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I'm trying to protect babies and you call me a bully? Really Tal, put aside your ideology and think about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
P. S. We aren't the ones knowingly promoting a guy that is the antithesis of what we publicly proclaim just to win the election.
I don't think I've heard yet what will happen to that baby saved from abortion and who now is the 5th child of a single mom.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
When you tell a female she can't have an abortion because YOU don't like it. It's bullying. Its mighty presumptuous to assume you know what's best for another human being, because of your standards that apply just to you.
Yet you do just that. And if they refuse to comply, you make them by taking away their choice and leaving only your own. That's just wrong. You refuse to take no for an answer, or leave me alone with your ideas or beliefs.
You defend the unborn child, and I defend the poor and the children the choose to have. Write your governor and tell him to expand Medicaid, since he just signed a bill to stop poor females from having an abortion. That's the least you can do. Feed the kids and working poor parents.
Or a pregnant teen ager.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Or the first-time mother whose OB has just informed her that the amnio she had during the early part of her third trimester shows that her baby's brain never developed.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Or the two married Walmart workers with two kids already and the condom failed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Or the 14-year-old who was raped by her step-father and discovered she is pregnant.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Or the 17 year old staying with her boyfriend to escape her meth head parents.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Damn, I actually know all these girls :(
I hope they don't live in Texas or North Carolina (my home state, gack).Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Ditto.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Ditto.Quote:
Yet you do just that. And if they refuse to comply, you make them by taking away their choice and leaving only your own. That's just wrong. You refuse to take no for an answer, or leave me alone with your ideas or beliefs.
Don't talk to me about feeding the kids again, I do my part. I don't take from you to do my part which is the left's way.Quote:
You defend the unborn child, and I defend the poor and the children the choose to have. Write your governor and tell him to expand Medicaid, since he just signed a bill to stop poor females from having an abortion. That's the least you can do. Feed the kids and working poor parents.
I get it though, in the liberal world protecting a helpless 20 week old fetus and a poor woman from unsafe conditions and butchers is bad. Putting women in jeopardy from a sexual pervert for the cause is good.
The difference between you and me is I'm all about the sanctity, safety and dignity of the person, you're all about the politics.
Well so much for honest discussions. Pathetic.Quote:
The difference between you and me is I'm all about the sanctity, safety and dignity of the person, you're all about the politics.
Like you would know anything about honesty.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Hello again, Steve:
Seems to me, that supporting policies that FORCE a woman to have a BIG, HUGE vaginal PROBE stuck WAYYYY up inside them, in order to enjoy a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT, is ANYTHING but dignified..Quote:
I'm all about the sanctity, safety and dignity of the person, you're all about the politics.
Excon
I don't recall having ever said I was for FORCING "a woman to have a BIG, HUGE vaginal PROBE stuck WAYYYY up inside them" so you can drop that huge lie.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
But I am still interested in how running a known pervert that uses his position to prey on his female employees and women vets who were victims of sexual assault isn't a war on women and preserves the sanctity, safety and dignity of the constituency you're purportedly protecting.Or, how ignoring a known butcher "by design" does the same.
Hello again, Steve:
I don't know what's so hard to understand... ONE pervert does NOT make a war. A political party who makes anti women LAW, is a war.
And, you don't have to SAY you love those BIG HUGE vaginal probes to be stuck WAYYYY up inside women, but you DO support laws that force women to go through it. So, I ain't going to stop talking about it.
excon
Your assumption that we protect a pervert is a false one, as only now are the facts coming to light, and his republican opponents missed it too, because they sure never brought it up either.
Maybe we all got fooled. We miss a lot of sick evil bast@rds nowadays. You guys re elected Sanford, and Gov. Ultra Sound is still serving in Virginia, so you guys are as stupid a you say we are. There is a pretty good list on both sides, so throwing rocks while living in a glass house may not be a winning argument, and a bit self righteous.
I don't know what's so hard to understand either, not every woman is a Planned Parenthood protégé, many are anti-abortion a majority favor a ban at 20 weeks. You have them all lumped in one neat, little box instead of honoring their diversity.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
And on top of that you put the policy ahead of the women which I've demonstrated over and over, running a known pervert that uses his position to prey on his female employees and women vets who were victims of sexual assault, ignoring a known butcher "by design", objecting to standards that any other medical facility is required to adhere to for invasive procedures and allow for emergency access in just such cases as one of Gosnell's victims.
