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  • Apr 10, 2013, 04:52 AM
    excon
    Hello again, dad:

    You bring up another issue that I haven't addressed, and that's people OTHER than felons, who should be in the database. It IS an issue, and I don't have an answer. Should your friend be put IN the database? You KNOW that once you're in there, you're NEVER coming out. Should people who got some therapy along the way be put IN the database? What about men who beat their wives? Should POT smokers, who've NEVER been convicted, be IN the database? Should drug addicts? Should alcoholics? What about autistic people? What about STRANGE people (like us)?

    These are PRIVATE matters between people and their caretaker, or family, or doctor... Should we REQUIRE that these people SNITCH?

    I don't have the answer. Until there is, I propose ONLY convicted FELONS be IN the database.

    excon
  • Apr 10, 2013, 05:12 AM
    speechlesstx
    That ship sailed in California. You go to the hospital for a little depression and they'll come confiscate your guns.
  • Apr 10, 2013, 05:33 AM
    excon
    Hello again, Steve:
    Quote:

    You go to the hospital for a little depression
    I'm skeptical that you get hospitalized for a "little" depression. So, I'm not as quick as you to say that they should KEEP their guns. Frankly, I know NOTHING about depression.

    But, if a ''little'' depression isn't enough for them to take your guns, what physiological malady IS? Or is there ANY?

    Excon
  • Apr 10, 2013, 07:00 AM
    speechlesstx
    It happened to Lynette Phillips who spent a whopping two days in a mental hospital, reportedly due to the effects of a medication.

    Quote:

    Quote:

    In an interview as agents inventoried the guns, Lynette Phillips said that while she’d been held involuntarily in a mental hospital in December, the nurse who admitted her had exaggerated the magnitude of her condition.

    Todd Smith, chief executive officer of Aurora Charter Oak Hospital in Covina, where documents provided by Phillips show she was treated, didn’t respond to telephone and e-mail requests for comment on the circumstances of the treatment.

    Phillips said her husband used the guns for recreation. She didn’t blame the attorney general’s agents for taking the guns based on the information they had, she said.

    “I do feel I have every right to purchase a gun,” Phillips said. “I’m not a threat. We’re law-abiding citizens.”

    No one was arrested. Most seized weapons are destroyed, Gregory said.

    “It’s not unusual to not arrest a mental-health person because every county in the state handles those particular cases differently,” Gregory said by e-mail. “Unless there’s an extenuating need to arrest them on the spot, we refer the case” to the local district attorney’s office, she said.

    Two days and marked for life, guns seized?
  • Apr 10, 2013, 07:03 AM
    excon
    Hello again, Steve:

    Well, if you're looking for me to defend a$$hole cops, you got the wrong guy.

    excon
  • Apr 10, 2013, 07:25 AM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, Steve:

    Well, if you're looking for me to defend a$$hole cops, you got the wrong guy.

    excon

    Hey... you know the routine all too well... give the government an inch and they want the next two miles as well.
  • Apr 10, 2013, 07:49 AM
    talaniman
    You could say that about any American including you and your conservative friends, and the center, and the left.
  • Apr 10, 2013, 07:52 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    You could say that about any American including you and your conservative friends, and the center, and the left.

    I don't want even want a mile, I'd prefer the government give us back all the miles they've taken from us.
  • Apr 10, 2013, 09:58 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    I don't want even want a mile, I'd prefer the government give us back all the miles they've taken from us.

    Starting with what happens at the airport when I take a flight back home to see my mom.
  • Apr 10, 2013, 10:04 AM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    I don't want even want a mile, I'd prefer the government give us back all the miles they've taken from us.

    How far back do we go for that?
  • Apr 10, 2013, 10:17 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    How far back do we go for that?

    At least pre-Obama. Shocking, I know.
  • Apr 10, 2013, 10:22 AM
    talaniman
    That's what I thought, even though this predates Obama by decades.
  • Apr 10, 2013, 01:08 PM
    cdad
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, dad:

    You bring up another issue that I haven't addressed, and that's people OTHER than felons, who should be in the database. What about men who beat their wives?


    I don't have the answer. Until there is, I propose ONLY convicted FELONS be IN the database.

    excon

    Im going to try to address the domestic violence one. If there is a restraining order against the person for domestic violence and a judge so orders then as of current law - They are on the list until the restraining order expires. If they have been convicted of domestic violence then as of current law they are on the list.

    The difference being that those with just a restraining order will be asked to forfeit their guns (the police will hold them for a fee) or sell them off etc. They will be on the no buy list until such time as the restraining order expires.

