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Trump got almost 63 million votes .
A decidedly clear minority. Could that be the problem?
lol it was not the majority but it is a huge stretch to say it was a decidedly clear minority .It was a little over 2% difference ;but in our electoral system it was a landslide .
Yes there are plenty women I could vote for . In fact I wish Condi Rice would throw her hat in the ring.
BTW the suppressed news of the week is the degree that Lanny Davis lied about what Cohen knows .
An FBI Special Agent Jonathan Moffa told Congress in testimony that the bureau has used leaked news stories as justifications to obtain surveillance warrants against American citizens.Moffa told congressional investigators that the FBI and Justice Department have leaked stories to the press ,and then used the reporting in the press to obtain FISA warrants . Rep Mark Meadows tweeted about it :
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We've learned NEW information suggesting our suspicions are true: FBI/DOJ have previously leaked info to the press, and then used those same press stories as a separate source to justify FISA's
Unreal. Tomorrow's Bruce Ohr interview is even more critical. Did he ever do this?
Moffa worked closely on the Evita email investigation with Peter Strzok.Strzok and Moffa both took part in the July 2, 2016 kids gloves interview with Evita about her use of a private email server to exchange classified emails.
Isn't it amazing? Of the two former female Secretaries of State, Clinton is the one who runs. Bummer.Quote:
Yes there are plenty women I could vote for . In fact I wish Condi Rice would throw her hat in the ring.
The only thing worse than listening to a lying, cheating dufus, is listening to a lying, cheating dufus sycophant.Quote:
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The only thing worse than listening to a lying, cheating dufus, is listening to a lying, cheating dufus sycophant.
Yeah, I don't like listening to Hillary either. (Sorry...couldn't resist.)
yeah but I already told you about Lanny Davis .Quote:
lying, cheating dufus sycophant.
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Attorney Lanny Davis says he was an anonymous source in a July CNN story that reported his client, Michael Cohen, had privately claimed that President Trump had advance knowledge of the infamous Trump Tower meeting between his son and Russians — contradicting Davis's own words on CNN's air last week. In the story, Cohen was reported to claim he had personally witnessed Donald Trump Jr. informing then-candidate Trump about the June 2016 meeting. Such a claim from Cohen would directly contradict Trump’s statements about his knowledge of the meeting, where Russians were set to offer dirt on Hillary Clinton. CNN’s July 26 story has come under fresh scrutiny in recent days after Davis acknowledged he had served as an anonymous source for multiple news outlets who were seeking to confirm the CNN article in the hours after it published. Davis has backed away from the story in recent days, telling the Washington Post that he is not certain if the claim is accurate, and that he could not independently corroborate it.
I have to admit ;this doesn't make sense to me . If he was knowingly lying to CNN then why would he admit it and hand CNN out to dry ? Maybe Cohen punked him . He deserves it . Why would the Clintoon familyQuote:
"I should have been more clear - including with you - that I could not independently confirm what happened," Davis said, adding: "I regret my error.""I should have been more clear - including with you - that I could not independently confirm what happened," Davis said, adding: "I regret my error."...…CNN's story broke exactly one month ago, on July 27 - Davis only began reining it in last week. Why wait that long if it was erroneous? Did Cohen not notice he was being put forward as the guy who might be able to prove Trump's collusion with Russia - a claim that, if true, could end an American presidency?
consigliere represent Cohen one wonders ? Maybe because he got Cohen to plead guilty to something that isn't a crime ? Hmmm maybe he is colluding with Mueller ?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FeMvQR-0VA
Cohen paraphrase from a classic scene from 'Godfather II' :"Oh, Donald Trump, No. I never heard of it. I never heard of nothing like that. I was in the real estate business with his him a long time ago. That's all. The FBI guys promised me a deal. So I made up a lot of stuff about Donald Trump and his kids. Because then, that's what they wanted. But it was all lies. Everything. They said Donald Trump did this, Donald Trump did that. So I said, "Yeah, sure."
Any new arguments today
The Dufus is still wanting to get rid of his attorney general Jeff Sessions because he cannot lawfully control or stop the Mueller investigations as it gets closer to his inner circle. Takes gall and desperation to obstruct justice in public by wanting his AG to do something illegal. I'm no Sessions fan after he gutted the civil right division of the justice department and implemented the inhuman zero tolerance policy and even further back to his senate days, but he is yet another Dufus sycophant that has fallen from favor of the maniacal desperate DUFUS, and gets abused for not doing as the boss says!
https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...esponse-2018-8
BREAKING NEWS... Another one bites the dust!
