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Originally Posted by excon

You pay for your neighbors and he pays for yours.

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Actually, more and more fire departments are assessing fees for fire and other emergency services. Where've you been?

Now can we get back to this crap of a bill that's been foisted on us by a bunch of out of control Democrats?

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Actually, more and more fire departments are assessing fees for fire and other emergency services. Where've you been?

Now can we get back to this crap of a bill that's been foisted on us by a bunch of out of control Democrats?

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Hello again, Steve:

Where have I been? Living in a progressive city where they don't do those things.

Foisted?? FOISTED?? I don't know. The Democrats were ELECTED. The Constitution says that the majority can pass laws. If the minority doesn't like it, they can throw the bums out. That doesn't sound like "foisted" to me. It sounds like our democratic Constitutional process at work.

However, I'm used to you guys screaming words like tyranny, foisted, and rammed down our throats. But, that can simply be chalked up to sniveling by the losers.

I do agree with you though. Turning my beloved country into torturers was FOISTED on me.

excon

Foisted: 1. To pass off as genuine, valuable, or worthy

2. To impose (something or someone unwanted) upon another by coercion or trickery

3. To insert fraudulently or deceitfully

I'd say my use of the word is proper.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, smoothy:

Let's take this a step at a time. It's fine that YOUR firemen don't get paid. There's lots of community's that are served that way. But, there's a lot of other expenses involved with running a fire department than just payroll. Who owns the fire trucks your volunteer department uses? Who pays the 911 operator? Who pays for gasoline that goes into those trucks? Who owns or pays rent on the station WHERE the fire truck is kept? Who buys the firefighters equipment?

I'm gonna stop there. I know you don't get it. I'm not trying to convince you, though. That AIN'T gonna happen. I'm writing for the other people who're reading this thread.

excon

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The fire dept pays for ALL that stuff, and THEY own it... not the local government... YOU are talking out of your butt. And what does the 911 system have to do with local fire departments anyway. THey don't hold boot drives and have bingo for the fun of it. And yeah.. it gets expensive.


And unlike you... I am talking about a number of volunteer fire departments in three different states, ALL of which get no tax money, nor any pay for the work they do.

Now just because YOUR local fire department isn't a volunteer department doesn't mean they all are.

And in fact I did have ONE uncle who was a professional Fireman, who was NOT a volunteer, all the rest were volunteers in a number of different departments. Two even ran those departments. The others volunteered in different capacities.


Yes I grew up around that stuff even though I myself was never one... and am not just repeating misconceptions like some people.

My brother was one for decades... three uncles were volunteers, one more was a professional, and about a dozen friends and neighbors over the years were volunteers.

As tom alluded to (since we all eat the same thing), in the olden days we tried to keep our sick children home from school.

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Like I said, the connection is IMPOSSIBLE for righty's to make.

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I know, ignorant racists that we are. Btw, I provide equipment to with many a volunteer fire department for a living. They do or can get federal grants at times, some cities and counties do fund them to a certain degree, most get hand me down equipment, but this is how they typically raise money, fundraisers.

Now can we get back to this crap bill that was foisted on us?

I think a great place to start is STOP allowing 47% of the population to avoid ALL federal taxes. If you live here and breath... you pay a tax like everyone else who works hard. And they should pay the same rates the rest of us do... so they have the same stake in anything that bumps up those rates at all.

See how many think freebies and handouts are such a great idea when THEY have to pay for them.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

The fire dept pays for ALL that stuff, and THEY own it...not the local government....YOU are talking out of your butt. And what does the 911 system have to do with local fire departments anyway. THey don't hold boot drives and have bingo for the fun of it. And yeah..it gets expensive.s.

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Hello again, smoothy:

So, the fire department owns it, and it pays for all that stuff. Really? Is THAT what you think? It doesn't dawn on you to ask who owns the fire department? The fact that you hold events to raise money for your department, doesn't clue you in that your community owns the fire department.

Now, the word "community" has no legal bearing, so I suggest that there's another entity that owns the fire department, and that's probably your county. But, that's OK. We don't have to identify the particular entity that's responsible for the bills. Identifying it as COMMUNITY owned is good enough for my argument.

That's because a COMMUNITY owned fire department is SOCIALISM at work on the local level. Now, because your community needs to have bake sales and bingo to pay for your fire department only means that the entity that owns it, like your county, is going broke. It doesn't change the fact that you pool your risk against fire. Pooling risk is Socialism.

Socialism WORKS for you and your community. That would be unless you tell me that your fire department and your police department are PRIVATELY owned. Because that's the ONLY alternative to community owned. There ain't no in between.

Again, smoothy my friend, I know you don't understand what I just said. It's OK.

excon

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Foisted: 1. To pass off as genuine, valuable, or worthy

2. To impose (something or someone unwanted) upon another by coercion or trickery

3. To insert fraudulently or deceitfully

I'd say my use of the word is proper.