    A conviction is in a completely different area. That would include a trail etc and possible jail time as well.
  • Apr 11, 2013, 03:23 AM
    excon
    Hello again right wingers:

    Al Qaeda Video: American Muslims Should Buy Guns, Start Shooting People. Let me see. You're in bed with CRIMINALS and AL QAEDA. Doesn't sound like the right wing I know. The NRA has got you all tied up in knots...

    excon
  • Apr 11, 2013, 04:06 AM
    cdad
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again right wingers:

    Al Qaeda Video: American Muslims Should Buy Guns, Start Shooting People. Lemme see. You're in bed with CRIMINALS and AL QAEDA. Doesn't sound like the right wing I know. The NRA has got you all tied up in knots...

    excon


    I love how he asks them to buy fully automatic weapons. Can't wait to see how that goes over. Lol
  • Apr 11, 2013, 04:44 AM
    smoothy
    Obama is an Honoroary member of Al Qaeda. He got that along with his Nobel prize for doing nothing.
  • Apr 11, 2013, 04:51 AM
    excon
    Hello again, smoothy:

    Back to bumper stickers again, huh?

    I NOTICE you DIDN'T disagree with the terrorist. You apparently SUPPORT his right to buy guns. You're apparently FINE with criminals buying guns...

    Dude!

    excon
  • Apr 11, 2013, 05:02 AM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    Obama is an Honoroary member of Al Qaeda. He got that along with his Nobel prize for doing nothing.

    Sour grapes or is that sour gripes
  • Apr 11, 2013, 05:05 AM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, smoothy:

    Back to bumper stickers again, huh?

    I NOTICE you DIDN'T disagree with the terrorist. You apparently SUPPORT his right to buy guns. You're apparently FINE with criminals buying guns...

    Dude!

    excon

    I think Obama should give up his secret service protection since he seems to think the rest of us aren't entitled to our own protection from the criminal element. Or is he just another blowhard libtartd that thinks they are better then the rest of us.
  • Apr 11, 2013, 05:07 AM
    tomder55
    I see a hell fire from a drone in Adam Gadahn's future.
  • Apr 11, 2013, 05:08 AM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    sour grapes or is that sour gripes

    Don't like facts... do you...

    The prize in a McDonalds Happy Meal has more value than the Nobel prize does these days... because everyone with two brain cells knows he got that for doing absolutely nothing... and he still has done avbsolutely nothing that would merit it.

    And its also common knowledge Obama considers the Muslim horde his "brothers". He has said as much himself.
  • Apr 11, 2013, 05:12 AM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    Don't like facts...do you....

    The prize in a McDonalds Happy Meal has more value than the Nobel prize does these days....because everyone with two brain cells knows he got that for doing absolutely nothing.....and he still has done avbsolutely nothing that would merit it.

    And its also common knowledge Obama considers the Muslim horde his "brothers". He has said as much himself.

    What on earth are you on about?
  • Apr 11, 2013, 05:13 AM
    smoothy
    "I am a Muslim," Obama Tells Egyptian Foreign Minister Gheit Islamic Coup on the White House - Atlas Shrugs

    http://www.conservativecrusader.com/...th-the-muslims

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/...m_a_musli.html

    http://www.danielpipes.org/11952/obama-muslim-childhood
  • Apr 11, 2013, 05:15 AM
    paraclete
    Well I though this was a given no one educated in a muslim madrassa is not a muslim but it isn't a disqualifiaction for president
  • Apr 11, 2013, 05:17 AM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    well I though this was a given no one educated in a muslim madrassa is not a muslim but it isn't a disqualifiaction for president

    Being a bold faced liar IS...
  • Apr 11, 2013, 06:08 AM
    excon
    Hello again, smoothy:

    I'm NOT convinced yet. Gimme MORE bumper stickers... That'll do it.

    excon
  • Apr 11, 2013, 06:15 AM
    excon
    Hello again,

    So, I'm watching FOX.. I want to know what THEY think about the breakthrough that occurred last night... FOX and Friends is over, and the "REAL" news started.

    So, I'm waiting.. They're talking about the weather.. I wait some more, and they're talking with Paul Ryan about the budget. So, I wait some more, and they bring on Stuart Varney to talk about the FED... Oh, yeah.. Next they're going to talk about the parents who kidnapped their kids and headed to Havana...