Don McGahn white house counsel is leaving this fall.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKCN1LE1TT
like it is so unusual to have turnover in the White House .
What would be illegal if Sessions or Trump for that matter were to fire Mueller ? Answer ;nothing .
If he has intent to stop a lawful investigation it surely is obstruction, as well as dangling pardons, and praising his criminal cohorts to not cooperate with law enforcement. That's what he does in public, and no telling what goes on behind the scene.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Go ahead, fire Mueller, then worry about NY, and Stormy. I mean geez Tom, he wants Google investigated for rigging the search engine against him. He's out of his friggin' mind I tell you, get him out of here and move in Pence so he can do this repub agenda quietly, until we get Biden or Bernie, or both in 2020.
I'm running out of movies and popcorn for crissake!
And thus we see the problem that the dems have, when there are no other names to mention other than Biden or Bernie Sanders.
Obama put us an additional 10 tril in debt, and Trump shows no signs of balancing a budget, so the day of reckoning is probably fast approaching anyway.
I was throwing out names, but I don't know who will emerge in 2020. Maybe The Dufus flips and starts throwing rocks for us!
wrong again . POTUS can legally and constitutionally direct Sessions to fire Mueller any time he wants ;or do it himself. The Constitution in Art 2 clause 1 is unambiguously clear thatQuote:
If he has intent to stop a lawful investigation it surely is obstruction
"The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America."
Any idea of "obstruction " would be a political consideration for Congress to determine.
Under the Constitution, it is beyond the power of Congress to limit or impose conditions on any president’s authority to remove a political appointee within the Justice Department or any other department in the executive branch.
Yeah that's what Nixon said and that started a chain of events that bit him in his butt. Hmm Nixon had his buddies behind him too until they stared at the smoking gun... TAPES! Maybe we should stay tuned, because Slick Mitch ain't going to jail for nobody and the senate is quiet even if the House is lining up to kiss butt! Well the Freedom cause part anyway.
What you think repub rats won't jump ship to save their own arses?
Yeah, but first you need a smoking gun and at present there is not one. No smoke, no gun, no nothing. Just a bunch of sore losers. Now it might come out in the future, but so far, nada.
Even if we cannot find collusion with a foreign party yet (That's a big yet), we already have his business practices under scrutiny, and charges may be pending, as his cohort go to jail, and hopefully you were holding your nose still when he give himself such high praise AGAIN for his response to Americans in dire need already, but a disaster after being hit by TWO hurricanes with 3000 dead. I mean you holler about 4 Americans killed in a foreign land, but ignore THOUSANDS that died in our own territory? Oh yeah there has been plenty of smoke around this Dufus's words AND behavior to know there is a fire burning somewhere, just listen to him when his head explodes like a volcano every time someone gets close to him with a bucket of water.
Sooner or later JL you will realize your nose is hurting from always holding it, and you can't breath and instead of blaming the lying, cheating, dufus you voted for, you will only holler Hillary, with a bit of Obama thrown in for variety. I think you would be happier being able to breath through your nose and can close your mouth for a while so The Dufus can't keep shoveling crap down your throat for you to swallow and regurgitate on his command.
But I guess as long as you get your judges and a few bucks you're happy with the way things are going, but I expect more from the country that supposed to be so great. I want more than just the words, but the deeds and actions, and all the action the dufus has shown is selfish and stupid at best, and criminal no doubt, more lies than truth for sure.
You'll see.
the King added in an offended tone, and everybody laughed, 'Let the jury consider their verdict,' the King said, for about the twentieth time that day. 'No, no!' said the Queen. 'Sentence first — verdict afterwards.' 'Stuff and nonsense!' said Alice loudly
You would sound a lot more genuine if you conceded that the candidate you voted for required just as much nose holding as the one I voted for. This is the posture of liberals, to try and convince everyone else of their moral superiority when in fact they have but little morality. The people who yawned and went back to sleep after Benghazi and the lying that accompanied it for months afterward have no room for claiming the moral high ground. You really should try to clean the dirt from your own shoes before taking care of everyone else's.Quote:
Sooner or later JL you will realize your nose is hurting from always holding it, and you can't breath and instead of blaming the lying, cheating, dufus you voted for, you will only holler Hillary, with a bit of Obama thrown in for variety.
