It's no miracle in my opinion that we do much better BUILDING on our commonality as humans, instead of fighting over artificial differences.
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It's no miracle in my opinion that we do much better BUILDING on our commonality as humans, instead of fighting over artificial differences.
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Originally Posted by jlisenbe
No, my argument (your word) is with you, not Jesus. Do you have the courage of your convictions or do you wish to simply transfer the onus of persuasion elsewhere? Obviously, I can't argue with Jesus - he's not here. Then there's the problem of words purportedly spoken by Jesus and finally canonized three centuries after his time on earth.
(My apologies for being late responding. I missed this the first time around).
I simply told you what Jesus said. You have to choose what you do with them. My courage, or possible lack thereof, has nothing to do with the truth. If you don't accept the words of Christ, then you need to decide whose words you do accept.Quote:
No, my argument (your word) is with you, not Jesus. Do you have the courage of your convictions or do you wish to simply transfer the onus of persuasion elsewhere? Obviously, I can't argue with Jesus - he's not here. Then there's the problem of words purportedly spoken by Jesus and finally canonized three centuries after his time on earth.
I can only respectfully submit that developing a personal relationship with the god that you understand is better than relying on the words of ancient men, or even modern ones.
I respectfully submit that what you are proposing, the idea that everyone gets to have their own god and therefore their own truth, is just a flight of fantasy and ignores the meaning of the word "truth". As to accepting the words of ancient or modern man, you have to accept someone's words. In what you are suggesting, you are accepting your own words and thoughts. Well, you better be fantastically smart if you expect that to work.Quote:
I can only respectfully submit that developing a personal relationship with the god that you understand is better than relying on the words of ancient men, or even modern ones.
Bingo! You are catching on finally. Who and what I believe is MY choice. I am very grateful it has worked so well for me and smart has nothing to do with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
BLESSED would be a more accurate word given my own flaws, foibles and mistakes, but gratitude is my attitude. May you have peace in your own journey through life.
I've never said otherwise. I have pointed out, however, that you or I believing something does not make it true. The idea is to find the truth and believe that. We can believe what we want, but we cannot change the truth.Quote:
Who and what I believe is MY choice.
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Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Thus, you believe that YOUR truth, the one that you found, is the REAL and ONLY truth.Quote:
The idea is to find the truth and believe that.
We could both be wrong! 8IQuote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
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And you don't?Quote:
Thus, you believe that YOUR truth, the one that you found, is the REAL and ONLY truth.
That's part of the nature of truth. It is exclusive, so you can't just choose your own truth like on a smörgåsbord. Either you have the truth or you have something other than the truth. Yes, I am convinced the Bible contains the truth, and that Jesus, as He said, IS the truth. You can feel free to disagree with Him if you like.
What proof do you have? If you had been born into a Muslim family, you would believe the Qur'an contains the truth.Quote:
Yes, I am convinced the Bible contains the truth, and that Jesus, as He said, IS the truth.
The evidence is there you just don't want to see it
I see it. I'm a Christian born and bred. But how does a Christian convince someone from another faith that the Christian's holy book is the Truth?Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Don't have to, I can see where your truth is taking you. NO THANKS!Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
All the true believers say that about their faith WG, no matter what evidence is presented.Quote:
What proof do you have? If you had been born into a Muslim family, you would believe the Qur'an contains the truth.
I agree but that cuts more than one way.Quote:
The evidence is there you just don't want to see it
You could start by breaking bread and exchanging ideas and giving respect like was done before. You seem to be the only one here that has had such social contacts with people of other faiths WG, and maybe that's the truth we all could stand to see. Personal interaction. There is no need to convince or convert.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Just SHARE.
And that's what I said to do earlier in one of these threads.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
"I would have asked them about their faith, their beliefs and learned as much as I could, would have shared with them the features of Christianity that were especially common to their faith."
That's a winner in my book WG,since you actually would first have to be in a position of personal interaction, and secondly have to LISTEN to learn what you have in common. I seriously doubt the naysayers (Including those of other religions.) have done either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Interestingly enough, Christianity is the only religion I know of that proselytizes -- "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost" (Matt. 28:19 KJV).Quote:
seriously doubt the naysayers (Including those of other religions.) have done either.
Show them what you see.Quote:
I see it. I'm a Christian born and bred. But how does a Christian convince someone from another faith that the Christian's holy book is the Truth?
Do you think that a person must have some degree of hunger for us to be able to show them much? That's where our prayers come in. The Holy Spirit must awaken a hunger in their hearts. "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them..."
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Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I'm not surprised you refuse to engage in discussion. Your position is patently absurd - that those who do not believe as you do are destined to a hell of everlasting punishment. To make matters worse, you further claim Jesus himself held the same position about belief in him being necessary to avoid hell.
Whoever told you this did you a serious disservice. The disservice is compounded as you pass this false idea to others.
I think it reflects something deep in your own psyche. This may be why you see a society exercising compassion through government - government of the people, by the people, and for the people - as some wicked device to take from some to give to others. The Judeo-Christian God commanded his people to take care of each other. Government of hundreds of millions is a far more efficient way to do that than each person relying on himself or his local church. But that's a side issue. The main issue is your condemning most of the world to hell because of how/what they believe. If you step back, you may see the weakness of that.
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