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I don't give a rat's arse what you do, but I'll fight for the right to life for babies, the most innocent, helpless human life, to my dying breath. I'm not one bit ashamed of that. I'd be ashamed to support infanticide as you do.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
But you'll gladly support other people's children dying in a needless war.
But deny those same kids food stamps, or a living wage, or an education. Not you but elected righties.
Wrong bucko. When you care to argue honestly let's talk.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Again, wrong bucko. I'm all for feeding people who need the help, I do so personally every month along with helping to pay for their education. I don't support taking your resources to feed others, I'll gladly sacrifice my own resources but not yours.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
You would gladly deny me the privilege of helping others by taking my resources to use as you please denying my choice to make better use of those resources for the 'common good', whether they actually NEED my help or not. You yourself argued that Filthy Filner was a local issue so let them work it out. I know what my locals need so so let me work it out without your interference.
And I will never support the pathetic, biased, FAILING liberal public education that serves the interests of teachers and unions more than the children. You can feed the union masters and I'll feed the children.
Good luck, there are millions of 'em.
Do you help them all (your locals), or are there some you have no additional resources for? If that's the case, what happens to the ones you cannot help?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Speech has a solution he would offer them the same solution he offers his lame horse
And of course the government is much better at confiscating other peoples money and distributing it to those in need. But we know that is not the case , because if it were ,then there would be no need for all these local,national,and international private charities. We know that's not so because after all the decades of wars on poverty ,of ever expanding expenditure of public resources on education... the poverty levels have not significantly changed ,and our school systems in fact have deteriorated ;getting less bang for the buck ,and leaving generations of kids behind. The undeniable truth is that government SUCKS at that type of thing .It is not a matter of how much they pick from your pocket... its how they manage it .Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Rave on Tom and avoid the issue. Relying on the beficience of the rich doesn't get the job done and of course it never will, because they create the situation in the first place by denying a living wage to the lowest paid workers, by creating a health care system that is just a tax deduction so that someone without a job doesn't get care and worst still by buying the loyalty of the very people who are supposed to represent the masses. Sometimes you just have to say enough is enough but when is it enough when they export the jobs and call it enterprise
So the job creators are the problem... more strange lefty thinking .
Tom I come back to the definition of madness to do the same thing and expect different results. You continue to rely on the past and it isn't working for you. The reason is these job creators have become greedy and what's more they have realised what your founders realised, there is great profit in the use of slave labour and if you can't get slave labour get cheap labour.
This is a new age, we are beyond enlightenment now, every man is enlightened, but it seems no smarter
Combined with the gifts of others using it efficiently it goes a lot further than filtering it through the government bureaucracy.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
See Detroit, where all those unfunded liabilities to union workers and every other liberal solution imaginable has left them bankrupt and without basic services.
Am I in this alone or are you helping too?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Of course! I even help your locals that you aren't able to help personally.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
And see, I avoided the snark and asked nicely and this is what I get, a stick in the eye. Remember that next time you whine about me. Still waiting to see all those names I called you...Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
How was that snarky? It's my tax dollars at work helping those you can't afford to help voluntarily.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
I didn't bother to search since you very neatly proved my point yesterday.
How is it snark? Seriously? Let's just call a truce, OK?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Nothing to see here, move along...
NBC San Diego : Mayor's Accuser: I Asked For Help, He Asked for Date
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A nurse and a U.S. Marine claim San Diego Mayor Bob Filner abused his elected office when he asked for a date in exchange for helping a wounded veteran solve a problem with Veterans Affairs.
Marine Katherine Ragazzino spoke Tuesday about a meeting with Filner in which the mayor implied that he would help solve Ragazzino’s issue with the VA only if Tyler agreed to attend a public event with him or have dinner with him.Ragazzino suffered a traumatic brain injury and PTSD while serving in Iraq
As if preying on a woman trying to help a wounded marine wasn't bad enough, several female veterans are coming forward claiming Filner hit on them, too... and they were victims of sexual assault.
Might I emphasize that Filner was still a US congressman at the time, for 4 years he was chairman of the House Veterans’ Affairs Committee. So how long was he preying on vulnerable women, using his position and power to wage his war on women? And who else knew?Quote:
The man on the voicemail is flirty and clearly asking for a date. But it's the name on the message that's raising red flags.
