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Elaborate spending proposals with no idea of how to pay for them!
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Make responsible people pay off the student loans of irresponsible people.
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Pretend to be a paragon of virtue and a responsible user of energy while owning three expensive homes.
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Rich guy tax breaks and repeal Obama care, and purge the voting rollsQuote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
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Make students the bad guys for student loans!
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Attack the dem front runner for being a socialist, and rich!
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Sevareid had it right back then and repubs have used the fear card to perfection before the dufus came along going back to Nixon. Now they have the complete set as an incumbent with no repub opponents is in his element on the campaign trail loaded with red meat for the base. Keep feeding the fools and he keeps power. LOL he told a SC rally that the coronavirus was a dem hoax, and so have his sycophants.
Election year politics at it's best(?) Everything goes!
Talking about the rich guys who pay 85% of the income taxes, and forgetting, as usual, that you can't give the bottom 50% a tax break since (duh!) they pay basically no income taxes?Quote:
Rich guy tax breaks and repeal Obama care, and purge the voting rolls
Yeah. Imagine that. Assuming that someone who voluntarily entered into debt should be held responsible for paying it back. Whoever heard of such a thing? I don't say they're the bad guys. I do say they're the stupid guys, and the only cure I know of for stupidity is having to bear the consequences of your dumb actions so you can learn from them.Quote:
Make students the bad guys for student loans!
Hey Tal. How many of those student debts belonging to a stranger have you paid off? I bet it's zero, which makes me think you're right back to wanting someone else to fund your charitable impulses.
He admits to being socialist so that's on him. As to being rich, I haven't attacked him for that. I have pointed out the stupidity of claiming to be the champion of the poor when your rich rear end sits in any one of three expensive homes. But that's right back to the typical liberal nonsense of wanting to claim some moral high ground for being willing to force someone else to support the poor while you enjoy your millions. How generous of him!!Quote:
Attack the dem front runner for being a socialist, and rich!
I already know your ultra conservative fundamentalists mind is forever stuck on that ridiculous idea of rich guy worship/hate poor people notion to find a solution that works for EVERYBODY so I'll easily dismiss your malady.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
And what other choice to better yourself through education do people have but debt? Took a while to pay off my wife's school debts, and if she and others are stupid that makes you a MORON!Quote:
Yeah. Imagine that. Assuming that someone who voluntarily entered into debt should be held responsible for paying it back. Whoever heard of such a thing? I don't say they're the bad guys. I do say they're the stupid guys, and the only cure I know of for stupidity is having to bear the consequences of your dumb actions so you can learn from them.
Who funded your rich guy tax breaks?Quote:
Hey Tal. How many of those student debts belonging to a stranger have you paid off? I bet it's zero, which makes me think you're right back to wanting someone else to fund your charitable impulses.
He is an AMERICAN socialist, he made a buck has a few houses, like all your rich guy heroes who unashamedly soak the system for private gain, so why be so selective with YOUR morality. What you think YOU have a higher moral ground or something? I doubt that but dream on its your fantasy so enjoy it.Quote:
He admits to being socialist so that's on him. As to being rich, I haven't attacked him for that. I have pointed out the stupidity of claiming to be the champion of the poor when your rich rear end sits in any one of three expensive homes. But that's right back to the typical liberal nonsense of wanting to claim some moral high ground for being willing to force someone else to support the poor while you enjoy your millions. How generous of him!!
Yeah. You dismiss it when you are confronted with the uncomfortable truth that you cannot give a tax break to people who don't pay taxes. Even liberals can understand that, or at least I hope they can.Quote:
I already know your ultra conservative fundamentalists mind is forever stuck on that ridiculous idea of rich guy worship/hate poor people notion to find a solution that works for EVERYBODY so I'll easily dismiss your malady.
Oh stop wetting your pants. You and your wife paid off her school debt, so she evidently was smart enough to get a major that allowed her to do that. Good for her and good for you for shouldering your own load and paying off that debt instead of expecting someone else to do it. It's the people who major in "Women's Studies" or other useless areas that end up as waiters and struggle with debt, and then expect people like you and me, who paid our debts, to also pay their's. Yeah, that's stupid.Quote:
And what other choice to better yourself through education do people have but debt? Took a while to pay off my wife's school debts, and if she and others are stupid that makes you a MORON!
