Your words ;not mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
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Your words ;not mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Show me where the prosecution disputed that fact .Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Zimmerman was acquitted because the prosecution could not prove beyond a reasonable doubt he was guilty of the charges even though he admitted to shooting Martin. That's the way it works, get over it.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Hello again, Steve:
Your right wing knee jerked. I said NOTHING different than you. The NOBODY above, was the jury, and that's WHY they acquitted him.. Get over it.
At least you didn't say you took Zimmermans word like tom did.
excon
Then why are we still talking about it?
I take his word because no evidence was presented to dispute it even as the defense made it a key point . The prosecution had the last word and still did not dispute it .
Hello again, tom:
I'm not here to carry water for the prosecution. They were UNABLE to prove the allegations BEYOND a reasonable doubt.. That's just so. It was an IMPOSSIBLE hurdle from the get go.Quote:
show me where the prosecution disputed that fact .
The prosecution would have to PROVE, beyond a reasonable doubt, that, in those final moments, Zimmerman was the aggressor. Since we ONLY have Zimmerman's version, proof BEYOND a reasonable doubt cannot be known. It's an IMPOSSIBLE task. Whether the jurors believed him or not CHANGES nothing about the impossibility of the prosecutions case... It's absolutely consistent to BELIEVE that Zimmerman is a LYING, murdering, SOB, and I do, and believe the verdict was correct...
I don't know if he lied.. But, he WOULD lie if he were a murderer. You KNOW that he would.
Excon
Yeah the last card the prosecution played was the "liar" card .The evidence was something else. The evidence provided by Rachel Jeantel was that even though she advised him to run ,that he confronted Zimmerman instead . The evidence shows that when Zimmerman was advised by the dispatcher that they did not need him to pursue or even find out an exact address that Zimmerman attempted to return to his car. The evidence shows that Treyvon initiated the confrontation and that it was his option to either confront or avoid confrontation.
Hello again, tom:
Nahhhh. It's like I said, NOBODY was there but Zimmerman.. Therefore, the words out of his mouth AIN'T evidence. It's not even CLOSE. Evidence is CORROBORATED... At best, it's an accused murderer's VERSION of the facts - NOTHING MORE!Quote:
The evidence shows that Treyvon initiated the confrontation and that it was his option to either confront or avoid confrontation.
Now, you can BELIEVE it if you CHOOSE, but I'd ask myself why.
Excon
It's what the jury believes that matters and they've spoken.
Hello again, Steve:
We were talking about what YOU guys thought. But, if you want to leave it at that, I'm cool with it.Quote:
It's what the jury believes that matters and they've spoken.
Excon
What I think has been established, no need to rehash. Again, and again and again.
There was no evidence that showed who started the confrontation, just the word of the survivor who had a lot to lose, and was shown to be knowledgeable in what to say in this situation, yet lied about it on tape when asked directly.Quote:
The evidence shows that Treyvon initiated the confrontation and that it was his option to either confront or avoid confrontation.
That didn't seem to give the jury or you guys pause, or consideration for some reason. Nor the lack of remorse by Zimmerman. He got what he always wanted, he didn't let one of those guys get away this time, bloody nose and all the scraps and bumps.
Sorry while I try to respect the process, and the verdict, I can't believe Zimmerman in anything he says, and still see Trayvon as his victim, wannebe thug, or not. I guess the law did what it was supposed to. Protect a scared dumbass from his own stupidity, and bad judgement, and kept him out of jail.
Still with repeating the same old lies. I've documented his remorse. What do want from him, spend the next 20 years walking around with a sign saying I'm sorry or what? Where's the remorse from the media that falsely portrayed him as a racist "white Hispanic" murdering a helpless little black boy for wearing a hoody?
It's probably in the same place as you swallowing his story completely without reservation.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
He apologized to the family at his bond hearing, he tried to apologize to them privately but was "rebuffed" acccording to CNN, and also in the Hannity interview, but what you guys got out of that was God made him do it.
So what more do you want?Quote:
At times Zimmerman seemed to eke out a nervous smile, with sweat gathering on his upper lip. He spent much of the one-hour interview recounting the moments just before and after the shooting. But he also addressed Martin's parents. When asked what he would say to them, he answered, "I would tell them again that I'm sorry."
"I don't have my wife and I don't have any children," he said. "I have nephews that I love more than life, I love them more than myself. I know that when they were born it was a different, unique bond and love that I have with them. And I love my children, even though they aren't born yet. And I am sorry that they buried their child. I can't imagine what it must feel like, and I pray for them daily."
Zimmerman Apology: Trayvon Martin Shooter Tells Parents He's Sorry During 'Hannity' Interview
P. S. He sure sounds like a cracka when he talks eh?
Apologies are easy to give when you have nothing to lose.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
If I don't believe his account of events, or his reasoning behind his actions that led to the events why should I believe his apology. But I do believe the dead kid was afraid of the stranger stalking him.
John 8:7 But when they continued asking him, he lifted himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone... (ASV - sent from CadreBible)Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Would you be as respectful had a black jury convicted him?
I defer to the jury, period. That's how it works. Your turn.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Hello:
Stand your ground is soooo stupid... If somebody picks a fight with you, you'd BETTER lose, because if you start WINNING, he can shoot you..
excon
More proof that it's your side that is stoking the flames of racism. Why don't you look up the jury trial of the murderer of Yankel Rosenbaum ,Lemrick Nelson and get back to us ? After that jury nullification of the law ,some of the jurors attended a party with Nelson.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Why can't you just answer the question?
