Okay, we can vote on that too if you want. Right after the senate takes up the votes on its agenda.
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Okay, we can vote on that too if you want. Right after the senate takes up the votes on its agenda.
The Senate needs to have a vote on the budgets it has been presented the last 4 years its still sitting on. FIRST.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Okay let's vote on that too.
Hello again, wingers:
Would you get on an airplane if you KNEW that 40% of the people DIDN'T have to go through security?
excon
I didn't comment on the politics . I asked a follow up question which was : What are the poll #s on a national gun registry ?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Do you think you can have universal backround checks without a universal registration ?
To answer your question... no I don't think there is political consequences for Repubics who vote against it . I think there will be plenty of political consequences for Dems from Red or swing states that do vote in favor of it . Harry Reid knows this . That is why he has been luke warm and moving at a snail's pace ;while Emperor 0 has been in full campaign mode. If he thought he had the votes ;he wouldn't fly the Sandy Hook families in Air Force One on campaign stops .
I don't believe airport security is covered in the bill of rights.
Hello again, tom:
Sure. Put the bad guys in the data base, and if your name doesn't come up, no records are kept. Now, I COULD presume that the government would CHEAT, but that wasn't your question..Quote:
Do you think you can have universal backround checks without a universal registration ?
By the way, if that were the law, and it was ENFORCED, the government COULDN'T keep records.
Excon
Hello again, Steve:
So, you DO believe that bad guys WILL get guns. That, plus you think your right to bear arms is DENIED because you have to go through a background check?Quote:
I don't believe airport security is covered in the bill of rights.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again... That is the MOST CRIMINAL FRIENDLY position I have EVER seen from you wingers... You are SOOOOO unwilling to spend 5 minutes of your precious right wing time, and so what if real bad guys get some guns?? At least I won't be inconvenienced.
You guys are positively bleeding hearts...
Excon
The Schumer bill is a back door registry . The only difference is that technically the government isn't keeping the records... the gun dealers and law-enforcement agencies that conduct the checks keep the records . Without the records ,the law is useless. So no , a universal backround check is a defacto registry .
Sorry dude, you can rant all you want I cannot support a bad bill, no a TERRIBLE bill just because you and Obama are OUTRAGED.
Hello again, tom:
You didn't ask me about Schumers bill. You asked me if such and such is possible, and I said yes.Quote:
So no , a universal backround check is a defacto registry .
Now, you can call paper records kept at 10's of 1,000's of individual gun shops, a registry if you want to. You could call a bus a filet mignon too, but it isn't.
Excon
So that's your choice... an ineffective bill that doesn't do anything useful ;or a gun registry .But if it's a feel good bromide “something must be done” you are looking for that doesn't do any good ,and tramples on more rights... well that's what you are getting .
That's all that matters to libs, tom, that they feel better about themselves.
Hello again, tom:
What's feel good about DENYING criminals from getting guns? Look. This is simple... Put the bad guys IN the data base. When you buy a gun, if you're NOT in there, you get a gun.
Oh, I'm sure you'll throw up some other BS. You don't want to debate actual FACTS because you won't WIN.
excon
Last year the no-fly list doubled in a year . The government will not tell people whether they're on the list or why they're on it, making it impossible for people to defend themselves if they believe they are wrongly on the list People who complain that they're unfairly on the no-fly list can submit a letter to DHS , but the only way they'll know if they're still on the list is to try to fly again. We hear about the famous people who were denied a seat due to being on the list ;like Teddy Kennedy . But we don't hear about how many people were wrongly put on the no-fly list .
No-fly list strands man in on island in Hawaii | Fox News
Actually we do hear of some ;like the 13 people that the ACLU is going to bat for... including a four military veterans who were denied a plane ride for falsely being on that list .
That's 20,000 people.. How many would make it to your national database?. and more importantly ;how many people will end up on that list by a mistake ,clerical error etc. For a due process kind of person ,your position suprises me.
You know good and well that we don't want guns in the hands of criminals, but like health care again you guys won't settle for trying fix what's broken you want to get intrusive and overbearing. You know what I say to that? Bite me, I won't support a terrible bill, period.
Hello again, tom:
Because government hasn't worked well in the past is NO reason why we couldn't make it work now. Look.. Laws against murder haven't worked well in the past, but I don't hear you saying we should repeal them.
excon
Keep cheer leading for government like that and you'll have everyone convinced in no time. Go ahead, let the Senate vote and make all those red state Dems put it in the record before the House kills any chance of it passing.
14 People Stabbed at Lone Star Community College in Texas
I hope and pray everyone is OK. Now who is going to start the push for knife control?
Lets see Excon, Tal and crew push for knife registrations.. background checks before being allowed to be near sharp objects.
