More good news, cities and possibly states are going to be ditching retiree health coverage and dumping them on the Obamacare exchanges.

Troubled Cities See Exchanges as Way to Unload Retirees - Bloomberg

Good thing it's going on the honor system for those who make too much for a subsidy but can't afford coverage.

A Houston doctor with 5,000 patients is going to close shop. Here he explains why .

Houston Area Doctor's Office Closing Its Doors on Account of the ACA - YouTube

He's not the only one who will be going Gault in the near future.

Hello again, righty's:

Anytime you want to suggest how to fix it, instead of just b1tching, I'll be here.

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Hello again, righty's:

Anytime you wanna suggest how to fix it, instead of just b1tching, I'll be here.

excon

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Been there, done that but this is what we have and your guys are in charge, going full steam ahead to disaster. I don't want to be on that train but you're intent on taking me down with you so you're damn right I'm going to b!tch about it since you won't do anything about it.

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Hello again, Steve:

Been there, done that. From the git go, my health plan has been Medicare for all. That'll take a page of law. I never did like the bones he threw your way, only to have you reject them. But, make no mistake, it's the BONES that are getting stuck in our craw..

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Hello again, Steve:

Been there, done that. My health plan has ALWAYS been Medicare for all. That'll take a page of law. I never did like the bones he threw your way, only to have you reject them.

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Yep, and that's where they want to take us but I don't like ANY plan that has the federal government in charge. They do such a swell job with everything, why wouldn't I love their health care?

The TParty distrust of government is duly noted. I don't trust 'em either. I don't trust the guys that holler and throw rocks much either. Not you personally, mind you a we are both honest law abiding Texans with different opinions and we both agree(?) somebody has got to do something> Medicare for all I my idea, what your beside agreeing with a doctor with 5000patient and he can't make a buck?

He may be a great doctor, but a lousy businessman.

Let's see what 'bones ' have been delayed or eliminated .
1. the 1099 tax form provision... was that our idea ? Nah
2. the Community Living Assistance Services and Supports Act(CLASS) . This classless act was so bad that Sebelius lobbied for it's elimination.. . was that our idea ? Nah
3.Small Business Health Option Program (SHOP). This one was designed to give choice to small business employees . There was probably some conservative input into this but the Obots screwed it up so badly that the whole program was postponed ,and will probably never see the light of day. So small business employees will in fact have NO options... that is the ones lucky enough to not be consigned to part-time status.. and forced to join the exchanges... of which most states are not close to completing .

4.Instead now with the 4th disaster that is OBamacare... those workers will be subject to the individual mandate ,and will be forced to either sign up for very expensive private insurance ;join the non-existent exchanges ;or pay the penalty (oops I mean tax) .
No this plan is not single payer... instead ,it was designed to fail so that the American people would consider single payer the only alternative.

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The TParty distrust of government is duly noted. I don't trust 'em either. I don't trust the guys that holler and throw rocks much either. Not you personally, mind you a we are both honest law abiding Texans with different opinions and we both agree(?) somebody has got to do something> Medicare for all I my idea, what your beside agreeing with a doctor with 5000patient and he can't make a buck?

He may be a great doctor, but a lousy businessman.

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Do you want him to be a businessman or a doctor? I'd say a 40 year practice was fairly successful, but you'll note he didn't start going under until after Obamacare passed. He isn't the exception as we've shown many times. A whole lot of doctors suddenly not being able to afford to stay in business is no coincidence and they all didn't suddenly turn into lousy businessmen.

You also missed the part where he wanted no part of a system where bureaucrats and politicians that have no idea what's best for his patients are running the show. I could only hope every doctor in America had such scruples.

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The TParty distrust of government is duly noted. I don't trust 'em either. I don't trust the guys that holler and throw rocks much either. Not you personally, mind you a we are both honest law abiding Texans with different opinions and we both agree(?) somebody has got to do something> Medicare for all I my idea, what your beside agreeing with a doctor with 5000patient and he can't make a buck?

He may be a great doctor, but a lousy businessman.

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Now let's think about it . He is forced to run his practice like an accountant with a regulatory compliance staff mostly to accurately handle Medicare /Medicaid billing. Meanwhile the Obots have been squeezing docs who take Medicare patients paying less for their services. But you think it is a good idea that the nation go 100% Medicare ? The smart doctors refuse to accept Medicare patients already .

Your doctor's political opinion aside doesn't want to upgrade, or modernize, nor want a cap on what he gets paid. But old people on Medicare love it, even the TParty old people. Did you notice he is a gynecologist? It ain't Obamacare coming between him and his patient.

Funny about how the argument the last few years has been how important it was to get this in place NOW otherwise millions would die if its delayed...

Now its delayed for at least a year... those millions that were claimed would be dying aren't so important.

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Your doctor's political opinion aside doesn't want to upgrade, or modernize, nor want a cap on what he gets paid. But old people on Medicare love it, even the TParty old people. Did you notice he is a gynecologist? It ain't Obamacare coming between him and his patient.

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When did gynecologists only become relevant to younger women? And you think you know women and their needs...

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Your doctor's political opinion aside doesn't want to upgrade, or modernize, nor want a cap on what he gets paid.

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Yeah he's a greedy bass turd... Doesn't matter that he hasn't paid himself in over 3 years trying to keep his practice going.. But he's greedy... He would've saved money (from his personal savings ) by closing down shop 3 years ago... firing his staff ,and leaving his patients to fend for themselves . But he's greedy for trying to make it work for 3 years while he took no pay.

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Yeah he's a greedy bass turd... Doesn't matter that he hasn't paid himself in over 3 years trying to keep his practice going .. But he's greedy ... He would've saved money (from his personal savings ) by closing down shop 3 years ago ...firing his staff ,and leaving his patients to fend for themselves . But he's greedy for trying to make it work for 3 years while he took no pay.

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The nerve of him.

What is he spending his saving on if its not reinvesting in upgrades, technology, and staff training? My point about his area of practice is to show he fits your negative narrative without a deeper look into the facts. The bureaucrats he speaks of are state, local, and county officials.

And if he was the exception you may have a point . But his decision is a decision that many doctors are making or will be making soon. But that fits into the left plan too. Doctors should not have a private for profit practice. Instead they should be employees of the nanny-state who's wages are strictly controlled .

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and if he was the exception you may have a point . But his decision is a decision that many doctors are making or will be making soon. But that fits into the left plan too. Doctors should not have a private for profit practice. Instead they should be employees of the nanny-state who's wages are strictly controlled .

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Unless they're abortionists.

Hello again,

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The bureaucrats he speaks of are state, local, and county officials.

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They might even be from the Vaginal Probe Board who's job it is, is to SEE to it, that this doctor stick something wayyyy up inside a woman whether she needs it or not.

Maybe they'll be from the APB, Abortion Prevention Bureau... They're the bureaucrats who are going to see to it that EVERY pregnancy ends in a birth. They might even station cops IN his practice.. I'm SURE they'll install a wireless uterine monitoring device that reports DIRECTLY to them.

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and if he was the exception you may have a point . But his decision is a decision that many doctors are making or will be making soon. But that fits into the left plan too. Doctors should not have a private for profit practice. Instead they should be employees of the nanny-state who's wages are strictly controlled .

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I guess you didn't know that private not for profit hospital have been forcing doctors to steer patient to them and are making the doctor accept a salary for admitting privileges. It's the hospitals and insurance companies making doctors charge you extra fees for non health related expenses.

Lookup the Time magazine article by Steven Brill. It an eye opener. Hospital have been buying private clinic for YEARS.