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Dude, if they can't read it's because liberals have totally screwed the education system. Even if they can't read it's no excuse for not knowing the law. I just visited Arkansas, Tennessee and Kentucky and they have TVs, radios, cable, satellite and internet there, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
It's always amazing to hear how much power the liberals have in your country... and they have apparently done this for generations... and how powerless and inefficient the conservatives must be. They can't even find the time to make sure they own children are being educated properly by actively being involved in their homework or school associations. I guess just ing about it is all they can do.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Whatever dude.
You don't think we should be suspicious of this new law seeing as how you guys have moved so quickly and admitted in public it was to help Romney? Its like your fear of a second term by this president makes you guys desperate.
Tal, you're just spinning the same old thing we've debunked repeatedly.
Hello again,
You know what's MOST noticeably ABSENT in this discussion? It's ANY mention of it at all, by ANY administration official - especially Eric Holder.. Where the hell is he?
excon
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Originally Posted by excon
Busy shredding papers from the last big screw up. (Operation Fast and Furious)
Too busy chasing down makers of high school quality Youtube videos about Mohammed.Quote:
Originally Posted by califdadof3
You don't mind if we wait for the court to rule do you? Just in case you are WRONG?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_suppression
You guys do seem to know a lot about voter fraud though.
Michigan
This is only one example of many, no kidding!!Quote:
Prior to the 2008 United States Presidential Election, on September 16, 2008, Obama legal counsel announced that they would be seeking an injunction to stop an alleged caging scheme in Michigan wherein the state Republican party would use home foreclosure lists to challenge voters still using their foreclosed home as a primary address at the polls.[38] Michigan GOP officials called the suit "desperate."[39] A Federal Appeals court ordered the reinstatement of 5,500 voters wrongly purged from the voter rolls by the State:[37]
Is this the best your high school could produce? A video about Mudhutmad, obviously produced by someone who had not actually had sex.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
This whole argument is too childist to pursue
So you also admit voter fraud is real. I appreciate that.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
So do those bloated voter rolls give you gas?
Seems to be done by mostly by YOU guys,Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Prior to the 2008 United States Presidential Election, on September 16, 2008, Obama legal counsel announced that they would be seeking an injunction to stop an alleged caging scheme in Michigan wherein the state Republican party would use home foreclosure lists to challenge voters still using their foreclosed home as a primary address at the polls.[38] Michigan GOP officials called the suit "desperate."[39] A Federal Appeals court ordered the reinstatement of 5,500 voters wrongly purged from the voter rolls by the State:[37]
Want more DOCUMENTED examples?
Don't worry guys there are always hanging chads to disenfranchise voters all you have to do is sabatage the machines at key polling stations, you know the ones, where there is a concentration of the other guys supporters, everyone can vote but no one gets a vote, I hear it was a very successful tactic in one presidential election
Dude, doesn't matter which side does it, I want it stopped. We could do this your side/my side thing all day and get nowhere. I've shown as many examples as you have if not more so why not just work together to end it?
I'm willing. What do you propose to do and how?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
National registration with a biometric ID.
I want a microchip implanted in my body.
I support photo ID, and you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Central control and eliminate individual privacy. No thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
So we stick with state control, and eliminate voter rights? So much for working together.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Biometric cards would be as safe as a credit card, or debit card.
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Remember that concept that you couldn't get.. Here's how the judges on the state Supreme Court SIMPLIFIED the issue.As we've been saying, it's NOT the ID... It's the PROCESS.Quote:
The high court has requested Judge Simpson’s opinion by October 2. If Simpson finds that the ID’s can be easily obtained, and voters will have no difficulty casting a ballot on Election Day, then the state Supreme Court will let the law stand.
Excon
Yes, voter fraud and voter suppression are two sides of the same coin.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
I know some people are ideologically opposed to the idea, but the only solution to Federal elections is a top down approach.
Tut
Because central controlled governments never have issues with the integrity of the franchise ?
What?
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Originally Posted by paraclete
Hi Clete,
I think he means that under the current system there exists the opportunity for the states to favour one candidate over another. Tom is skeptical that a centralized system would eliminate this problem.
Tut
Reference Hugo Chavez
What? What problem? When you eliminate that state bias your elections become fairer because that local sectarism is eliminated, everyone is then subject to the same laws and the same implementationQuote:
Originally Posted by TUT317
What we have learned that if you let a central authority preside over the federal elections, the state elections, local elections and even union elections you get a fairer outcome. The candidates can get on with their contact with the public, etc and not worry about issues of who is qualified, etc. You have to remember who is talking to you, the people who essentially brought you unions, female suffrage and compulsory voting, the quality of democracy has not been reduced by such things
We are a republic of 50 states, unless you're Obama then its 57 or something, it was designed for states to have control but you know that. As for your eliminating voter rights line, no one is eliminating any voter rights. That's a completely dishonest an argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
I know this, and apparently there is no process that would satisfy you.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Have you asked him?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Sure there is... It really depends on what you think the role of government IS... Personally, I believe it's to PROTECT rights, NOT to throw down a gauntlet in front of them...
excon
Then explain it for us.
Hello again, tom:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
If it was ME that was requiring an ID for MY citizens to vote, I'd make SURE that every voter had one. What's so difficult about that?
Of course, I believe it's the DUTY of the state to PROTECT its citizens rights..
excon
I'm still not tom, and it seems to me you balked at this even with free IDs because someone might have to lift a finger.
Hello Fred:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
I did NOT give you the finger...
excon
No, Alvin, that's an Obama move.
Why can't it be the state?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
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