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Hello again, dad:
They were. Now they're occupied by bread winners. I believe it's been demonstrated that $15/hr would NOT raise the cost of a big mac appreciably, NOR would it appreciably impact their bottom line.Quote:
Most low wage jobs are considered stepping stones.
A good example would be Costco vs Walmart.. Costco pays its workers WELL, and manages to compete with Walmart, who pays its workers bupkus.
Excon
Is it me who despises the poor for advocating a living wage, or is it you who think they don't need it? As we speak those workers are already demonstrating across this land, for the right to unionize, and raise their standard of living with higher wages. I support them in that, if you don't that's cool, and that's reality too.Quote:
QUOTE by cdad;
Your right they shouldn't but in reality they do. That is why there are labor laws in this country. As far as negative impacts of being poor. Do you actually despise those that are poor so much that you think of them as helpless less then you persons? Why is it so hard to conceive that a person can rise above where they are but moving up the ladder on their own? To you these poor people are stuck where they are without your help. Reality speaks differently.
If you read anything in other forums I have written you would know I am not an absolutist, and believe in making adjustments to the reality we are in. I am perplexed by the conservatives being adamant that poor people can have no health insurance since it's a necessity, not a luxury, and costs us all a lot more when they don't. Not to mention the life changing consequences of not having it. Implementation of any plan, large or small has to allow for tweaks and adjustments being made along the way.Quote:
Why should they have changed anything about healthcare when its going to change anyway? Isn't Obamacare coming to fruition in 2014? And according to your beloved president Happy Meals are bad for you. How can you suggest such a thing?
Time and reality changes circumstances, and peoples thinking, and being poor is a growing thing in this country that goes well beyond politics, and the guy in the WH. You cannot dismiss that's reality. Doing nothing is NOT an option, stay stagnant I NOT a resolution.
Being a second class citizen because you have no money, no skills, and no options in a supposedly great nation is deplorable. Adjustments must be made.
Dude, stop repeating this fantasy that we hate the poor and don't care about kids after they're born. It's just a trite liberal narrative with no basis in reality like the war on women.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
We aren't the ones that want to keep people dependent on government a la Julia, and send kids to failing public schools.
We aren't the ones that said kids don't need a mom and a dad, in fact ex and Sharpton called O'Reilly a racist for mentioning the breakdown of the black family and now you want to talk about deadbeat dads? Gimme a break.
You are a racists if you point out the ills of the black family and ignore the same for the white families.
And spin it as you want its your actions toward the poor that don't quite match your words.
You have insurance yet holler about poor people having it. You don't want them to have a living wage either, you said so.
Hello again, Steve:
It's not that they're racists, exactly.. Ok, yes they are..Quote:
in fact ex and Sharpton called O'Reilly a racist for mentioning the breakdown of the black family
He has a fundamental misunderstanding of the black community... Rather than lamenting their plight, he essentially says they DESERVE it because, they're lazy, immoral, and looking for a handout.. He, like you, believes racism is over, therefore the ONLY reason to live like that is because they WANT to.
Does it sound different when I say it, than when O'Reilly does?
Excon
We all have a fundamental misunderstanding of the black community Ex, or is it that they have a fundamental misunderstanding of our community. We, none of us, are here to subsidise those who don't want to make a contribution, but we can show compassion to those who lack opportunity, or are victims of circumstance, no matter what race they might be.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
How that fits into the comments you have reflected and come up with racism I cannot say but I do know that there are certain members of the community, who can be characterised by their race, who are generally not contributing
Only in a liberal's world is concern for the problems of another race, racism. Geez you guys never quit with the bullsh*t.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
We've been over this a thousand times, too. We want a safety net for the poor, but why should we siphon off from what they need and suck up my taxpayer dollars I can be much more efficient with to help the truly helpless to give multiple free cell phones away? Priorities, dude.Quote:
And spin it as you want its your actions toward the poor that don't quite match your words.
Lies, lies, lies, Tal. You aren't interested in having an honest discussion.Quote:
You have insurance yet holler about poor people having it. You don't want them to have a living wage either, you said so.