The list they have now already has the bad guys on it. Just a fact for your debate.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
He knows this, he also knows the stricter laws would have done nothing to prevent the Sandy Hook tragedy.
But what if it helps to prevent the next Sandy Hook, which may be in YOUR neighbor hood. Facts also say that its happened before, and probably will again, and if you are saying you know all the bad guys, because the system is perfect while 40% of the bad guys are not only unknown but will get away with murder.
Seems to me it's a time for ideas and actions not obstructing the debate with conspiracy theories and blasting people who are trying to improve the situation. A small noisy few who think doing NOTHING is acceptable in the face of the fact its happening.
Just wondering how YOU would feel when it happens to you?
By the way, while Obama is out shaming Americans about dead children over gun control, I ask what Mark Steyn asks, "So how many dead American babies does it take to make the news?"
Where is the NY Times on this? ABC? CBS? NBC? MSNBC? CNN? Anyone, anyone?
I'll spare you the gory, ghastly details, but why the blackout by most of the major media, do these children matter?
Hello again, Steve:
I LOVE your right wing logic.. Abortion is allowed so we might as well NOT stop bad guys from getting guns.. It makes SOOO much sense..
excon
And I love yours as well, brother. Stop animal abuse but not the murder of babies.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Okay so here's the rub outlaw abortion, guns, auto's, suicide, tobacco, alcohol and you have covered off most of the reasons for premature death, but, the general public are too stupid to go for this, after all, look how they reacted to prohibition. As soon as you ban something they want to do it. I think what we do is mandate contraception for any female outside of marriage, don't allow any person under 25 to drive a vehicle or possess a gun, drink or smoke and make it a felony offence to breach the rules
The local news is full of these stories, and MSNBC has been saturating the whole day with the politics of gun violence and the congresses refusal to take a vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Yep it's those gun totin, red necked Republicans who are holding up progress here
How many dead babies does it take to make national news? Hmm?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
See where the police took down and arrested this homeless man in Connecticut who was preparing to shoot at cans with a pellet gun ? The problem ? The yard he was in was within 100 yards of Emperor 0's motorcade route . 0 was still at the University of Hartford when the arrest took place and the motorcade had already passed . The guy did not know that the motorcade was scheduled to return .
The guy is still in jail because the police claim he initially wasn't compliant . He did not drop his pellet gun fast enough.
He is being charged with breach of peace in the second degree, threatening in the second degree and interfering with a police officer. All that because he wanted to shoot pellets at cans.
Hello tom:
Yeah, cops DO suck, don't they?
excon
I would not make a blanket statement based on a single instance . This was a judgement of a single cop. Another cop ;even in the same precinct may have handled the situation differently .
Hello again, tom:
You don't have to. I'll make enough blanket statements for both of us. Here comes one now. Cops STILL suck.
excon
Hello again, tom:
Looks like the background check they're settling on satisfies ALL of us.. Your friends can sell their guns amongst themselves, and NOTHING.. Your grandpa can give his gun to his daughter, and NOTHING.
But, if you buy a gun at a gun show or off the internet, you'll have to go through a background check. No gun registry will be maintained...
Good enough for you?? (Somehow, I'll bet not)
excon
Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
How about we just keep what we have regarding FFL regulations. And just put the wording in that all gun sales and transfers must be handled by a FFL. No added language and don't even mention registration. Let the FFL's handle it as that is what they have taken on.
Hello dad:
You're talking mechanics, and I couldn't care less.. What I want to do is STOP MONSTERS (who I know BETTER than you) from easily getting guns.
excon
Part of the problem is that we don't know who the next monster will be. I watched a friend go through a drug induced episode that was no fault of his own. It was bad enough to have my friend looked after for 72 hour observation. When he was taking was recommended by a doctor for a bad upper resprtory infection. The interaction was rare but if people around him didn't care and didn't step in to help him it could have gone out of control very easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Also we may need to modify our thinking on some of these drugs that are being taken and its relationship with HIPPA. I think it would be reasonable for persons taking certain classes of drugs to be restricted from gun purchases for a short period until they get over the hump. Maybe a years time. That does not in any way endorse the removal of guns already in their possession it just keeps them from getting new ones for a brief period.
I got an idea . Why don't they submit a bill for public perusal ;and allow sufficient time for public comment BEFORE they vote on it ?
Right now ,all I know is what Schmucky proposed . In fairness ,I trust Manchin and Toomey on this issue much more than Schumer . But the devil is still in the details .
Hello again, dad:
We don't have to.. All we need to know is that we're doing the best WE can to protect our children..Quote:
Part of the problem is that we don't know who the next monster will be.
The FACTS of the matter are, these proposals may NOT prevent ANY future atrocities from happening. Or they might prevent LOTS. We're not going to know. Do we know how many murders we prevented by making murder against the law? No, we don't. Do we THINK there are some? I'll bet we do.
Excon
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