As I said Tom not a quality implementation
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As I said Tom not a quality implementation
So far out of Alaska's 140,000 uninsured ,7 have managed to sign up in the exchanges 3 weeks into it's launch.
Few Alaskans signing up for Obamacare through online health marketplaces | KTVA CBS 11 | Anchorage, Alaska News and Weather | Top Stories
Hello again, tom:
If it fails of its own accord, then good riddance. But, those numbers WILL change. In fact, "signing up" ISN'T buying anything. No policies will be sold until January 1. And, of course, we KNOW that the national website is screwed up.. But, it WILL be fixed, and people WILL buy insurance. How many? I dunno. You don't either.
Speaking of the unknown, since the amount of people who're gonna BUY insurance isn't known, then it CAN'T be known if Obamacare will work.
THAT, my friend, is just so.
excon
You wrote about equality, except for the slaves, then you hollered and killed for the right to have slaves. Then you hollered and killed for the right to deny them the vote, then you hollered about helping old people, young people, and people you made poor.
Then you hollered about paying for people who go to the emergency room and called them lazy and stupid for not having insurance but now you holler about getting them to pay for insurance and get a doctor.
You guys just like to holler.
How about hollering at the insurance companies who keep raising your rates, and kicking you off when you needed them? Naw, you don't holler about that. At least not anymore.
? Try decaffQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Caffeine or not, Tom, you can't keep hollering foul before the play starts and when its just not your turn at bat. You cannot ignore your own failures to win elections and votes are the American Way.
Nobody's fault but your own you keep selecting the wrong conservative. Or the wrong presidential nominee. Go ahead keep getting rid of your RINOS.
You are wrong because every other entitlement program in history had bipartisan support prior to passage. You cannot ignore the fact that the emperor's minions had 3 years to put together a web site to get the ball rolling and they failed miserably at that .Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Here is the reality... on Jan 1 the IRS is going to start asking what insurance you are signed up in... and MANY people will not have an answer. Many more think they are signed up but are not .Still more are signed up to multiple options . You cannot deny the fact that the HHS Sec is going around the country and admitting that she has no answers to the basic flaws in the exchange system.
But she doesn't have the time to attend a Congressional hearing on the problems with the web site.Quote:
You cannot deny the fact that the HHS Sec is going around the country and admitting that she has no answers to the basic flaws in the exchange system.
CNN: Sebelius Making Time For Gala, Not Testimony Before Congress - YouTube
Show me the rule where there has to be a bi partisan support for passage of a bill to become a law. I thought it was just having the votes to pass was what matters. Now the rollout of this program may not be the best at this early stage, but that doesn't mean it won't get better, so we have to see what happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
As to your IRS reality that too is suspect since enrollment will continue untilApril, and..
Health insurance mandate: How will it work? - Jun. 29, 2012
So clearly you cannot be penalized until April 15th 2015 when the tax returns for 2014 are due. So what are you hollering about?Quote:
The penalty will be pro-rated based on the number of months during the year that you're uninsured, although those who are uninsured for less than three months in a given year would not be subject to the penalty.
No subpoena? Who in there right mind skips a party for date with Darrel Issa? That's a no brainer, so what's your point?Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Maybe Issa should have gone to the gala, but who would invite him to a dogfight? Really sorry things ain't working out according to the winger plan, but that's the consequences of FAILING to win the last election.
More my way or the highway logic... the emperor taught you well Padawan .Quote:
Show me the rule where there has to be a bi partisan support for passage of a bill to become a law. I thought it was just having the votes to pass was what matters.
Wonder why he now is asking for bipartisanship on entitlement reform ? I'll answer for you since you obviously don't get that something as major as entitlements ,or other congressional reforms that will last for generations and significantly affects tens of millions of Americans. Should have a broad based support . Otherwise what you have is what you see now... disunity, angry protests, increased political polarization, and deepen distrust of Washington.
Social Security had majority support by Republicans in the House (81 yes, 15 no) and in the Senate (16 yes, five no).
Doctors were opposed to Medicare and Medicaid, but the public supported it . The two programs attracted a bipartisan majority in Congress of nearly all Democrats and half the Republicans. Medicare Part D prescription drug benefit got nine Democratic votes in the House, but 35 of 48 Senate Democrats voted for it.
Obamacare ? The Repubics were virtually shut out of the process and the vote tally showed that .
And you think maybe the IRS won't be asking for proof of insurance starting Jan 1 with the personal mandate still in place ? What happens to filiers who don't have insurance yet .Do they now have to wait until April to file ?Quote:
As to your IRS reality that too is suspect since enrollment will continue untilApril, and..