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CSU Officer John Taggart carefully photographed the narrow maze of hallways, stairs, and claustrophobic rooms filled with clutter, so much so that in some cases, one would have had to scoot sideways down the hallway past rows of chairs, empty water jugs, and other items to get from one part of the clinic to another.
Meanwhile, the abortion lobby continues to fight clinic regulations that would ensure emergency workers have gurney access to procedure rooms as if such rules are an outrageous demand meant to deny women their Constitutional rights. But the truth is that if Gosnell’s clinic had complied with such rules that have since been enacted in Pennsylvania, Karamaya Mongar, the immigrant that he is accused of killing during a second trimester abortion procedure, might still be alive today.
So spare me your policy argument, your side is just as guilty if not more so on that front.Quote:
“Indeed, the department has shown an utter disregard both for the safety of women who seek treatment at abortion clinics and for the health of fetuses after they have become viable. State health officials have also shown a disregard for the laws the department is supposed to enforce. Most appalling of all, the Department of Health’s neglect of abortion patients’ safety and of Pennsylvania laws is clearly not inadvertent: It is by design,” the report indicates.
Of all people who knew it would be Jack Nicholson to make my point about abortion and other life lessons...
I could not have put it better.Quote:
Hollywood legend Jack Nicholson, 76, who is retiring from movies it was reported today, is, unlike many liberals in Tinseltown, a staunch pro-lifer who said in a 1984 interview about abortion, “I’m positively against it. I don’t have the right to any other view."
He added that it was the moral character of his mother and grandmother that ensured he himself had not been aborted.
The Academy Award-winning Nicholson was born on Apr. 22, 1937 to a woman named June Frances Nicholson, who was 17 years old at the time and a showgirl dancer. Jack was raised by his maternal grandparents, John Nicholson and Ethel May, believing they were his real parents and that June Frances was his sister. Jack Nicholson did not find out until 1974, after his mother had died of cancer, that June Frances was his real mother.
In the 1984 Rolling Stone interview, Jack Nicholson described his mother and the life she had lived and also talked about abortion. He said, “I’m very contra my constituency in terms of abortion because I’m positively against it. I don’t have the right to any other view.”
“My only emotion is gratitude, literally, for my life,” said Nicholson. “If June and Ethel had been of less character, I never would have gotten to live. These women gave me the gift of life.”
“It’s a feminist narrative in the very pure form,” said Nicholson. “They trained me great, those ladies. I still, to this day, have never borrowed a nickel from anybody and never felt like I couldn’t take care of myself. They made the imperative of my self-sufficiency obvious."
Yes he does. Every one is allowed their opinion. The woman is the final decision maker of course.Quote:
I don’t have the right to any other view.”
That's his opinion, agree or disagree, but woman have a right to their choices and opinions, BY LAW.Quote:
I don't have the right to any other view.”
Are you a femenist, this scenario was played out a hundred years ago
This is not about laws, it's about life. Jack gets it.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
I don't see Jack running around telling others what to do, just that he is grateful for his life. You agree with him, but has nothing to do with the decisions of others.
A lot of pro life people believe in letting others make their own choices.
You keep saying that sort of thing as if we don't allow others to choose. a) We just happen to believe they should make an informed choice, there's a life on the line besides the mother's. b) I'm about changing hearts and minds, not forcing my will on others, that's what liberals do (while being blinded to their hypocrisy).Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Hello again, Steve:
Bwa, ha ha ha ha... Snicker, snicker... Steve, Steve, Steve...Quote:
b) I'm about changing hearts and minds, not forcing my will on others, that's what liberals do (while being blinded to their hypocrisy).
You ARE the one who supported the CLOSING down of abortion clinics in YOUR state because they didn't meet newly enacted trap laws DESIGNED to CLOSE the clinics..
That's NOT changing hearts and minds.. That's FORCING YOUR WILL ON OTHERS. And, you've got the balls to call US hypocrites...
Excon
Get back to me when you can find where I supported forcing abortion clinics to close. I support reasonable safety standards, you don't. If they can't meet them they SHOULD close. They have a year to comply, so you guys get together and help them out and everyone's happy (PP makes millions, I think they can afford to make sure women are safe).Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Get off the liberal stuff since its conservative lawmakers who have an agenda to stop all abortions no matter what. I have laid out my position many times and an informed decision starts a lot sooner than when you get in the situation you have to choose.