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Hello again, Steve:

You say it was something that wasn't wanted. I say it was. You cite polls that support your conclusion. I cite the ELECTION which supports mine. You say it was trickery. I say it was our Constitution in action.

Aren't you the guys who call for RESTORING the Constitution?? You just saw it WORK the way it was DESIGNED to work. I can't image what Constitution you'd be referring to. We only have ONE.

Now, I agree with you. We were told that waterboarding ISN'T torture. We got tricked, but it was cool with you then.

excon

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Originally Posted by excon

You say it was something that wasn't wanted. I say it was.

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The FACTS are on my side, then and now.

I was talking to my wife's audiologist and learned that they have had to let one employee go and work themselves until 8 or 9 at night to get all the paperwork done. One job lost to Obamacare, as the medicare payment for hearing testing has been cut.

Additionally, they are going to have to buy expensive software and spend MANY hours transferring paper records to computer to satisfy government mandates.

Multiply this scenario by thousands or millions and see the unintended consequences of this health care boondoggle.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

The FACTS are on my side, then and now.

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Hello again, Steve:

I agree with you, in the short term, you WON the talking points debate. In the longer term, however, we got what was WANTED and needed for generations. THOSE are the facts.

excon

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve:

I agree with you, in the short term, you WON the talking points debate. In the longer term, however, we got what was WANTED and needed for generations. THOSE are the facts.

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Wanted by who?

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Wanted by who?

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The followers of Sol Alinsky, of course. These days they're called Progressives.

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Originally Posted by Catsmine

The followers of Sol Alinsky, of course. These days they're called Progressives.

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You mean this guy? Saul Alinsky - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
How does he fit in to anything? 99% of the population have no idea who he is.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Wanted by who?

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Hello Steve:

I'm not talking specifically about THIS law, because THIS law isn't exactly what was wanted. It's a step in the right direction. But, even the wingers in congress said health care reform was wanted. I understand that this isn't the way they would have accomplished it. But, I also understand, that when they had a chance to accomplish it, they didn't even try.

Nonetheless, in terms of the idea of reforming health care, Obama ran on it, and won. Evidently SOME people wanted it.

excon

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

You mean this guy? Saul Alinsky - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
How does he fit in to anything? 99% of the population have no idea who he is.

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Hello NK,

He's the guy, Glenn Beck says, that is the author of the left's guiding principles. Now, I never read him, but if he supports the Constitution like I support the Constitution, then he's my man.

excon

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

You mean this guy? Saul Alinsky - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
How does he fit in to anything? 99% of the population have no idea who he is.

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And 99% of the population has no idea of the radical legislation excon just got. Saul's blueprint Rules for Radicals - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia is his relevance.

Hello Cats:

I just read the link that NK posted. I see nothing dangerous about his thinking. Then I read the post that you linked me to. You're talking to a 60's radical here, so what I read seems rather mild to me. In fact, it kind of looks like what the tea partiers are doing.

excon

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Originally Posted by Catsmine

And 99% of the population has no idea of the radical legislation excon just got. Saul's blueprint Rules for Radicals - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia is his relevance.

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Nothing wrong there, what do you find so radical?

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, smoothy:

So, the fire department owns it, and it pays for all that stuff. Really? Is THAT what you think? It doesn't dawn on you to ask who owns the fire department? The fact that you hold events to raise money for your department, doesn't clue you in that your community owns the fire department.

Now, the word "community" has no legal bearing, so I suggest that there's another entity that owns the fire department, and that's probably your county. But, that's ok. We don't have to identify the particular entity that's responsible for the bills. Identifying it as COMMUNITY owned is good enough for my argument.

That's because a COMMUNITY owned fire department is SOCIALISM at work on the local level. Now, because your community needs to have bake sales and bingo to pay for your fire department only means that the entity that owns it, like your county, is going broke. It doesn't change the fact that you pool your risk against fire. Pooling risk is Socialism.

Socialism WORKS for you and your community. That would be unless you tell me that your fire department and your police department are PRIVATELY owned. Because that's the ONLY alternative to community owned. There ain't no in between.

Again, smoothy my friend, I know you don't understand what I just said. It's ok.

excon

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Socialism Steals from people who earn it to give to those who won't.

Socialism is never good for everyone, only good for the takers.

And these fire Departments ARE NOT owned by the community... in fact.. since you are unaware of it obviously. Most of America doesn't reside in an incorporated town or city. EVERY ONE of these Fire Departments I mentioned get everything they have without any tax money... the Fire Dpeartment owns its own equipment... no town, City or County.

Where in the hell to you get off thinking the community owns everything... or even has the right to.

IF the community owned it.. then the community would legally be required to pay wages... insurance... workmans comp... etc to every fireman.

ANd for those not in a town or city... exactly what right do any of those towns or cities have to lay claim to anything outside their limits?.

I'll tell you. None at all. And Incidentally... I am one of those multitudes who spent most of his life... NOT residing in any Town or City.