners should be checked regularly and their storage checked also

If this represents what you call a "few" then can I get a "few" dollars from you?

Private Guns Stop Crime 2.5M Times A Year In US

Interesting statistics I suppose you will tell me next that the 30000 people who lose their lives in gun violence every year are the perps and not the victims. You are in deniel, the level of gun violence in your society correlates to the level of gun ownership, the more guns they more gun violence, not less. What you are also telling me is you need 250 million guns to prevent 2.5 million crimes, I would say the deterrent isn't very effective as the effectiveness is only 1%.

You know the crimes guns don't prevent, drug distribution, driveby shootings, fraud but what they enable is mass murder. You want to rid the world of WMD, I say you start with guns

Got anything more recent and maybe without extrapolating?

I give you the facts Tal, you can check them for yourself

I was referring to CDAD's link.

Here is another that supports it and is only 1 year old.

How Many Times A Day Are Guns Used In Self Defense? | Extrano's Alley, a gun blog

Here is the Cato institute talking about how guns can prevent crime.

How Guns Stop Crimes | Cato Institute

'If this represents what you call a "few" then can I get a "few" dollars from you?'

An academic paper based on a telephone survey of 4,970 people, based on a recount of events in the previous 12 months??

I think there is a fair bit of room for doubt there.

Come on tutt you know about statistics, that is a statistically significant sample in a small population, and with the brilliant mathemeticians they have over there they can extropolate "whatever" from it, Now what we don't know is what questions were asked but we can be sure of the outcome they were looking for. I wonder what the confidence interval was and was it NRA sponsored?

Breaking new, Bonehead gets her done.

House Passes 'Clean' Debt Limit Bill After Republicans Capitulate

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Republicans had threatened to at least try to attach some other measure to the hike, but capitulated Tuesday after they were unable to agree on specific demands. Having weighed proposals last week to link the debt ceiling rise to repeal of Obamacare's risk corridors provision or approval of the Keystone XL pipeline, House GOP leaders were prepared on Monday to tie the increase to restoring recent cuts of military retirement benefits.
But by Tuesday morning, even that plan lacked enough Republican support, and Boehner acknowledged to reporters that it had been difficult getting his members to coalesce around a plan.

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That's one way to get a clean bill.

you mean you actually got a bill with no staples, a win for democracy there

He's a pu$$y sell out . His OWN rule was no debt ceiling deal without offsetting cuts . The whole Repubic leadership needs to be voted out .

Cutting government spending without raising revenues (closing loopholes?) is unfair, unequal, and unbalanced. Especially given house republicans could not agree on a clear strategy.

and having endless increases in spending ,financed by debt is irresponsible . and why is cutting spending "unfair " when the government budget is bloated ;and can easily be trimmed without causing hardship ? The problem here is that the goverment ,and both political parties are so wedded into being a massive out of control leviathan that it cannot conceive another way .

That's an extremely simplistic view considering the cost of everything is rising, and the wages are stagnant, while profits soar at record levels. And the rivers and streams get more polluted everyday. Soaring rhetoric, or fighting to the death to shrink government doesn't address any of the real issues, just makes the problems worse.

Endless delays of your greatest "achievement" doesn't do much for us, but then fixing things is never you lobs strong suit. You talk a good game and then screw it up completely for everyone.

so we need a new model for civilization, since this one isn't sustainable. However the medicine is hard to take, rampant individualism must give way. But you don't have to wait long, your stock market will trim your budget for you, when it collapses you will have to change your ways, those bonds the fed is buying will become worthless

Just curious, when is the media going to start identifying Democrats behaving badly as Democrats like they do Republicans - even having been assumed to behave badly?

First Take: Ex-New Orleans mayor Nagin convicted

Nope, no mention of party affiliation on CNN either. But you can be damn sure everyone know Christie, guilty of nothing so far, is a Republican.

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Just curious, when is the media going to start identifying Democrats behaving badly as Democrats like they do Republicans - even having been assumed to behave badly?

First Take: Ex-New Orleans mayor Nagin convicted

Nope, no mention of party affiliation on CNN either. But you can be damn sure everyone know Christie, guilty of nothing so far, is a Republican.

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I don't know if it is just this forum, but the level of journalism posted here (for the most part anyway) reflects a media that doesn't recognise any civic responsibility.

