Ask Me Help Desk - Mosque at Ground Zero

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again:

I've always thought that THIS image captured our feelings on 9/11. I'd LOVE to see a monument that looks like those three pieces of building.

I LOVE that idea.

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Originally Posted by RickJ

But the few discussions I've had about what they think about the 911 attack, they sort of clam up. I've never heard them say (despite my trying on many occasions to hear them say it) "Those people are not true Muslims".

I know well that there are several Muslim leaders in the US who have condemned the attacks - but I'm aware too that there are many others who are silent.

The Same thing can be said for the priest pedophilia scandal - does silence assume consent?

Also you are using the No True Scotsman argument: No true Scotsman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

I just might donate to help build the gay bar next door

Isn't that against your religion?

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Isn't that against your religion?

Probably. But I never said I was perfect. :D

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

The EXACT same thing can be said for the priest pedophilia scandal - does silence assume consent?[/url]

Exact? No way. The Catholic Church is different. They speak "as a group" (Catechism of the Catholic Church, Encyclicals, writings of the US Conference of Catholic Bishops) frequently and loudly - as do many individual leaders (Priests, Bishops and Cardinals). There are writings and teachings galore that affirm that abusing people is wrong.

The Muslims, on the other hand, do not have a "Catechism" or a recognized leader who can speak for the whole. Each community acts on it's own.

So what Bishop or other leader of the Catholic Church are you not able to find statements condemning Priests and others who abuse children?

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Originally Posted by RickJ

But the few discussions I've had about what they think about the 911 attack, they sort of clam up. I know well that there are several Muslim leaders in the US who have condemned the attacks - but I'm aware too that there are many others who are silent.

I don't get it.

Hello again, Rick:

Although the world has called for it, do you condemn the Israeli's for their brutal attack on Gaza a couple years ago? No you don't. That's because you believe the Israeli's were justified.

Now, I'm NOT saying they WERE justified, just like I'm not saying Al Quaida was justified. I'm saying people can have different views about stuff. Here, in THIS country, I have NO problem discussing Israel's culpability, or lack thereof in that attack. But, if I were in Israel, and some Israeli asked me about how I felt, I'd clam up.

Does that help?

excon

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Probably. But I never said I was perfect. :D

No one here is perfect. We're just a bunch of foruaholics who all have opinions and love to share them :)

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Rick:

Although the world has called for it, do you condemn the Israeli's for their brutal attack on Gaza a couple years ago? No you don't. That's because you believe the Israeli's were justified.

I don't? How would you know that?
1. That situation is not comparable to a discussion about building a Mosque at ground zero, and
2. This thread is about a Mosque on ground zero, so this thread would not be the place to post my opinions about that conflict.

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Originally Posted by RickJ

I don't? How would you know that?

Hello again, Rick:

Well, you asked about your Muslim friend who clams up. I just tried to explain why I thought he did.

It's true, I made an assumption. I based it on your faith. MOST Christians unabashedly support Israel. I could have been wrong, of course. Am I?

excon

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Originally Posted by excon

MOST Christians unabashedly support Israel.

Well, someone has to.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Rick:

Well, you asked about your Muslim friend who clams up. I just tried to explain why I thought he did.

It's true, I made an assumption. I based it on your faith. MOST Christians unabashedly support Israel. I coulda been wrong, of course. Am I?

excon

I wouldn't agree that "MOST Christians unabashedly support Israel".

No, I don't "unabashedly support Israel"... but to discuss that would be to hijack this thread.

That issue is nowhere close to the "Mosque at ground zero" issue. If you'd like to discuss it, start a new thread :)

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Originally Posted by RickJ

That issue is nowhere close to the "Mosque at ground zero" issue. If you'd like to discuss it, start a new thread :)

These Current Events threads get going in new directions all the time, no reason to stop now. :)

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

These Current Events threads get going in new directions all the time, no reason to stop now. :)

Don't tempt me. I've got a list.