    So, I don't know what's going on... Why aren't they discussing this? What does it mean?? Smoothy??

    excon
  • Apr 11, 2013, 06:32 AM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, smoothy:

    I'm NOT convinced yet. Gimme MORE bumper stickers... That'll do it.

    excon

    You worship "the Messiah"... that says it all.
  • Apr 11, 2013, 06:38 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again,

    So, I'm watching FOX.. I wanna know what THEY think about the breakthrough that occurred last night... FOX and Friends is over, and the "REAL" news started.

    So, I'm waiting.. They're talking about the weather.. I wait some more, and they're talking with Paul Ryan about the budget. So, I wait some more, and they bring on Stuart Varney to talk about the FED... Oh, yeah.. Next they're gonna talk about the parents who kidnapped their kids and headed to Havana...

    So, I dunno what's going on... Why aren't they discussing this? What does it mean??? Smoothy????

    excon

    They talked about the guy that held firemen hostage and how the IRS gestapo don't think they need a warrant to read your emails.

    The new bill is going nowhere, but on the off chance it does I'm going shopping.

    http://www.impactguns.com/

    Actually I think I'll go shopping anyway, any suggestions?
  • Apr 11, 2013, 06:43 AM
    excon
    Hello tom/steve:

    I guess you AREN'T joined at the hip. Tom said he'd follow Senator Toomey's lead. You, not so much.

    excon
  • Apr 11, 2013, 06:48 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello tom/steve:

    I guess you AREN'T joined at the hip. Tom said he'd follow Senator Toomey's lead. You, not so much.

    excon

    What is the point of keeping records of background checks forever? If I pass the check leave me the hell alone.
  • Apr 11, 2013, 06:57 AM
    tomder55
    Bottom line is that when the Missouri Highway patrol voluntarily hands over the complete conceal and carry permit list to the Feds... no one is going to believe that the government isn't preparing to create a defacto registry.. even if they call it something else like universal backround checks.
    Highway patrol gave feds Missouri weapon permits data - Columbia Daily Tribune : News

    It's a matter of trust . No one is going to believe that their private ownership of guns will not become public information. The governments of Rockland and Westchester Counties in NY violated that trust when they willingly gave that information to the Journal News .
    No one who has a mental illness is going to believe that their health condition will remain private . (of course we will now be in the brave new world where everyone's health information potentially can become public knowledge thanks to Obamacare's provisions to standardize and mandate national electronic medical records ) .
    Meet two filing suit over NY SAFE Act | WIVB.com
  • Apr 11, 2013, 06:58 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello tom/steve:

    I guess you AREN'T joined at the hip. Tom said he'd follow Senator Toomey's lead. You, not so much.

    excon

    I said I trusted Toomey more that Schumer . I also said the 'devil was in the details ' and that I'd have to find out what was in his proposal 1st .
  • Apr 11, 2013, 10:10 PM
    paraclete
    Come on Tom this is a brave new world you don't need to know the details, those are on a need to know basis and you don't need to know, trust your local politician
  • Apr 12, 2013, 03:54 AM
    tomder55
    Yeah well I don't buy it . Toomey and Manchin had a presser where they outlined an agreement that NO ONE saw in writing . Based on that ,the idiot Senate voted to let it go to the floor for a vote . Now they will debate the bill which no one read ,and probably pass it . Then that wuss Bonehead said he would allow anything the Senate passed to get a vote in the House .
    So what we will have is another bill passed and signed that no one read. We saw how that is working out with the disastrous 0bama care law. Enough of that already !
  • Apr 12, 2013, 04:36 AM
    speechlesstx
    Like I said, time to go shopping.
  • Apr 12, 2013, 05:32 AM
    excon
    Hello again, Steve:

    Quote:

    Like I said, time to go shopping.
    Try gun shows. That's where ALL the people I met in the slam shop. I hear terrorists shop there too.

    Excon
  • Apr 12, 2013, 06:42 AM
    speechlesstx
    I'm sure there's one coming up here soon.
  • Apr 12, 2013, 07:41 AM
    smoothy
    Actually.. Obama and his horde of Mongols have armed more criminals in the last 4 years... than anyone at gun shows the last 20 years..

    You do remember the Fast and Furious program?
  • Apr 12, 2013, 08:53 AM
    speechlesstx
    Connecticut Democrat Chris Murphy is asking Rupert Murdoch not to air the NRA 500 from Texas Motor Speedway this weekend.

    And I was just thinking, denying a bunch of those armed to the teeth rednecks their NASCAR race is exactly what I would do as a gun control advocate.

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