Unfortunately, Trump offends in some way something or someone every day.Quote:
the candidate you voted for required just as much nose holding as the one I voted for.
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Originally Posted by tomder55
Fantasy doesn't apply to the reality of the events. As cohorts of the Dufus are charged and sentenced, Mueller AND others are bring charges, and building cases against The Trump Empire in a court of law. Hey maybe he gets off with a fine or NOTHING, that remains to be seen, maybe nobody else goes to JAIL, but it's hardly nonsense, and wasn't before when he paid fines and was ordered restitution.
Was that stuff and nonsense?
If I had to hold my nose I wouldn't have voted for Hillary. Let's understand though I'm not trying to convince you of anything, that's a waste of time and a lesson I learned many years ago. Case in point, while you are stuck on Benghazi, thousands of Americans have died and thousands more still suffer while the Dufus pats himself on the back and lies about how great he did.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
You're entitled to your selective outrage I suppose, and how you keep your shoes. You are not entitled to your own facts however, and your right wing loony conspiracy theories are old and debunked by official investigations. You loonies never concede you're wrong. That's sad, but I have little sympathy for it. Nothing personal just FACTS!
You need to see a nose doctor at the earliest possible moment. She smelled to the high heavens.Quote:
If I had to hold my nose I wouldn't have voted for Hillary.
https://www.politifact.com/personali...yruling/false/
You can be sure that if that was a true statement, the left wing press would be all over it. I was referring to 4 REAL Americans as opposed to your fantasy.Quote:
thousands of Americans have died and thousands more still suffer while the Dufus pats himself on the back
DUDE, Puerto Ricans ARE Americans! Their dilemma has been all over the news.
DUDE, I know this is going to be a shock to you, but President Trump was not responsible for Hurricane Georges.
Besides, that report of several thousand Puerto Ricans being dead from the hurricane is a prime example of modern math. The way they arrived at the number is questionable in the extreme.
they remember how much hay they made blaming Bush for Katrina .
Whether 4 people died in Puerto Rico or 3,000 the real fact is the response was inadequate. The president may not be responsible for the deaths but he is responsible for the response. You can argue all day about mortality statistics and it helps no one
I just hope you said the same thing about Benghazi, which was really cut and dried and 100% the responsibility of Obama and Clinton, but I suspect you didn't. It's only wrong when it happens with Trump. That's my primary source of disagreement with you.
Now it might be that the response could have been significantly better, though I don't think anyone can be sure of that, but even that would not have helped much with the death toll. It would not have stopped the winds and destruction.
It would probably help if you guys would stop taking victory laps after your photo shoots and declaring mission accomplished, or "we done a good job".
It will be easy for me to stop since I never started.Quote:
It would probably help if you guys would stop taking victory laps after your photo shoots and declaring mission accomplished, or "we done a good job".
Tell that to the guy you held your nose and voted for.
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Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Benghazi was not a natural disaster, it was an Obama/HC stuff up so we should not be discussing these Events as equal. Benghazi cost a few lives which may have been preventable. When you talk about incompetence you should separate lack of compassion from racism
Exactly. The events are not equal at all, since unlike a natural disaster, Benghazi was completely preventable, and liberals sat on their content rear ends and said nothing because that was politically expedient.Quote:
Benghazi was not a natural disaster... we should not be discussing these Events as equal...Benghazi cost a few lives which may have been preventable.
You might have grounds to challenge his competence, but the racism comment is just another baseless charge from liberals who can think of nothing else to say. When you throw that charge out just because you feel like it, it loses its meaning and just becomes another tired and worn out expression, much like the boy who cried wolf. Sooner or later you need to find a real racist to complain about.
"Benghazi cost a few lives." So says the person who was not amongst the dead.
"Tell that to the guy you held your nose and voted for." Next time he calls I'll be sure to bring it up.
