While waiting on an answer or two as to why abortions should still be legal after 20 weeks or what stage of development a child in the womb deserves protection, if any, chew on this.

The Chicago Tribune, USA Today and the LA Times refused to run a pro-life ad by Heroic Media allegedly because the image was too controversial. No, it wasn't hacked up aborted babies - it hit home harder than that.

http://lifenews.wpengine.netdna-cdn....roicmedia3.png

By the way, my nephew and his wife just became the proud parents of little Penny, born at 25 weeks and weighing 1 lb 13 oz. So when do they deserve to be treated as humans? I leave you with Penny...

Hello again, Steve:

I never minded the 20 week deal.. I mind that you're closing MOST health clinics that poor women depend on. I mind the mandatory vaginal PROBE... I mind the NO EXCEPTIONS for RAPE..

Why don't you defend THOSE?? Oh, that's right you did... You're SOOOOO concerned with women's health that you're going to close their clinics because their doorways aren't wide enough... That'll REALLY help 'em...

excon

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve:

I never minded the 20 week deal.. I mind that you're closing MOST health clinics that poor women depend on. I mind the mandatory vaginal PROBE... I mind the NO EXCEPTIONS for RAPE..

Why don't you defend THOSE?? Oh, that's right you did... You're SOOOOO concerned with women's health that you're going to close their clinics because their doorways aren't wide enough... That'll REALLY help 'em...

Excon

---

Cut the crap, the Texas proposal has all the exceptions you guys demand but the one leaving women subject to unsafe, unregulated clinics, but I've already shown that and the need for door standards

Quote:

---

The grand jury noted that even after Gosnell's unqualified, unlicensed staff had (at his direction) given her a lethal overdose of local anesthetic, she might have still been saved but for the clinic's "cluttered," "narrow, twisted passageways" which "could not accommodate a stretcher" to get her out. Mongar still had a pulse when paramedics arrived, but they lost a critical 20 minutes just trying to get her out of the building.

---

But go ahead, keep arguing against women's health and safety. Texas, Wisconsin and others are looking out for them. Unlike you we don't believe poor women should be subject to unsafe standards.

Hello again, Mr. Lover of Regulations:

What's better for woman's health? A clinic with narrow doorways, or no clinic at all?

excon

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Mr. Lover of Regulations:

What's better for woman's health? A clinic with narrow doorways, or no clinic at all?

excon

---

They'll have a year to comply. Took me a couple days and a couple hundred bucks to widen my doorway, if they're interested in women's health they'll find a way.

You SAY it's for a woman's safety but where does she go for service after you close the only place she can afford to go?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by talaniman

You SAY it's for a woman's safety but where does she go for service after you close the only place she can afford to go?

---

Personally I have no problem with abortion clinics closing, I don't consider most abortions to have anything to do with "health care." That's a ruse you've perpetrated on women by calling it anything but abortion and the child anything but a child. I'd rather be honest with women then use them as pawns. But like I said, if their "health" is that important they'll comply and they'll have a year to do so. Figure it out.

I have figured it out and it obvious some women don't agree with you, or intend to let YOU tell them what to do. Maybe you need to figure THAT out.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by talaniman

I have figured it out and it obvious some women don't agree with you, or intend to let YOU tell them what to do. Maybe you need to figure THAT out.

---

Over 60 percent of Texans believe abortion should be restricted after 20 weeks, and only you and a few wackos believe women don't deserve a safe clinic.

I would say your side's disregard for their safety is surprising but it isn't. It is abortion that they protect at all cost, not women and certainly not children and that's what some women need to figure out - their "protectors" are lying to them and using them.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Over 60 percent of Texans believe abortion should be restricted after 20 weeks

---

Restricted or forbidden/outlawed?

Why close all the clinics? Why not just say no abortions later than 20 weeks?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Restricted or forbidden/outlawed?

---

Texas' SB5 is not a ban, it has all the exceptions the abortion lovers demand - but I've already said that at least twice before.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by talaniman

You SAY it's for a woman's safety but where does she go for service after you close the only place she can afford to go?

---

Used to be that the left said abortion was needed so the women wouldn't have to go to back alley substandard places.
My have times changed !

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Texas' SB5 is not a ban, it has all the exceptions the abortion lovers demand - but I've already said that at least twice before.

---

So why are all the clinics being closed?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

So why are all the clinics being closed?

---

No clinics are being closed, they'll be subject to the same standards as any other ambulatory surgery center and they'll have a year to comply.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

No clinics are being closed, they'll be subject to the same standards as any other ambulatory surgery center and they'll have a year to comply.

---

What about a pregnancy that is discovered, after 20 weeks, to contain a non-thriving fetus?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

What about a pregnancy that is discovered, after 20 weeks, to contain a non-thriving fetus?

---

Is IUGR a death sentence now ?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by tomder55

is IUGR a death sentence now ?

---

It could be for the mother and why should she carry a dead or very ill-formed baby to term?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

It could be for the mother and why should she carry a dead or very ill-formed baby to term?

---

If her health is threatened there is an exception.

Well let's put it this way... an IUGR infant has close to a 50% chance of survival . I don't know what the risks to the mother is ;but that is largely irrelevant since no one has said that a mother should take a baby to term if her life is at risk.
An abortion leaves an infant zero % chance of survival. So no ;I don't think that is a legitimate reason by itself . Many underweight babies have been born and thive.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

If her health is threatened there is an exception.

---

So she won't have to carry a dead or non-viable baby for five more months? An abortion would be allowed?