"Hi, it's your newly favorite congressman, Bob Filner. You know, the one who fell in love with you at your last speech," he told Eldonna Fernandez.
He also asked her out to dinner in the message.
"I don't want to wait 'til you come back to have dinner with you," he said.
That message was left a year ago, while Filner was serving his 10th term as a U.S. congressman. He had met Fernandez at a National Women's Veterans Association of America "Healing and Hiring Fair."
When Fernandez got the message, she immediately deleted it. But when sexual harassment allegations against the now-San Diego mayor began to surface a few weeks ago, she remembered the "creepy" message and was surprised to find it still sitting in her iPhone's voicemail trash.
"Ugh. It creeps me out, it creeps me out," Fernandez said. "The guy's got problems."
But the unwanted voicemail isn't the real problem for Fernandez. It's where and to whom he made inappropriate advances.
Fernandez, along with Army veteran Gerri Tindley, joins 11 other women who have publicly accused Filner, 70, of making unwanted advances, from groping to verbal passes.
They are also among at least eight female veterans and members of the National Women's Veterans Association of America (NWVAA) in San Diego who have made accusations against the mayor. Almost all of the women say they were victims of sexual assault while they were in the military.
The women, like Fernandez, say the former chairman of the House Veterans' Affairs Committee used his significant power and credentials to access military sexual assault survivors, who they say are less likely to complain.
Fernandez is a retired master sergeant from the Air Force. She served 23 years in the United States and was deployed to the Middle East after 9/11.
She said she was raped three times during her service. Like many victims of military sexual assault and rape, she suffered in silence, believing the system would never support her.
In civilian life, Fernandez now speaks openly about her assaults and is an active member of the NWVAA, which supports victims of military sexual assault.
Fernandez was speaking at an NWVAA event in August 2012 when she exchanged business cards with Filner.
"He looks at my card. He looks at me. He says, 'Fernandez. Are you married? Do you have a husband?' Very quick, very direct. I said, 'No, I'm divorced.' 'Well, you're beautiful, and I can't take my eyes off you, and I want to take you to dinner.' I was really shocked and I was like, 'Uh, OK,'" Fernandez said.
Then came the phone call and voicemail, which Fernandez never returned.
It's come to this in the war on women, Hooters is taking a stand...
Hooters sign: Bob Filner won't be served
Hello again, Steve:
Yeah, he's a turd. What do you think about scumbag Republican Senator Vitter? Do you give him a pass, like you accuse Democrats of doing? Or, are you going to argue that Vitter isn't as bad as Filner?? Probably.
excon
We've been there already, I've never given any of them a pass. But let me ask you, do you believe paying a prostitute for sex is as bad as preying on your employees or worse, wounded female veterans as chairman of the House Veterans' Affairs Committee? One wounded his family, the other - like Weiner - is a menace to the public.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
P.S. Vitter took responsibility for his actions, asked for forgiveness and has apparently kept his nose, or something, clean.
If you haven't noticed no one is giving Filner a pass, no one. Matter of fact everybody is calling for his resignation, but he resists and the law is on his side. Just like that scumbag governor ultrasound in Virginia.
So be outraged, but stop the free pass spin. You are no more outraged than anyone else, but the law calls for due process.
Did I say Filner was getting free pass? No, but what took you guys so long, this guy has obviously been doing this for years.
Hello again, Steve:
So, you want me to compare sh*t and tell you which one smells better. Well, I ain't going to do it.Quote:
But let me ask you, do you believe paying a prostitute for sex is as bad as preying on your employees or worse,
Excon
I remember the days of Clintoon, we were supposed to give him a break for getting a blow job in the oval office. But you want to crucify Vitter for paying a hooker and lump it into the same category as Filner using his position to prey on employees and vets who had already been sexual assault victims? Dude!Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Hello again, Steve:
I don't want to crucify anybody. I want to treat 'em ALL the same. If breaking the law is fine for a senator, then it oughta be fine for a mayor.
excon
You know the statute of limitations passed in the Vitter case so whatcha going to do? But back to Clinton, his sin was perjury but you lefties tried to make it about sex so it's very confusing keeping up with where you guys stand on things.
Correction we didn't just try, we did, and the senate agreed, and he went on to get elected AGAIN. Keep squealing.