EVERYBODY was just as horrified as you with the loss of life at Benghazi, and to suggest otherwise is total ignorance.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe;
So racism doesn't exist, The Dufus never was a racist and isn't one now! That's your position? The Dufus is a real racist we complain about among other dastardly traits that may take a court of law to deal with. Not unlike his past brushes in court that found he willfully discriminated in his leasing practices, or bilked people out of their life savings.Quote:
You might have grounds to challenge his competence, but the racism comment is just another baseless charge from liberals who can think of nothing else to say. When you throw that charge out just because you feel like it, it loses its meaning and just becomes another tired and worn out expression, much like the boy who cried wolf. Sooner or later you need to find a real racist to complain about.
Neither were you, but you have been obsessing over one event for 6 years, ignoring the many investigations findings, even the one Trey Gowdy held for years, until he came up with nothing new. You're stuck if that's ALWAYS your fallback reason for EVERYTHING.Quote:
"Benghazi cost a few lives." So says the person who was not amongst the dead.
Don't hold your breath... I sure ain't!Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Don't take my words out of context. What HC did at Benghazi was inexcusable, but then what Trump did at Peurto Rico was also inexcusable.. No I wasn't at Benghazi, I'm not given to acts of adventurism, and someone needs to speak for the dead, which I don't see you doing, you are just being opportunistQuote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Trump is racist or at least his acts are.
When you speak of the dead, you are a noble person. When I speak of the dead, I'm an opportunist. How convenient for you.Quote:
I'm not given to acts of adventurism, and someone needs to speak for the dead, which I don't see you doing, you are just being opportunist
Trump did not kill anyone in Puerto Rico. A hurricane did that.
What racist acts are you referring to?
The deaths were indeed horrific, but that's not the point, and you should know it. We were horrified by the utter lack of preparation by HC, by her total inaction during the event, and by her steadfast lying (aided and abetted by Mr. Obama) for months afterwards as to the cause. You are perfectly fine with all of that, since you said you voted for her without holding your nose, and that is sad.Quote:
EVERYBODY was just as horrified as you with the loss of life at Benghazi, and to suggest otherwise is total ignorance.
So we are still back to the old double standard. I'm just waiting for you to say that HC completely bungled the whole thing and, as a result, people died that should not have died. That's the accusation you are making about Trump and PR. Maybe that's true, but you can't have it both ways. So I'll continue to bring it up until we can treat HC and Trump in an equal fashion.
They were equals during the campaign, that is no longer the case as The Dufus will be judged as the CIC NOW, and as such will bear greater scrutiny, than a SOS ever could. Since you obviously cannot grasp the complexity and nuance of my position, you would do well to stick with what you know best and that's chunking rocks for the sake of throwing rocks at the ghosts of the past while ignoring the reality of today, but I respect your honest hate of liberals, no biggie to me.
I get you have intense feelings.
Your position is the essence of simplicity. One standard for republicans, and a far easier and more lenient one for democrats. That's the difficulty of this, that you cannot bring yourself to admit it, evidently not even to yourself. I hate no one, and certainly not liberals. You will note that you are the user of the derisive word "dufus", not me. But I do despise double standards. No doubt, being human, I employ them sometimes myself, but even then it is a despicable practice.Quote:
Since you obviously cannot grasp the complexity and nuance of my position,
Bruce Ohr ,in testimony to Congress this week told them that he warned the FBI that Christopher Steele was an unreliable source .He was ignored ,and the FBI used the dossier as evidence to obtain FISA Warrants . He made clear that these conversations included all the heavyweights in the FBI investigation,Peter Strzok, ,Lisa Page, and Andrew McCabe. So senior people were very aware of Steele's role, information and conflict of interest (Ohr told Congressional investigators that Steele had a hatred of Trump that made his work suspect) . All these events came AFTER the FBI terminated their relationship with Steele due to him being unreliable .The FBI made no mention of Ohr's warning in the application, instead characterizing Steele as a “reliable” source. Nor does the application note that Ohr's wife was contributing to the dossier and benefiting financially from the dossier .
Breaking News,
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/31/u...-manafort.html
WASHINGTON — An American lobbyist on Friday admitted brokering access to President Trump’s inauguration for a pro-Russian Ukrainian oligarch in a scheme that highlighted the rush by foreign interests to influence the new administration.As part of a plea agreement under which he pledged to cooperate with federal prosecutors, the lobbyist, Sam Patten, pleaded guilty to failing to register as a foreign agent for a Russia-aligned Ukrainian political party, and to helping the Ukrainian oligarch who had funded that party illegally purchase four tickets to Mr. Trump’s inauguration.
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