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Originally Posted by Athos

Hitler was the best general the Allies had.

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Agreed, without him, who knows. In the same way Trump is the best general both Kim and Xi have

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Originally Posted by paraclete

Agreed, without him, who knows. In the same way Trump is the best general both Kim and Xi have

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And Vlad.

Yes let us not forget Vlad.

The dufus will submit his budget next week. What a great battle that should be.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

The dufus will submit his budget next week. What a great battle that should be.

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He seems obscessed with the wall, wanting to rip money out of other programs to build the wall. Fancy wanting a legacy that is miles of rusting steel posts. He just cannot resolve the difference between rhetoric and reality. This will be know as the days of Donald the Destroyer

Or, viewed another way, the legacy of a secure southern border.

The southern border emergency would be easily solved by a humane process that addresses people as humans and not some boogie man for right wing talking points for votes. The bigger more emergency problem is WHY they migrate in such great numbers[?'. Of course the loony right predicates this on a fear of scared desperate brown people, so their policies reflect that unchristian fear, and they rally around the unchristian path a lying cheating dufus guides them too.

You want security on the southern border? Seems you would cooperate with Mexico, and get a shared humane process. They may not pay for a big beautiful wall, but may just engage in humane food, water, shelter, and processing that benefits BOTH counties, and the flow of humans running from DEATH.

That's a start.

You are correct, the problem lies far to the south outside your borders and short of an invasion of central america all you can hope to do is force an orderly migration process and strangely enough a wall has been part of thinking on this for a long time. Instead of wanting Mexico to pay, Trump should have reversed the thought and helped Mexico to stem the flow, but NO! He instead tried to make things harder for Mexico by revising NAFTA.

Perhaps you should take a leaf out of someone else's book and create a greater American prosperity zone, so that prospertity doesn't just exist north of the Tropic

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The southern border emergency would be easily solved by a humane process that addresses people as humans and not some boogie man for right wing talking points for votes.

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What are you suggesting?

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Perhaps you should take a leaf out of someone else's book and create a greater American prosperity zone, so that prospertity doesn't just exist north of the Tropic

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We had NAFTA and the river of illegal immigration just continued.

Build the wall. It will work.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

We had NAFTA and the river of illegal immigration just continued.

Build the wall. It will work.

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Yes because NAFTA didn't address a problem in any place but Mexico and was fairly limited attracting people to the border regions and they just kept going. They didn't understand the industries had moved south and didn't really employ many because of modern techniques. The point is; people aren't really needed in large numbers in a modern economy, but that message hasn't been preached.

Building a wall is just more socialist pump priming, great for the steel industry, great for border states employment for a while but very alienating in some places

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Yes because NAFTA didn't address a problem in any place but Mexico

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OK. And where are the great majority of illegal immigrants coming from? Mexico.

Besides all that, it is not our job to solve the problems of other nations. We send tens of billions of dollars to other nations in foreign aid only to be told we must do more. Build the wall. Protect the border and protect Americans first.

Socialist pump priming? That's a strange statement. It's the dems that are promoting socialism.

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Build the wall. Protect the border and protect Americans first.

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And build a wall on our northern border too. The flood of fentanyl and other opioids coming into the US is massive!

From the north?? I don't think so. Besides, I'm more concerned with the flood of illegal immigrants, and that is almost completely a southern border problem.

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From the north?? I don't think so. Besides, I'm more concerned with the flood of illegal immigrants, and that is almost completely a southern border problem.

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Yes, from Canada. It's a much worse invasion that what's supposedly crossing our southern border (mostly poor people seeking better jobs, e.g., harvesting our crops). China sends fentanyl to Canadian drug dealers who then push it into the US. Haven't you read about the growing opioid addiction in this country? Guess why it's growing....

So the answer to the Canada problem is to NOT build a southern wall? No, I don't think so. Let's stop the southern avalanche. We have a plan for that.

Besides, according to the link below, "Nearly all fentanyl sold on the streets of America enters the country through international mail. In early 2018, a Senate investigation discovered the government simply was not prepared to stop the influx of fentanyl from China. The report, which scrutinized six online fentanyl sellers, found that five operated in China; the location of one seller could not be established. These particular vendors mailed hundreds of packages of fentanyl to over 300 people in the U.S. relying on the U.S. Postal Service (USPS) to send millions of dollars’ worth of fentanyl overseas."

So how are you getting your Canada connection if most of it comes through U.S. mail??

https://fherehab.com/news/where-does-fentanyl-come-from

A wall won't stop that dope mail, nor stop migrants coming from central America lawfully, or unlawfully.

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A wall won't stop that dope mail, nor stop migrants coming from central America lawfully, or unlawfully.

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Well of course it won't stop the mail. No one has said it will. It will slow down the current river of illegal immigration to a mere trickle. I would be overjoyed with that.

And how does this address the millions already there?

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Well of course it won't stop the mail. No one has said it will. It will slow down the current river of illegal immigration to a mere trickle. I would be overjoyed with that.

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Not without effectively addressing the ROOT cause of the so called migration issue, and the mitigating Mexican cooperation in that effort. Without those the border wall in the southern border is a huge waste of time and OUR money.

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And how does this address the millions already there?

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No solution has been found yet, mostly because of the huge financially crippling logistical challenge finding people who have noo desire to be found, and have many friends, relatives and supporters on their side. I believe that those factors far outway the ones who think they need a gestapo squad to solve that issue.

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No solution has been found yet, mostly because of the huge financially crippling logistical challenge finding people who have noo desire to be found, and have many friends, relatives and supporters on their side. I believe that those factors far outway the ones who think they need a gestapo squad to solve that issue.

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So surely the answer lies in amnesty and a path to citizenship, a one off you might say, so that you don't have to hunt down anyone but criminals