Ummm it isn't Issa's committee requesting her presence . It's the Energy and Commerce Committee chaired by Fred Upton who requested her testimony . Usually subpoenas aren't necessary because a cabinet member who's very job was dependent on advise and consent understands the importance of transparency . I guess the concept of oversight either escapes you ,or like the rest of the regime you think it's beneath the executive dept to permit Congress to do their constitutionally delegated role .Quote:
No subpoena? Who in there right mind skips a party for date with Darrel Issa? That's a no brainer, so what's your point?
No doubt she'll agree to an invite by Sen D*ckhead Durbin where she'll be happy to answer soft ball questions about her failures as HHS Sec.
Come off it Tom, you cannot answer a question honestly so you get snarky, and fact is there is no penalty for not having insurance this year, and you can file 2013 taxes whenever you want by April 15th. 2014, as usual.
Your facts are seriously flawed.
Tal, change is hard to understand for older people, perhaps this is why Tom dislikes the ACA so much
Do you listen to yourself? You more or less insulted our intelligence on another thread and I just have to wonder how smart it is to stubbornly defend a poorly planned policy with so many bad consequences that America doesn't want and you can't even get the signup right... and then blame the shutdown for the exchange disaster.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
From Obama's pep rally on Obamacare today:
What the? Come on, stop treating us like we're all stupid.Quote:
“About three weeks ago, as the federal government shutdown, and the Affordable Care Act's health insurance marketplaces opened up across the country,” said Obama. “Well, we've now gotten the government back open for the American people and today I want to talk about how were going to get the marketplaces running at full steam as well.”
P.S. Of the 13 props he had onstage with him today, only 3 managed to actually register. They couldn't find 13 people who managed to get through and know for sure their registration was good?
This is EXACTLY what most of the AMerican population views Obamacare like...
http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2007/05/1...rly-poster.jpg
Excatly what it ammounts to... a body cavity search.
Glitches have been redefined as 'technical problems ' .Given how much money the Obamacare website has already cost, how much will taxpayers have to shell out for the "tech surge" to fix it?
Probably a lot less than the shutdown of the government costs taxpayers.
Unlikely... Obamas lied about everything else... it's likely already cost in the Billions so far... so why not throw a few Billion more at something that's hopelessly broken.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
What they should be demanding is a full refund for breach of contract and non-performance.
Claiming it "has a few small problems" is like claiming that ex taxicab with 300,000 miles bellowing smoke and running on half its cylinders and not a straight panel on the entire body just needs "minor detailing" to make it like new.
You are just demonstrating you don't understand software development. What the problem here is scale, very few systems are written for similtaneous access by millions of on line clients. When such a system is written it isn't possible to test this aspect of operation.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
So you have a system that fell over in the field. Welcome to the club
They had THREE years... less than one percent of the people that actually we able to even get registered were able to get insurance... that is far less than a fraction of a percent.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Way over a 99% failure rate at roll-out... beta tests have far fewer problems. Hell, most alpha testing works better.
For something that was already over budget by many times the original contract bid and award. Most federal contracts would have been canceled for non-performance... we aren't talking minor bugs... we are talking about something that flat out doesn't come anywhere near working as advertized..
Am I a programmer? No... but I've got more than a little experience in beta testing. I used to work Research and Development earlier in my career.
And nothing this flawed by any reputable company would ever have a customer actually touching it...much less be put on the market.
Once again you are not listening. You can beta test the thing to death, but with out an army of autobots you cannot create sufficient accesses to test what happened. I actually logged on to the site before Oct 1 and had no problem with access. Systems subjected to massive simultaneous access fail, it is device hackers use, but this time when you have millions of clients, no system is going to give faultless operation. The possibility should have been foreseen and access staggered, but then when you have hundreds of thousands of government employees out to lunch courtesy of a do nothing congress, what do you expectQuote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
I wonder how the NSA does it? lolQuote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Unlimited resources and a targeted approach but they are monitoring data streams, not trying to communicate in a human/machine interfaceQuote:
Originally Posted by cdad
Hello again,
When the website gets fixed, NOBODY will remember that it stumbled out of the gate...
Yawwwwwwn.
excon
You might be used to or happy with buying a product that works less than 1% of the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
If any other business put a product to market that worked even 90% of the time... meaning a 10% failure rate a Fraud investigation by the Federal Trade Commission would be underway (at least here in the USA it would).