As I recall the Senate voted on perjury and obstruction of justice charges, not a blow job - and he had already been reelected.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
I'm referring to 'you,' as in blowhard libs everywhere mischaracterizing the impeachment as being about sex when it was about perjury and obstruction of justice. It's very difficult trying to understand when the law actually means anything to you lefties and when it doesn't but I understand, with you guys it always depends on which way the wind is blowing.
For historical accuracy... Agreed ,you did try to make it about sex ;but there is nothing in the impeachment counts that mentions sex. Also he was impeached in his 2nd term ;not his 1st term . So no ;he was not elected again after impeachment .Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
You are right he got re elected amid the scandal, and he is still going strong. So is Hillary.
Not according to the Slimes
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/14/us...anted=all&_r=0
I wonder if the IRS did an audit ?
I wouldn't underestimate the former first family.
She did such a fine job in 2008
It's come to this on Bob "the filthy turd" Filner...
Great-grandmother Peggy Shannon accuses Mayor Bob Filner of sexual harassment - Shannon says mayor grabbed, kissed her
Before you go all "the Republican POLICY war on women is not the same as a Democrat pervert" on me let me state again, this was an employee. And, not only was Filner using his position to harass women that worked for him and female veteran victims of sexual assault as Chairman of the House Committee on Veterans' Affairs, three separate female officials WARNED the San Diego Democratic party about him before they ran him for mayor.
If sticking with your best chance at winning the office - knowing the guy could be big trouble - is more important than the women you're supposed to be protecting isn't a war on women I don't what is.Quote:
The Democratic Party of San Diego needs better lawyers. Or rather, it should have used the lawyers it has.
In 2011, at least three women warned the head of the San Diego County Democratic Party of stories in the community about then-Rep. Bob Filner making inappropriate advances toward professional women with whom he'd come in contact through his political position.
Former California State Assemblywoman Lori Saldaña, San Diego County Democratic Central Committee member Martha Sullivan, and Escondido City Council member Olga Diaz all brought uncomfortable incidents to the attention of Jess Durfee, who was until the end of 2012 Democratic Party chairman for San Diego, the eighth-largest city in America.
What happened next illustrates the enormous challenge the situation presented to local Democrats, who were looking to Filner as their best shot at retaking the mayor's seat in the heavily Republican community for the first time since 1992. It also reveals the party's short-sighted and ultimately self-destructive failure to do due diligence on the accusations, which were presented to the party secondhand and yet failed to trigger any kind of substantive investigation, or even an intra-party conversation with a lawyer.
I know what IS a war on women, putting obstacle in the way of them exercising their rights under the law to terminate a pregnancy allowed by that law. And then denying it's a war.
Filner is a pig!!
And yet a large portion of women are also anti-abortion, and a majority seem to support a ban at 20 weeks. Are they waging a war on themselves?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Dude, you know dam n well it isn't a war on women, it's fight for the life of the child. In our world, both sides live and in yours you choose who lives and who dies with the most innocent and helpless being the first victim. The second is quite often the mother tortured by killing her baby. I live with one of those women remember?
What part of the San Diego Democratic Party put their political interests ahead of the women they claim to represent and put this filthy pig out there to prey on them do you not get? They KNEW he was a pig and put him out there anyway.Quote:
Filner is a pig!!
That all well and good as we have a right to our opinion but whatever you believe right or wrong others have a right to do what's best for them. To make decision about their own lives and you don't. So it doesn't matter who is on what side of the issue, they have a right to a choice and you taking it away.Quote:
QUOTE by speechlesstx;
And yet a large portion of women are also anti-abortion, and a majority seem to support a ban at 20 weeks. Are they waging a war on themselves?
The funny part of your war it's waged against poor females that can't fight you back, because well to do, and women of mean ignore you and do as they please, which makes you a BULLY!! And a hypocrite for refusing to take care of the females you deny the right of choice too.
I don't choose, a female makes her own choice whether you or I like it or not, NOT live by yours choice for her.Quote:
Dude, you know dam n well it isn't a war on women, it's fight for the life of the child. In our world, both sides live and in yours you choose who lives and who dies with the most innocent and helpless being the first victim. The second is quite often the mother tortured by killing her baby. I live with one of those women remember?
No different than the republicans who do dirt, and still hold elective office.Quote:
What part of the San Diego Democratic Party put their political interests ahead of the women they claim to represent and put this filthy pig out there to prey on them do you not get? They KNEW he was a pig and put him out there anyway.
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