Don Lemon must be a racist.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
CNN's Don Lemon: Bill O'Reilly's Criticism Of Black Community "Doesn't Go Far Enough"
So is Obama... for his own Autobiograpies..
Dreams from My Father Quotes By Barack Obama
Enthusiasm for Obamacare is apparently sky high. An OFA Obamacare event in the Washington DC suburb of Centreville, VA, attracted one participant. The lone volunteer that stuck around must have handled the onslaught with no problems.
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Lynn Duvall was the sole volunteer at the Centreville, Va. OFA event. | M.Scott Mahaskey/POLITICO
Yee haw!
Yeah... not a lot of people like it around here... Centerville is about a 20 minute drive for me... without traffic. Not at all surprised. The welfare class are the only ones that love it... and this area is expensive enough to run most of them to other areas.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
And now back to the latest Obamacare waiver. As previously mentioned Obama has waived his magic wand and magically wiped away the requirement for Congress and members of their staff to participate in the law they forced on the rest of the great unwashed.
Key Obamacare architect of the "train wreck" Max Baucus said of the rule requiring them to live with the law, "I'm very gratified that you have so much confidence in our program that you're going to be able to purchase the new program yourself and I'm confident too that the system will work very well."
Obviously the lower cost of health insurance under Obamacare won't work well enough for the ruling class since once again Obama is suspending his own law, which not only is another example of the double standards he espouses but is most likely illegal, not that legality ever stopped the emperor.
To quote my friend Talaniman, "Being a second class citizen because you have no money, no skills, and no options in a supposedly great nation is deplorable. Adjustments must be made. "Quote:
And now the White House is suspending the law to create a double standard. The Office of Personnel Management (OPM) that runs federal benefits will release regulatory details this week, but leaks to the press suggest that Congress will receive extra payments based on the FEHBP defined-contribution formula, which covers about 75% of the cost of the average insurance plan. For 2013, that's about $4,900 for individuals and $10,000 for families.
How OPM will pull this off is worth watching. Is OPM simply going to cut checks, akin to "cashing out" fringe benefits and increasing wages? Or will OPM cover 75% of the cost of the ObamaCare plan the worker chooses—which could well be costlier than what the feds now contribute via current FEHBP plans? In any case the carve-out for Congress creates a two-tier exchange system, one for the great unwashed and another for the politically connected.
This latest White House night at the improv is also illegal. OPM has no authority to pay for insurance plans that lack FEHBP contracts, nor does the Affordable Care Act permit either exchange contributions or a unilateral bump in congressional pay in return for less overall compensation. Those things require appropriations bills passed by Congress and signed by the President.
But the White House rejected a legislative fix because Republicans might insist on other changes, and Mr. Obama feared that Democrats would go along because they're looking out for number one. So the White House is once again rewriting the law unilaterally, much as it did by suspending ObamaCare's employer mandate for a year. For this White House, the law it wrote is a mere suggestion.
The lesson for Americans is that Democrats who passed ObamaCare didn't even understand what they were doing to themselves, much less to everyone else. But you can bet Democrats will never extend to ordinary Americans the same fixes that they are now claiming for themselves. The real class divide in President Obama's America is between the political class and everyone else
Amen brother, so let's start by ending this two-tiered system where the ruling class exempts itself from the laws they impose on the rest of us lesser beings. Surely that's a cause we can agree on.
As long a you include bankers, wall street and corporations with the ruling class we can agree.
But until then you're OK with the lawmakers exempting themselves from the laws they force us to live with, waging class warfare, enjoying benefits the poor can only imagine.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
P.S. I notice you exempted union leaders fattening their own wallets on the backs of workers again.
And to be sure not quite buying the spin WSJ is putting on this one either. Giving the system a chance to be tweaked and improved is hardly suspending the law, but I think jumping to quickly to conclusions is counter productive and self serving.
Not on one opinion that maybe more than biased.
I think you get excited and use a lot of embellishments when you discuss things you don't like. I can wait for further details before coming to conclusions. Then we can avoid the inflammatory rhetoric.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
What part of Obama is exempting congressional staff from his own law is embellished?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Remember Palin's "first gaffe"?Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
And then the emperor says this yesterday...Quote:
Palin Makes Her First Gaffe
Gov. Sarah Palin made her first potentially major gaffe during her time on the national scene while discussing the developments of the perilous housing market this past weekend.