I guess I should start selling crap to Liberals saying like Obama does , telling them don't worry it will be fixed eventually... knowing the dimwits that fall for that line are the ones who will be paying the bill to fix it after they paid to buy it.
Only OBama or a liberal would get away with doing this to the public....if Microsoft or Apple ever pulled this they would have to pay back every dime....AND pay fines on top of that.
Bet there is a delay in the individual mandate... as the Republicans suggested .
Uh no, that's just not true in the least.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
You mean like Apple Maps that was a colossal failure and no fines or money back was paid. Like that?Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
You still don't get it when I build software I expect a 100% success rate but that is after quality control testing, beta site implementation, now commercially I have often found these expectations are not met, and now we buy software from the third world you get a third world experience. Welcome to the third world. With a third world debt rate you have to expect thisQuote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
No one has lost money yet, but it won't be long I suspect before the software builder is bankrupt before the legal eagles get their pound of a$$
How much did you pay for apple maps?Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Really... then what are all these recalls here for things that fail only a small percentage of the time?
Fraud is the process
In incidentally...
Fraud Investigations - PInow.com
Fraud is considered to involve misrepresentation with an intent to deceive. If a company makes specific promises about a product, for example, in order to sell that product, they may be guilty of fraud if they are aware that the product does not work as advertised.
THis is NOT doing what it was supposed to do... And it doesn't do it over 99% of the time.
I DO get it... If the people I worked for sold something that didn't work over 99% of the time there would be HUGE problems they would he held responsible for committing fraud. Its a gnats hair from not working at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
And there is a HUGE difference between something that works 99% of the time with a few bugs... and something that works far less than 99% of the time and has massive problems... well beyond "bugs".
When you build software you start with a set of signed specs, but often the brilliant mind in the corner decides there is more, and more, and more until the whole thing must be redesigned. So we start with a data base of say fifty million items and then someone tacks on the need to allow every citizen to have a record, then every resident and cross reference to IRS, existing insurers and register of births and deaths, Before long the bemouth is housed under several city blocks and needs the equivalent of several dozen CRAYS. To do the job Why you didn't just use the NSA systems I cannot say but perhaps they were doing something useful, like listening in to France, Brazil, Germany and who knows whereQuote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
If you sell someone a car for $1,000 but before you actually give them the keys you make them pay $10,000 for it... but it still doesn't work... so you tell them if they keep paying you, you can fix it... but it might cost them $50,000 by then... but by the way... you are stuck with it and you can't get your money back... and you have to continue to pay them to make it work as they claimed.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Despite the fact you only contracted to buy the car which was advertised as running with no defects for $1,000 to begin with.
Apple Maps came with the $600 phone.
Anyway I know what fraud is. I was just showing how what you posted was totally incorrect.
Hello again, tom:Question: When is a mandate, NOT a mandate?Quote:
Bet there is a delay in the individual mandate... as the Republicans suggested .
Answer: When there's NO penalty for NOT paying it!
exconQuote:
The law prohibits the IRS from seeking to put anybody in jail or seizing their property for simple refusal to pay the tax. The law says specifically that taxpayers “shall not be subject to any criminal prosecution or penalty” for failure to pay, and also that the IRS cannot file a tax lien (a legal claim against such things as homes, cars, wages and bank accounts) or a “levy” (seizure of property or bank accounts).
You've shown you are totally incorrect...Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
If that iPone didn't work over 99.9% of the time... and apple tried to charge the people that bought the phone money un unlimited ammount over and above that $600 to fix it so it did (and they had no choice but pay)... THEN you might have something that began to approach the severity of this fraud.
Now you're just changing your story... like always.
Hello again, smoothy:
Fraud? FRAUD?Quote:
THEN you might have something that began to approach the severity of this fraud.
You cost the taxpayers $24 BILLION when you shut down the government for NOTHING...
Now, THAT'S a FRAUD!
excon
No... YOU are every time you get caught.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Canada might not have any consumer protection laws... but the USA does. And pushing off a product that DOESN"T work as claimed over 99.9% of the time is fraud under OUR laws. I guess that explains why a Canadian Company can make such a mess of this... they think it doesn't have to actually work.
This is NOT the same as something that actually does work most of the time... this effectively works almost NONE of the time.
Obama shut the government down... HE refused to sign bills legally sent to him that would have kept everything running... Face it... love it... embrace it... YOUR Messiah OWNS that.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
See? More incorrect info. It's non-stop with you.Quote:
Canada might not have any consumer protection laws
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