Truer words were never spoken.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vacuum7
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Truer words were never spoken.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vacuum7
You're really holding tight to those keys!Quote:
Originally Posted by Vacuum7
W.G.: You give me way too much credit and certainly I have no power: The keys are held the one who made all of us.....We all have an equal shot, its really a choice....its up to us to make the right choice. Believe me, it was hard for me to come to terms with the absolute finality of what the choice is IF THAT CHOICE IS THE WRONG ONE.....I thought about the fairness of it and questioned a lot of things that I THOUGHT I KNEW WITH COMPLETE CONFIDENCE.....but some things are not of "interpretation", some things are simply of belief, of trust, of knowing that God has your back, no matter what: That's the deal: In the Catholic religion, its called "The Mystery Of Faith".....it simply means that you follow, whether you understand it or not, whether you know the absolute solution or not......you follow to the end of no ends.
I was scolding you!Quote:
Originally Posted by Vacuum7
W.G.: I know you were….but I also want you to know that I am not as crazy as you may think I am, as I might sound.....I really can't articulate what I feel about this, and certainly I am not of an Evangelical bent, but I admire faith......it is sorely lacking today.....and it is enough to bring you to tears. It so seems that faith in God is under attack on all fronts these days and it saddens me.
Exactly the opposite! I'm struggling with severe anemia and have had a lot of medical intervention during the past year. My medivan drivers, my nurses, my hematologist, lab techs. Many open to expressing their faith.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vacuum7
Then let me express mine also, WG, be whole and healed in the name of JesusQuote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Thank you. Won't happen in this life. Would have to be treated with bone marrow stem cells.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
well in order to receive your healing you have to claim it not deny itQuote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Yes, really. But you'll never know because you don't like wild goose chases. I think you once said you would not click on links. Your loss.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
As a matter of fact, I do. You could know too with some intelligent searching.Quote:
you have no idea how the Christian community in A.D. 90 viewed the book of Revelation.
Against my better judgement, I will do as you ask this one time. I do it because it is the crux of the matter. On post #232 on Sep 25 at 7:15am, you wrote, "Those who do not have faith will be judged as they are still in their sins. They will spend eternity in hell."Quote:
I have never denied it, and I don't recall posting any requirements. If I did, then post the quote.
Mentally unable is a new one. You're getting there.Quote:
The only exception I am aware of, and I have said this before, is for children or for those who are mentally unable to be held accountable.
Do you still criticize those who insult others?Quote:
No, I'm attempting to have a thoughtful conversation with someone who is interested in pursuing the truth. I don't think that describes you, but I hold out hope that I am wrong.
No. The issue is how YOU interpret a Bible passage. Nothing more.Quote:
How God responds to people is not the issue? It is entirely the issue.
There is another page here for your prosyltizing. This one is for the purpose I said above.Quote:
.................................. acts, then it is going to be a day that is going to be terrible. Those who have faith in the atoning sacrifice of Christ have nothing to fear. Those who trust in their own goodness have everything to fear.
I'm glad you found me amusing.Quote:
The idea that you were holding onto something until the right time made me laugh.
The context for this idea seemed to be that only the faithful can get to heaven. For all others it's the wrong choice with its "absolute finality". Not sure what you mean by that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vacuum7
But since you mention the Catholic Church, I thought I'd bring you up to date. Catholicism teaches that non-Catholics who lead good lives according to their lights and an informed conscience can get to heaven. I believe that's generally the mainstream Protestant understanding also.
As to Marxists/Bolsheviks not going to heaven because they are atheists, there is a Marxist movement that has God. It's called Liberation Theology founded by the Jesuits in South America..
In Islam, they are forbidden to judge anyone as being in heaven or hell. I heard that from a Muslim who seemed knowledgeable.
Athos: Great points, as usual! By "finality" I mean that if you die, without accepting Jesus, there really is no more/the end of the road is upon you.