You got the memo.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Media Won't Stand Down on 'Stand Your Ground' | National Review Online
I did. Your turn.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
From Jazz Shaw on the Comforter in Chief's 'healing' speech.
Spot on. You lefties have forgotten there is more than one family here and Zimmerman and his family's lives will never be the same even though he was found innocent of the charges.Quote:
This leads us to the other glaring omission. You'll note that in the initial expressions of sympathy and understanding, George Zimmerman's name was not mentioned once. If my previous, far fetched idea that Zimmerman was innocent – backed up only by the flimsy excuse that a court of law found him to be so – were even possibly true, was the Zimmerman family also not feeling the sting of the long, drawn out proceedings which followed and the social stigma which will be trailing George Zimmerman for the rest of his life? Was there not a moment to spare in this “historic speech” (as Wolf Blitzer later termed it) for a few thoughts for the family of the man who was found innocent?
Sorry I haven't moved to sympathy for the guy who started this tragedy by his actions before the confrontation, a 28 year old guy who supposedly was trained to know better, though I do feel sympathy for his family who yet again have had to endure his mistakes.
Because of him the "young thug wannabe" as you say will never be have the chance to amend his ways and be better. I can agree on the media hurting both families, but an honest dialog need to be had. You can't just sweep it under the rug and forget it.
Tom and I both posted what your 'honest dialog' consists of, or rather omits - the honest part.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
I don't care what a jury looks like. So long as they follow the rule of law then the ruling is valid until it is appealed.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Why keep playing race as a factor?
So you don't agree him breaking the rules of being in the neighbor hood watch was the root cause that lead to this tragedy, and application of a bad law facilitated that decision to leave his truck?
Even the jury person acknowledged it influenced her thinking. He crossed a line of good behavior when he profiled the teen in the first place. He doesn't have to be a racist to be wrong.
Because it is and ignoring it keeps us stuck in the same mud of close minded segregation that creates more problem than it solves. You can't live in fear and prejudice and make policy and procedure from that fear, and prejudice without consequence.Quote:
Originally Posted by cdad
First off I don't believe stand your ground is bad law. Second is that stand your ground wasn't a part of this case. The fact you keep bringing it up shows your lack of concern for the parties involved and the prejudice you hold for the situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
I know your not in favor of carry permits in general and you believe that people who do carry that aren't police can never be properly trained. But your wrong. I aknowlage it's a terrible tragidy to have to lose a life when its someone so young. But maybe what this case should really be doing is focusing on the system that created this whole mess. This country is going to hell in a handbasket and we are dropping fast. We (everyone) needs to regain control of our own destiny and not just allow government to tell us where to be and what to do.
Im still proud of my country and do not fear voicing my opinion in it. I am pro 2nd amendment. I try to be reasonable about the way things are and focus on the law at hand. Too many teens are being twisted into situations they don't belong in and it's a result of attitudes and environment. Its time for change.
This case as I see it is Obama's saving grace so he and others are going to perpetuate it for as long as possible to keep the spotlight off the administrations activities and allow him to continue flying under the radar.
If you want to propose moving away from a nation of laws to one of a feel good anything goes society then start that argument so we can get on with the debate. But in my lifetime I have never seen so much BS being slung around as truth because the media says so as I have in this case. It is only going to get worse if we don't change.
The ONLY reason race continues to be a factor in anything is because your side perpetuates it. You continue to oppress persons of color for no reason other then to control them. Its very sad.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
What rules were these ? Who's rules ? I did some checking on that and did not find his neighborhood watch group affiliated with any outside organization ,or even directly with the local police.Quote:
breaking the rules of being in the neighbor hood watch
Does it not occur to you that had his intent been to shoot Martin ,he probably would not have called 9 1 1 first ? Or maybe you think that was part of his diabolical plot too ?
Hello again, dad:
That is the right wing narrative, isn't it? But, in order to believe that, you'd have to believe the birth certificate fiasco had NOTHING to do with race... Of course, it had EVERYTHING to do with race, didn't it??Quote:
The ONLY reason race continues to be a factor in anything is because your side perpetuates it. You continue to oppress persons of color for no reason other then to control them. Its very sad.
Excon
Maybe that was the problem Tom, they made up the rule as they went along without the proper guidance. The NW groups I have associated with were guided and set up with the help of the cop.
No wonder he screwed up and shot a neighbor.
Which birth certificate are you referring to ?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Hello again, dad:
I don't know if you actually DON'T know what I'm talking about, or if you're insulting my intelligence...Quote:
Which birth certificate are you referring to ?
If it's the former, you need to pay better attention. If it's the latter, that's what you guys do when you have NO answers.
Excon
Well ex everyone has a birth certificate but sometimes the details are embarrassing. Now we could conclude that the details are embarrassing for BO or they are embarrassing for his opponents
Eric Liu: Real Neighborhoods Should Do More than Watch | TIME.com
Trayvon Martin: Trayvon Martin shooter George Zimmerman broke Neighborhood Watch gun rules - Orlando Sentinel
Sanford's police chief eyeing changes for Neighborhood Watch program | Bay News 9
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A resident at The Retreat at Twin Lakes, where Martin was fatally shot, said the homeowner's association there permanently suspended their neighborhood watch program immediately after the shooting in February 2012. The neighborhood now has a community enforcement agreement with the Sanford Police Department.
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