Like I said earlier, the next time the cops come over to serve you a warrant shoot back at them with all you got and see what happens.

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Another school shooting: California sheriff: Youth who shot classmate felt he'd been bullied - CNN.com

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Deal with the bullying.

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Hello again,

Couple things...

I dunno WHY, but the bonkers right wing thinks somebody is talking about DISARMING the American people... I don't know ANYBODY who's doing that... Not ONE person... So, they wanna fight fights, that aren't even fights... If that's not bonkers, what is???

Ok, HERE'S what's MORE bonkers.. They believe... They ACTUALLY believe that the US Army will defect to THEIR side, in the war they wanna start.

Bonkers, bonkers, and even MORE bonkers...

excon

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So you believe the army won't have a problem killing the people they've been fighting for? This ain't Syria.

I really find it hard to believe you blame Clintons ego on a massacre that could have been avoided by submitting to lawful due process by the religious community I call a whacked out cult.

Resisting arrest is resisting arrest in his case and the fool dragged his people down with him.

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So you believe the army won't have a problem killing the people they've been fighting for? This ain't Syria.

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Do you really see armed rebellion against the government as a possibility to justify having machime guns in America?

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Do you really see armed rebellion against the government as a possibility to justify having machime guns in America?

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The military is made up of our sons and daughters, aunts and uncles, mothers and fathers. Would they choose to obey a dictator and thereby deny their families?

The colonists were fighting strangers.

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It's all a hypothetical exercise . The point of gun ownership is self defense ,and it is frankly irrelevent if the government is better armed. That didn't stop the colonists from defeating the best army of their era . Clete likes to point out how the best military of our day is getting whooped by tribesmen in AfPakia.

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You want to use your inability to deal with a native population as an excuse as to why your population should be armed. The lesson in Afghanistan is an armed population is a lawless population and the same is obviously true in your own nation. In any case Afghanistan is a problem of your own making and so is the problem you face at home. In Afghanistan you are dealing with a people who once conquered Iran, they might do it again for you if you made friends with them

You keep saying gun ownership is for self defense but you wouldn't need the guns if there weren't so many of them. Populations all over the world live peacefully without an armed populous

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I really find it hard to believe you blame Clintons ego on a massacre that could have been avoided by submitting to lawful due process by the religious community I call a whacked out cult.

Resisting arrest is resisting arrest in his case and the fool dragged his people down with him.

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He may have been a wacko but he offered to talk let the ATF inspector in to inspect his weapons and the inspector wouldn't even talk to him. Even the sheriff told them to go talk to them. The vast majority of "evidence" was based on hearsay. The siege was totally unnecessary and we got to watch the federal government massacre those people live on CNN.

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Do you really see armed rebellion against the government as a possibility to justify having machime guns in America?

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Do you really not understand our rights?

Good for them.I

Good for them. I assure you there is room for reasonable regulation that doesn't go as far as the extreme position that guns should be banned. How about universal registration without exception? Or deal with the real issue... the over prescribing of psychotropic drugs?

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Good for them.I

Or deal with the real issue.......the over prescribing of psychotropic drugs?

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Yes well we have all thought you were all on drugs for a long time, so a new thought, any person who is prescribed a certain class of drugs is a not allowed to own or possess weapons. This would mean doctors prescribing these drugs would need to report to the police and the police would need to search and seize. Don't know how that fits with your constitution which is short on such detail since your founding fathers didn't need anything more that the odd pipe.

As to doctors prescribing drugs you could ban that

Do you really not understand how the laws work? When the government, state, local, or federal tells you they have a warrant, you obey it and negotiate in court. Not hole up in your domicile and negotiate.

There is no need to defend your rights with a gun or subtrefuge, or active ARMED resistance. He had no right to have a stand off with the LAW, or endanger his flock with his defense of his so called rights.

That's absolute paranoid INSANITY.

Hello again, Steve:

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So you believe the army won't have a problem killing the people they've been fighting for?

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I believe they'll view you just like Tim McVey or David Koresh, and put you down HARD..

Excon

Not a problem... thesecond also refers to well regulated

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Not a problem... the second also refers to well regulated

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Let us examine that for a while, because once again you are nitpicking words

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A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed

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The word regulate is used in relation to the word militia, in fact, the whole thing is subject to the idea of a militia defending the state. I see nothing in these words that speeks of self defense in the broader context, but only in defense of the nation.

So you should put the idea into force, those who keep and bear arms should be inducted into a well regulated militia because the rabble situation you have right now is unconstitutional.

There is no question about intent. Thefounders made it clear that militia was not a state or national function. It is clear from their writings... including James Madison in the Federalist papers.. that the right to bear arms was an individual right.

Bear all the arms you want except illegal ones. That's the point, some of us want some weapons and ammo illegal to the gerneral public as a matter of safety.

Legal argument aside Tom the document says what it says, it doesn't say, subject to various writings and opinions.

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Bear all the arms you want except illegal ones. Thats the point, some of us want some weapons and ammo illegal to the gerneral public as a matter of safety.

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I assure you the best you will get is new standardized registration requirements ,and perhaps restrictions on magazine sizes ,or restrictions on mail order ammo purchases... perhaps even restrictions on the so called gun show exceptions.

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I assure you the best you will get is new standardized registration requirements ,and perhaps restrictions on magazine sizes ,or restrictions on mail order ammo purchases....perhaps even restrictions on the so called gun show exceptions.

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If you get any restristions it will be a move in the right direction, the whole thing has gone from the sublime to the ridiculous because of rank commercialism. You no longer have the need to have files of men blasting away at each other and that is what eighteenth century armies did

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Bear all the arms you want except illegal ones. Thats the point, some of us want some weapons and ammo illegal to the gerneral public as a matter of safety.

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And which ones would those be?

What a good idea . Obama gives himself and his family lifetime armed guard protection . I thinkit is well warranted and former Presidents deserve such protection. Prior to this former Presidents only were granted this well earned privilege for 10 years .
Obama OKs lifetime Secret Service for presidents

On the other hand ; he evidently thinks the rest of us peons don't deserve the right to protect ourselves. During an ABC Nightline interview broadcast on December 26;recorded before the Sandy Hook shooting, Obama said one of the benefits of his reelection was the ability “to have men with guns around at all times,” in order to protect his daughters. There were daughters at Sandy Hook . Why shouldn't they have that benefit ? Obama sends his daughters to Sidwell Friends School in Washington, DC.There are 11 armed guards patrolling that school. Our kids go to schools in 'gun free zones' where no one but people with criminal intent is armed.