I do find it hard to accept Marxist could be anything but Atheist: Marx discussed the treachery of religion in the Manifesto, didn't he, and he is the Granddaddy of Marxism.
Look, I know that way back when, Islam recognized Christianity, so there is a begrudging acknowledgement: They even admit that Jesus existed! Just don't know enough about what you say, so I will have to take your word for it.
That is the same statement I've been making since this conversation started months ago. Nice try but no cigar for you.Quote:
Against my better judgement, I will do as you ask this one time. I do it because it is the crux of the matter. On post #232 on Sep 25 at 7:15am, you wrote, "Those who do not have faith will be judged as they are still in their sins. They will spend eternity in hell."
The requirements I was referring to trace back to a question you asked months ago and which you have been pursuing off and on since then such as when you posted just a few days ago, "Do you, or do you not, believe that anyone who does not believe in Jesus will spend eternity in hell suffering punishment for all time? This includes babies and children and people who never heard of Jesus. Your answer, please." It was originally something to the effect of posting a single scripture verse or passage that stated that unbelievers would perish in hell for all of eternity.
Yes. You know so much that you can't post a single fact. Like I said, I'm convinced you don't have a clue. There is no need to post a link. You could simply make a statement. "I believe that because blah, blah, blah." When you don't do that, it makes it appear that you can't. And that's where I'm fine to leave the whole thing. All the rest is just fluff. You asked for scriptures that show that those without faith in Christ go to hell. I gave them to you. You have to decide for yourself what you believe.Quote:
Yes, really. But you'll never know because you don't like wild goose chases. I think you once said you would not click on links. Your loss.
As a matter of fact, I do. You could know too with some intelligent searching.
I've said that before. It's not new.Quote:
Mentally unable is a new one. You're getting there.
The one thing you seem reluctant to do is to state your own beliefs. What do you think happens to those who die without faith in Christ? For that matter, where is your faith? Have you accepted the Savior? Other than yourself, and as you stated earlier your brain's ability to make judgments, what/who do you believe in?
No stem cells in my future. Am too old. The annual transfusions work well. My hematologist is on top of things!Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Very sorry to hear of your struggle.Quote:
No stem cells in my future. Am too old. The annual transfusions work well. My hematologist is on top of things!
Thank you. No struggle. God is with me. Plus, I'm having a great meeting and talking with and interacting with many very faith-centered medical workers in non-religious settings at clinics, labs, the hospital.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Your attitude and strength has always been a source of hope and inspiration WG. Good luck and my prayers always my very good friend.
W.G.: I had no idea.....No wonder you seem so strong....because you are! And now I know the historical frame for your name....and, it fits, too, by the way!
People like you, who face so much, make people like me feel small: If ever I face the same type of challenges you do, I hope, no PRAY, that I can summon the kind of courage you have and not become a sniveling pile of goo. I am already a horrible patient when I even catch a cold or flu and, according to my wife, the biggest baby you ever saw.....hate being sick.
I am happy God is with you and you with Him because you are secured and blessed.
My WG name is because of my years working in public libraries -- always being challenged by patrons' reference questions (wondering what they REALLY wanted to know) and later challenged by the Dewey Decimal system when I was a cataloger.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vacuum7
Ok, thank you clearing that up. Your compadre JL believes that you go on suffering eternal punishment in hell (if you die without accepting Jesus). That is the basis of my disagreement with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vacuum7
Yes, Marx was anti-religion. But that was a very small part of his philosophy. He mainly commented on the economic systems of the world. Many of his ideas are now considered main stream.Quote:
I do find it hard to accept Marxist could be anything but Atheist: Marx discussed the treachery of religion in the Manifesto, didn't he, and he is the Granddaddy of Marxism.
Islam considers Jesus a prophet, not God. Both the Jews and the Muslims deny Christianity is monotheistic because they believe the Trinity is three gods.Quote:
Look, I know that way back when, Islam recognized Christianity, so there is a begrudging acknowledgement: They even admit that Jesus existed!
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