What other choices? Well, let's see. You can join the military and they will pay for a free college ed for you. You can aim for scholarships. You can hopefully have parents who care enough for you to at least help pay your way through school. You can go to a community college and save a ton of money. You can work full time as I did and then go to school part-time and make it that way. Or you can do as many do by getting a useless degree, getting neck-deep in debt, and then vote for some useless person like Sanders who will attempt to buy the votes of the non-thinking crowd who just want to force some other person to pay off their foolish debt.
So you think that putting the adjective "American" in front of a noun makes it OK? I guess that being a American nazi, or an American commie, or an American terrorist would make those OK as well? As to wealth, I'm all for people making money, and I'm all for them being able to keep as much as possible. I am not for some rich guy parading himself around as being the champion of the poor when he has so many assets he could be using to help them. He's just a typical liberal dem, running around with a political message that far too many people don't want to see through.Quote:
He is an AMERICAN socialist, he made a buck has a few houses, like all your rich guy heroes who unashamedly soak the system for private gain, so why be so selective with YOUR morality. What you think YOU have a higher moral ground or something? I doubt that but dream on its your fantasy so enjoy it.
Nice right wing loony rant! Heard it before. Didn't care then, don't care now. We shape the course of America with our votes, so cast yours and spare me the idiocy of your ideology. I just ain't going for much of your crap! Thought you knew! If Bernie wins the nomination, he gets my vote, no holding my nose either. That goes for any dem!
Convincing a far right loon ain't my style, I prefer to grab you by the ankles and pull you kicking and screaming into reality. If you think for a minute I won't take your money for some needy soul, then you just ain't thinking right!
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You didn't tell us who is paying for those rich guy tax cuts.
Well, you just said it. You liberal dems are always quite willing to take someone else's money "for some needy soul." So typical. Then you'll march around crowing about what a charitable soul you are. And the sad thing is, you'll vote for BS and not hold your nose. You have evidently lost your sense of smell. The odor is pretty bad. Spending programs with no idea of how to pay for them just strikes me as foolish.Quote:
Nice right wing loony rant! Heard it before. Didn't care then, don't care now. We shape the course of America with our votes, so cast yours and spare me the idiocy of your ideology. I just ain't going for much of your crap! Thought you knew! If Bernie wins the nomination, he gets my vote, no holding my nose either. That goes for any dem!
Convincing a far right loon ain't my style, I prefer to grab you by the ankles and pull you kicking and screaming into reality. If you think for a minute I won't take your money for some needy soul, then you just ain't thinking right!
It must be quite a skill to be able to post so many words and yet not really include any content. It's lines like, "I just ain't going for much of your crap!" that are so full of rich thought.
Says the guy that had to hold his nose to vote for the dufus!
Don't worry guy I won't take more from you than I give myself. FAIR?Quote:
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You didn't tell us who is paying for those rich guy tax cuts
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You didn't tell us who is paying for those rich guy tax cuts
Absolutely true. I've said it from the beginning. You voting for a moron like Sanders and being proud of it is insane.Quote:
Says the guy that had to hold his nose to vote for the dufus!
That's what I'm worried about. You'll take it from me and give it to you. At least you're an honest lib.Quote:
Don't worry guy I won't take more from you than I give myself. FAIR?
Because it's an absurd question. Our problem is not revenue. Our problem is spending.Quote:
You didn't tell us who is paying for those rich guy tax cuts
Look, not a RIGHT WING LOONEY RANT: You cannot be a socialist, an American Socialist, a Bolshevik, a communist, a Marxist, or, even, ChiCom and OWN AS MANY PIECES OF REALESTATE AND HAVE AS MUCH WEALTH AS BERNIE SANDERS! If you can't see the contradiction in terms, well, we have more serious problems to confront! The tragic part of this is that young people, who really know nothing of life, think that Bernie is a REAL Socialist! Bernie is a CHARLATAN! He is a pretend-to-be SOCIALIST: You know the kind "I'm not a Socialist BUT I PLAY ONE ON TV" kind of socialist. Its a shame people are really trying to believe in someone who is not what they say they are.