I mean its you guys who are willing to stop poor women from receiving health care, and get rid of planned parent hood just because a small part of their services are abortions. Sticking probes up their birth canal and biblical counseling may be your idea of informed choices, and restriction on their ability to act on their choices, and decisions, within reason and dignity are patently non existent. But we all know what happens ultimately when you don't listen to what women are saying they want and need.
You add to that the total ignorance of listening to poor working class people, mostly females with kids, we see your assaults on females rights, and obstruction crosses many lines and it's a wide ranging war not just on women, but poor, old, and young, and minorities.
But of course you live by the notion you know best what's good for everybody else. So I guess you feel no need to listen and accommodate, or in most cases, act on anything that compromises your so called principles no matter the discriminatory and exclusive nature of them.
On top of all of that crap, you conservatives send a very insulting and condescending message to others that you just don't care. Not you personally, as you have no more power than the average citizen, but conservative law makers who listen to the fringe right, and fear them.
And you and Ex just keep ignoring what I actually say and believe in favor of your preferred narrative. Get back to me when you're sincere about the discussion.
Hello again, Steve:
You're either being insincere or gullible if you think trap laws have ANYTHING to do with safety.Quote:
Get back to me when you're sincere about the discussion.
Personally, I DON'T think you're gullible.
Excon
You're the ones that call them trap laws. If unsafe clinics close so be it. If they want to be safe they'll find a way, but my position is based purely on the facts of the Gosnell case. Allowing clinics that perform medical procedures, especially those that can put lives at risk, to remain open with unsafe conditions is not acceptable to me, I really don't give a rat's a$$ if the law hoped to close abortion clinics or not. To me that seems like an area we could agree on but as I said, you guys put the policy ahead of the woman's safety.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
One Democrat war on women is at least temporarily halted. Bob Filthy Filner plead guilty to 3 counts, including one felony, rather than face the jury.
I think he was afraid of prison and I'm sure Dems didn't want a recounting of his follies in a trial.Quote:
Former San Diego Mayor Bob Filner was subdued from the moment he strode into the courtroom alone to answer charges that he put a woman in a headlock, kissed another against her will and grabbed the buttocks of a third.
"Guilty," he told a judge three times during a brief hearing before making a quiet exit and avoiding a throng of reporters.
It was a sharp contrast to a fiery resignation speech less than two months ago in which the city's first Democratic mayor in 20 years said he was the victim of a lynch mob and denied that his actions amounted to harassment.
Filner blamed his own shortcomings then but also said those failures were "ammunition" for city power brokers who pointed the gun and the news media that "pulled the trigger."
Filner, 71, did not comment on his behavior after pleading guilty Tuesday to one felony and two misdemeanors, but his attorney said the former mayor "profusely apologizes."
"I think he wants to redeem his original legacy, which was a wonderful one, and put this behind him," attorney Jerry Coughlan said.
Hello again, Steve:
Let's talk about the mythical war on Christians/Christmas. Getting to be that time again...
Bwo ho ho.
excon
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Originally Posted by excon
Maybe we can start with this one.
DOD Bars 50 Priests from Administering Sacraments, Locks Up Eucharist; Priest Sues | CNS News
DOD took this action because Hagel determined--after consulting with Attorney General Eric Holder's Justice Department--that civilian Catholic priests, working under contract as chaplains, did not, among other things, “contribute to the morale” and “well-being” of service personnel.
That's due to the Antideficiency Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia as mentioned in the article.
Ex that war is being fought out in many places. It will be fought on the streets of Sydney, it is being fought in Nigeria, Indonesia, India, Pakistan, the Middle East, North Africa. It is fought anywhere the Christian population is a minority.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Doesn't every minority feel downtrodden?
What is sad is when the majorities of the world are downtrodden
Explain with examples please for clarity, and better understanding of that concept.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Maybe this part wasn't clear enough to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
DOD has been prohibiting Father Leonard and the other Catholic priests from administering the sacraments and providing other services to their congregations even though two weeks ago Congress passed, and President Barack Obama signed, a law that instructed DOD to maintain on the job and keep paying contract employees who were supporting the troops. - See more at: DOD Bars 50 Priests from Administering Sacraments, Locks Up Eucharist; Priest Sues | CNS News
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