Speaking before voters in Colorado Springs, the Republican vice presidential nominee claimed that lending giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac had "gotten too big and too expensive to the taxpayers." The companies, as McClatchy reported, "aren't taxpayer funded but operate as private companies. The takeover may result in a taxpayer bailout during reorganization."
Even Obama is now acknowledging Palin was right.Quote:
Helping more Americans refinance. Helping qualified families get a mortgage. Reforming our immigration system. Rebuilding the hardest-hit communities. Making sure folks have a decent place to rent. These steps will give more middle-class families the chance to buy their own home, more relief to responsible homeowners, and more options for families who aren’t yet ready to buy. But as home prices rise, we can’t just re-inflate a housing bubble. That’s the second thing I’m here to talk about today: laying a rock-solid foundation to make sure the kind of crisis we just went through never happens again.
That begins with winding down the companies known as Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. For too long, these companies were allowed to make big profits buying mortgages, knowing that if their bets went bad, taxpayers would be left holding the bag. It was “heads we win, tails you lose.” And it was wrong.
Posted about this earlier today forgetting the grief Palin got for her comments about Fannie and Freddie.
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Note that the emperor waited until he no longer needed their campaign donations.
Yeah we got the message sanity has returnded and the conditions which created the GFC are being wound back
Hardly... different bubbles are being created by the government like the cheap dollar bubble.Quote:
and the conditions which created the GFC are being wound back
Yes the fall out from that one could be a market crash again. I say give the bonds a decent return and let the people buy them, in fact, make them a required investment for pensions funds and 401k and stop this nonsense of flooding the economy with money. I remember my basic economics this is not a good policy
That's the problem Clete the economy hasn't been flooded with money, or living wage middle class jobs either. The bond market is doing great. Wall Street is happy and so are rich folks.
correct ,it's been flooded with monopoly money courtesy of the FED and the Treasury Dept's printing presses. Your stimulus has failed and all you have is idiots like Krugman who say we should double down on that failure.Quote:
the economy hasn't been flooded with money
Hey, it wasn't my stimulus and I would have let the banks fail along with the auto industry and AIG. A sharp correction is sometimes the answer. I think this zero interest is a farce distorting markets and buying bonds is just a blind. Look how it has distorted the stock marketQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Yes that was a Tal's comment I was replying to. Completely agree with statement above. That would be the capitalist solution to dealing with the crisis. I also think the US should adopt a strong dollar policy.Quote:
Hey, it wasn't my stimulus and I would have let the banks fail along with the auto industry and AIG. A sharp correction is sometimes the answer. I think this zero interest is a farce distorting markets and buying bonds is just a blind. Look how it has distorted the stock market
Palin wrote on Facebook... Hey media, now do you get it?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Palin was right time to put a cross on the wall
Palin was right about far more things than Obama has been.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Hello again,
Palin is a douche. Cruz is a Fascist. Rand Paul is NOT a libertarian. And, I NEVER thought I would miss George W. Bush, but I do...
excon
Leave it to the right wing to make a backwoods loudmouth who couldn't finish out her own term of office some kind of hero. No wonder you guys are screwed.
Um, that would be your emperor now embracing what Palin said five years ago as policy.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Obama is a socialist douche... Ried is a prune with dementia... and Pelosi is modling herself after the joker.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Considering the emperor only served in the Senate long enough to find the bathrooms ,that's a pretty funny comment.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
And found better bathrooms in the White House.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
He had to traverse 57 states to find them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Yes he did... he has a butler too .Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
While Palin became the cute back woodsy, maverick, governor on the rise only to find out she couldn't keep her commitment to her state after failing to win over her country. Better suited to the OUTHOUSE than the WHITE HOUSE, or the governors mansion. Perfect for Fox News, and the loony right wing fringe.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
I bet she knows there aren't 57 states and that Charleston, SC is on the east coast, not the gulf.
When she comes off her back porch looking at Russia and finds Arizona again, let me know so we can ask her.
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