Why do reputable TV and radio shows advertise "buy gold now" when buying gold now is so stupid?

Why do so many people fall for the "reduce your credit card debt" scams?

Why do governments continue to reward people on welfare for having more babies that they can't afford?

Why can't citizens in every state own and carry a firearm without ridiculous restrictions?

The list goes on and on... but here on this site we like to stick to the issue of the subject line. We offer unlimited space to ask or discuss anything, so all we ask is to stick to the subject. The same would be true in a normal conversation. If it gets off subject, one of the two (or group) discussing or debating the issue would be right to say "that's another issue". :)

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Originally Posted by RickJ

Why do reputable tv and radio shows advertise "buy gold now" when buying gold now is so stupid?

Pray on the ignorant.

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Originally Posted by RickJ

Why do so many people fall for the "reduce your credit card debt" scams?

Greed, laziness and lack of discipline to correct the situation properly.

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Originally Posted by RickJ

Why do governments continue to reward people on welfare for having more babies that they can't affort?

Don't know.

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Originally Posted by RickJ

Why can't citizens in every state own and carry a firearm without ridiculous restrictions?

Y'all can shoot yourselves silly, don't why they should stop you from doing that.

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but here on this site we like to stick to the issue of the subject line.

Not in these threads, they often end up talking about football or the weather or if it's a bunch of women as well it's often full of sexual innuendos.

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Originally Posted by RickJ

Why do reputable tv and radio shows advertise "buy gold now" when buying gold now is so stupid?

Hello Rick:

We've HANDLED the mosque. Besides, it's MY thread.

Gold and silver pretty much move in tandem. When I was a kid, you could buy a gallon of gasoline for a quarter. Today, you still can. The melt value for a silver quarter today, is $3.3375358040.

Now, if you think gasoline will go DOWN in price, then it would stupid to buy gold, but...

excon

The Muslims WILL call it the Mohammed ATTAH memorial Mosque... and it WILL be a pillgramage point for all radical Muslims if its #1 allowed to be built, and #2 nobody burns it down if it is.

And it IS and would be a in your FACE America swipe since so many in the Muslim world... INCLUDING the Palestinians that celebrated in the streets on 9/11. Many of us have not forgotten videos of those celebrations across the Muslim world that day.

What part of that the people who think it should be allowed do they not grasp?

Hello smoothy:

I agree that with all the hatred surrounding the mosque, some nut will try it. That's because some people, like the nut, will believe anything that's fed to them.

excon

The fact is that every construction /reconstruction project in the areas has been tied up in bureaucratic red tape for almost a decade. Yet the Cordoba project appears to be getting a fast track .

I wonder why that is ? A thorough investigation of the finances could provide answers I'd wager .

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello smoothy:

I agree that with all the hatred surrounding the mosque, some nut will try it. That's because some people, like the nut, will believe anything that's fed to them.

excon

Any Mosque AT or NEAR ground Zero will be a defacto Terrorist Memorial to any and all Islamic radicals. Fact of life. Why else is a Mosque being built there by a known radical Immam? THere is no other reason. He wants a memorial to the dead terrorists right were it will be most in our faces.

NYC has plenty of other Mosques... they are not lacking for a place of whoreship in that town.

I suggest we allow that Mosque, right after the Cathedral is finished being built in Mecca. Quid pro Quo.

After All, how is that any different than NeoNazis erecting a shrine right next to any and all Holocaust memorials that exist... and why is that any different.

They do NOT have a right top put a Mosque wherever they want any more than anyone else has a right to put anything they want wherever they want. There is no constitutional provision giving them those rights nobody else has in the USA.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

I suggest we allow that Mosque, right after the the Cathedral is finished being built in Mecca. Quid pro Quo.

Hello again, smoothy:

I KNEW you tea partiers didn't really like the Constitution. You'd rather we ditch it and adopt the standards of Saudi Arabia. Why do you hate this country so?

excon