I was going to add no sex until marriage and that can happen only after the successful completion of an intensive 10-week training program, but figured that wouldn't go over well.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
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I was going to add no sex until marriage and that can happen only after the successful completion of an intensive 10-week training program, but figured that wouldn't go over well.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
No sex police please. You don't need a 10 week intensive training program to avoid sex or to participate in it. Nor is such a program desirable before marriage. What is needed is to go beyond mechanical sex education, which does nothing more than encourage experimentation and deal with moral and ethical matters so that both understand that personal gratification has very undesirable outcomes outside of a long term relationship. In other words less focus on biology and more focus on the importance of personal integrity and self disciplineQuote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Hmmm, like good sex ed and mentoring and modeling by parents?Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Less sex ed and more mentoring and modelling by all authority figures. It goes beyond the family, everything in western society is allowed to drag morals down to the lowest denominator. There should be greater censorship of media in all forms but particularly film to reduce presentation of casual sex for entertainment and profiteering. The whole society fails to deal with prostitution, deviance and depravity, with pornography and moral issues.
More sex ed, for parents.
Now with cable TV, any time of day there is swearing (*beep*) and references to sex even in family sitcoms. That used to be only in the late evening, if then.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
As I said, more censorship of mediaQuote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
I guess half the marriages ending in divorce and parents return to working and dating has nothing to do with the morality thing.
Oh yes, the horror of having to take responsibility for the risk you took. Anything for an excuse. That should make one 'shudder.'Quote:
Originally Posted by Magpie95
Hey! I have the answer to that. Simple! DON'T GET MARRIED!Quote:
I guess half the marriages ending in divorce
My roomie, companion and best friend, Teresa Marie, and I have been hooked up for over 18 years and we love each other just as much now as when we first hooked up. In fact,
More!
One of my proudest boasts is that in all the years we've been together we have NEVER had a screaming fight where one of us said, " That's it! I'm done!"
So there's the secret, Hey! Works for us. Just thought I'd share. Tom
Buddy wait till 25 yearsQuote:
Originally Posted by speedball1
Divorce is part of the morality thing, people not will to go through with the commitment they made, they model this for children and what do you get, a society that can't make commitment, and when did this get worse, right about the time women were liberated to abort their babiesQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Contracepetives, and proper sex education on how to use them both man, and women, is the responsible way to explore, and experiment. This isn't 1960.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Abortion has been in practice for thousands of years, its just not something that was just invented.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
For the third time now, what is "proper" education? But thanks for repeating my response to her that using contraceptives is a choice. It's still a risk, so accept responsibility for taking that risk - don't punish the natural result, the child.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
And then it gets better?Quote:
Buddy wait till 25 years
No it is something that recently became legalQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Yeah buddy they leaveQuote:
Originally Posted by speedball1
Perhaps yours but not mine. We're joined at the hip. You should be sop fortunate, everybody should! Regards, TomQuote:
yeah buddy they leave
Guess you missed it,Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Of course it helps to have insurance and most educated females do, even so, its especially important for financially challenged females to know where to go. The only problem is you religious types keep pushing for laws that make that really hard and don't seem to be interested in making sure a female is properly educated to protect herself.Quote:
The consequences of unprotected sex, and the procedure to not get pregnant. How/when to use an HPT, and having a family doctor for regular check ups, and have procedures available to prevent pregnancy, not just with contraceptives.*
*See my posts about a routine D&C.
Of course your position of responsibility doesn't cover a guy stepping up, and
Creates a helluva dilemma for females that do it your way, let things take a natural course. The problem with that is when they don't fit into YOUR idea of proper behavior, you make things hard by denying love a support.
On one hand you make them fit your mold, but on the other hand you take away choice and options. In reality this only happens when females are dependent and have no resources, or support, and then both mother and child suffers while you self righteously remove logical choices for unrealistic ones.
Even the ones who do the right things by YOUR standards are subject to the same hardships after a divorce. I get you lobby for unborn children, a noble endeavor, but unless YOU take responsibility for YOUR positions, by giving that love and support, you should mind your own business and take care of your own.
This is awesome! I couldn't agree more. Marriage doesn't guarantee a commitment and married people also have unplanned pregnancies.Quote:
Originally Posted by speedball1
I myself don't need a to legally state I am married to feel 100% committed to my best friend and love of my life. We have talked about it and keep saying one day we'll get around to it. But really, neither of us cares one way or another. We talk about the future in terms of retirement, children, travel, etc... a life lived together. The traditional idea of marriage has been changing for some time. I have a great aunt and uncle who have been shacking up happily for 45 years or so.
As far as birth control methods, yes both sexes are responsible. But the woman is in the unique position of being the one that gets pregnant. I was about to turn 20 when I found out I had gotten pregnant. I had been on the pill. I had only been with one person, and he and I had been together for sometime. My boyfriend urged me to get an abortion. But being a strong willed woman, I noted his opinion and considered all my options myself. I even looked into the RH shot I would need due to being one of the 15% that is negative for it. In the end, I decided to abort at 4-5 weeks. Afterward, I was relieved. And since, I have not regretted it once. I realize to some, I am a murderer. Fortunately, those opinions do not bother me. I took the course of my life in my own hands that day. I made a decision for myself and my body that is really no one else's business.