I guess you are pointing to a type of inevitability. That is, one group will eventually take the upper hand in the propaganda war.

well speech when the democrats behave as badly as the 'publicans no doubt they will pick up on it, but them dem's haven't tried to shut down the country yet. You know that when the media are agin you, you are on a hiddin to nothing. So rather than shoutin about it, same navel gazzin is called fur. The problem is; you touched peoples money, you touched their livlihood and they don't easily forget, and what is this all about, afterall it is just a structural adjustment in the health insurance industry, and you had better get used to structural adjustments, there are going to be a lot of them. Had a look at some of your long term employment statistics and they don't bode well

really ? Juan Cofield, president of the New England Area Conference of the NAACP compared a kidnapping and sexual assault by Democrat State Rep. Carlos Henriquez to jay walking . I kid you not . He refused to resign and conducted his work if the state House while in jail. He is also he is son of Sandra Henriquez Assistant Secretary for Public and Indian Housing for the Obama administration. The NAACP chapter itself sent a letter to the lawmakers urging them to abstain from voting on the expulsion.
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About 4:24AM on Sunday, July 08, 2012, Officer Kamel assigned to D448A unit responded to a radio call from North Eastern Police for a female held against her will at 21 Forsyth St, Boston.
Officer McCarthy who was assigned to the D43PA unit also responded for assistance. Upon arrival Officer Kamel spoke with the victim (Gonzalves) who was being evaluated by EMT Beckett and EMT Anderson in Ambulance A2. Ms. Gonzalves who appeared to be agitated and crying at the time informed Officer Kamel that the suspect (Henriquez) had picked her up at about 2:00am that morning from her mother's home which is located at REDACTED, Arlington MA.
Ms. Gonzalves stated that the suspect (Henriquez) told her that he wanted to talk about their friendship. Ms. Gonzalves also informed Officer Kamel that the suspect (Henriquez) who was operating a grey Zip Car possibly a Toyota had kept Ms. Gonzalves against her will in the Zip Car while driving around in downtown Boston, Starbow Drive and the freeway refusing to stop. Ms. Gonzalves continued and stated that Mr. Henriquez had yelled at her in previous incidences. Ms. Gonzalves further stated that Mr. Henriquez had punched her with a closed fist repeatedly and strangled her while she was in the motor vehicle.
Ms. Gonzalves stated that every time she attempted to jump out of the car the suspect (Henriquez) grabbed her wrists to prevent her from jumping out of the motor vehicle. Ms. Gonzalves also stated that she had to jump but from the moving motor vehicle and ran to a building where she spoke with North Eastern Police Sgt. Boyd locate at about 21 Forsyth St. Soon responding Boston Police Officers did observe scuffs on Ms. Gonzalves right shin and multiple bruises on her arms and wrists. Ms. Gonzalves refused further medical attention at the time. Gonzalves realized that she left her right sandal behind as she jumped out of the MV.
Gonzalves was noticeably upset and shaken up.
Officer McCarthy transported the victim (Gonzalves) to her home located at [redacted] in Somerville, Ma based on her wishes.
About 6:26AM, Officer Kamel did call the victim via district D Phone. Ms. Gonzalves was more open and stated to Officer Kamel that she and the suspect had an intimate relationship about a month ago. Ms. Gonzalves further stated that they were friends at the time that he picked her up. Ms. Gonzalves further stated that she had to go back home because her mother had called her. Ms. Gonzalves further stated that the suspect (Henriquez) got angry with her and told her, "I came here all the way for that?" Ms. Gonzalves further informed Officer Kamel that when she was in his motor vehicle she had repeadely asked him to stop the car but he wouldn't. Ms. Gonzalves also stated that the suspect (Henriquez) took her phone from her and took the sim card and memory card from it. Ms. Gonzalves further stated that when she ran to the building and spoke with North Eastern Police she was under the impression that her phone does not work.
The D102A Officers Griffin and Burwell responded to the suspect's residence and place him under arrest for Kidnapping, two counts of Assault and battery 209A, intimidation of a witness and larceny from a person. Post Miranda warning Officer McCarthy asked Henriquez if he wished to answer any questions or to explain his side of the story and he refused to do so.

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Even though this case has been ongoing since July of 2012 .The national media has largely ignored this Democrat and NAACP war on women.

That's because it doesn't fit the agenda. The media and the left don't care about the "core values" they preach. They don't hate racism, intolerance, inequality, etc. - they hate conservatives. Period.