The problem is Planned Parenthood drives sex 'education', they are the last people I want 'educating' our children.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
You assume way too much.Quote:
Of course your position of responsibility doesn't cover a guy stepping up, and
Creates a helluva dilemma for females that do it your way, let things take a natural course. The problem with that is when they don't fit into YOUR idea of proper behavior, you make things hard by denying love a support.
Oh pffffttt. I've had enough self-righteous spiels, you're just perpetuating myths. Let's deal with reality, not manufactured bullsh*t.Quote:
On one hand you make them fit your mold, but on the other hand you take away choice and options. In reality this only happens when females are dependent and have no resources, or support, and then both mother and child suffers while you self righteously remove logical choices for unrealistic ones.
Even the ones who do the right things by YOUR standards are subject to the same hardships after a divorce. I get you lobby for unborn children, a noble endeavor, but unless YOU take responsibility for YOUR positions, by giving that love and support, you should mind your own business and take care of your own.
You want facts, okay, woman and children suffer when you take away their choices, and forrce yours on them!
That's the real fact to deal with. Its not your business in the first place, and when you make it your business you make it YOUR responsibility.
That's reality.
Hello again, wingers:
You know, this is really simple. I speak for the ALL the liberals in the whole wide world. We'd AGREE with your stance on abortion if you didn't have to take away women's right's to accomplish it..
excon
As I said way back, the idea that once the child is born we leave them to fend for themselves is a manufactured MYTH. That's reality.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Funny how you libs are fond of telling us we're all in this together until it comes to abortion, then it's stay out of it, it doesn't affect you, it's none of your business. But let's see, I can't buy a Happy Meal in San Francisco, a 20 oz soda in New York, a medium-rare hamburger in North Carolina, swim in a river in King County, WA without wearing a personal flotation Device, smoke in my own home in some places, give my kid a homemade lunch in some schools - but you can kill your baby if you want.
No its not its right wing policy to give to the rich by taking from the poor, just read Mitts plan. Oh, thats right, you refuse to!Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Do you not realize how silly that sounds, that a bunch of "rich, white guys" as your side often calls us, are going to go increase their wealth by taking it from people who have none. You can't get blood out of a turnip.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
So you read the plan right?? Stop dodging a simple question. That's the silly part to me. And the part about YOU being a rich white guy... I know better.
I agree. That's ridiculous for the government to monitor what we eat! When did the government become our parent? Trying to keep us from getting fat or getting cancer. Aren't we adults capable of making our own decisions and dealing with the outcome?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Boy! Does that take me back to the old daze when I was busy busting religious wackos out side the clinic I worked at. I would have loved to get speechlesstx.locked into my sights. How many times have I heard those nuts scream, "DON'T KILL YOUR BAY-BEE"? Just like old speechless posted.Quote:
but you can kill your baby if you want.
Listening to "old spechless" rant and rave makes me homesick for the days when I had a job that was so much fun that I would have paid them to work there.
SApeechless. If you would have stepped one foot onto clinic property you would have been mine and enjoyed the hospitality of The Sarasota City Jail. And I would have hoped that they put you in a cell with a 6'5" 300 pound dude named Bubba that really dug males.
Funny, but you're the only one using threatening language and quite frankly, it pi$$es me off a little. You don't scare me goober.Quote:
Originally Posted by speedball1
Obviously you can't distinguish the difference between having a discussion on the internet and morons yelling at women at an abortion clinic. We've already had this discussion beginning here, so you can just put your baseless, rabid attempt attempt to paint me as a right-wing wacko aside and go harass someone else..Quote:
How many times have I heard those nuts scream, "DON'T KILL YOUR BAY-BEE"? Just like old speechless posted.
Pardon me, but this post of yours is full of more bovine excrement than the Texas panhandle. You seem a little overtaken with blind rage, perhaps counseling would help.Quote:
SApeechless. If you would have stepped one foot onto clinic property you would have been mine and enjoyed the hospitality of The Sarasota City Jail. And I would have hoped that they put you in a cell with a 6'5" 300 pound dude named Bubba that really dug males.
Hello again, Steve:
You asked a while ago whether we thought abortion would ever be illegal again, and you said you didn't think it ever would.
I, however, think it's just one right wing Supreme Court Justice away.
excon
And I thought the Obamacare mandate would be overturned.
Desperate for what?
No wonder the right wing is so desperate!!Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
No war on women here
PM gets lift on way to raise status of women
The house, the senate, the presidency, the courts and the full control of money and morality. And no prisonersQuote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Dude, do you really think we're putting all our marbles in overturning abortion? We're not the ones making this about women's rights, you are.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Not really... You WANT it to be about abortion, but you NEGLECT to mention that in order to achieve your goal, you have to DESTROY women's reproductive rights... You can't just talk about ONE side of the equation and IGNORE the other side...
Well, that's why we're here.
excon
Women's rightsQuote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Abortions
Voting rights
Poor people rights
Church rights
State rights
Immigation rights
Old peoples rights
Governments rights
Gay rights
Conservatives vs everybody else's rights.
Biden is obviously pro-woman...
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