actually Bernie is the perfect socialist . That it their MO .Orwell 'Animal Farm 'Quote:
All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others
You are a socialist. I am a socialist. The US is socialist. Think about that!Quote:
Originally Posted by Vacuum7
How do you get to Wal-Mart? Do you keep your outhouse free of spiders? Where do you bury your household garbage? Did you homeschool your children? Remember--don't ever call 911!Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
And you'd refuse any local/state/federal help if you hit a long-term bad patch in life? You'd refuse Medicaid after your own money ran out paying for a nursing home?Quote:
"for some needy soul"
Uhm..I'm not a socialist.Quote:
You are a socialist. I am a socialist. The US is socialist. Think about that!
The point is this. What we do that benefits all of society (road, schools, etc.) is the proper scope of government. Government just giving money away to people is not.Quote:
How do you get to Wal-Mart? Do you keep your outhouse free of spiders? Where do you bury your household garbage? Did you homeschool your children? Remember--don't ever call 911!
Do your homework. Medicaid is a different story. "Long-term bad patch?" That's my job to prepare for.Quote:
And you'd refuse any local/state/federal help if you hit a long-term bad patch in life? You'd refuse Medicaid after your own money ran out paying for a nursing home?
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Says the guy that had to hold his nose to vote for the dufus!
Absolutely true. I've said it from the beginning. You voting for a moron like Sanders and being proud of it is insane.
Any dem makes more sense than the moron you voted for. Hey you got your moron and we can't have ours?
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Don't worry guy I won't take more from you than I give myself. FAIR?
That's what I'm worried about. You'll take it from me and give it to you. At least you're an honest lib.
If I need it I would ask for it, and if someone asks for it and needs it, I would give it to them. Screw what you're talking about, and your state agrees with ME, so they told you to screw off too!
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You didn't tell us who is paying for those rich guy tax cuts
Because it's an absurd question. Our problem is not revenue. Our problem is spending.
What a dodge and not a good one, since it was DEFICIT FUNDED to give rich guys a tax cut, so where did they get the money to spend on the tax cuts? Simple enough question about who pays for it. Even you cannot duck the truth so you'd rather just duck, dodge and play dumb?
WG tell me where in the consitution the local services you state are mandated ? Each community decides the level of police ,fire and other government services they want . If the local government provides a service for a fee that is not socialism.In a free society, citizens recognize that certain threats cannot be dealt with by individuals alone. The government’s first and only legitimate role is to safeguard the lives, rights, and property of its citizens. Citizens pay a little bit of tax to fund a military to protect against invaders; police and prisons to capture and incarcerate criminals; and certain emergency services to protect against fire, floods, pandemics, or meteorite strikes.To call that socialism is to disistort the legitimate role of government in a free society . But I understand the false narrative that these services are socialist .
If you use any local/county/state/federal services that we all pay into, you are a socialist. Weren't you a public school official? Where did your salary come from?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
But if you lose your job and paycheck, and need at least temporary financial help for housing, medical problems, dental concerns, transportation, etc., you will immediately contact a social worker who will advise you about government services that you can tap into.Quote:
The point is this. What we do that benefits all of society (road, schools, etc.) is the proper scope of government. Government just giving money away to people is not.
And when you finally run out of money, like my mother did in western NY, and are still alive, where are you going to get $60k to $90k per year? Or will your children happily take you in?Quote:
Do your homework. Medicaid is a different story. "Long-term bad patch?" That's my job to prepare for.
Tom, I'm not talking about communism. Socialism is "a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole."Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
And "there are two types of socialism. Type one: authoritiarian socialism where socialism is imposed by the state, and type two: democratic socialism, where socialism is applied by a democratic majority vote."
https://www.createdebate.com/debate/...s_of_socialism
I pay taxes for police and fire protection -- and for schools and public libraries. Don't you?Quote:
If the local government provides a service for a fee that is not socialism.
I don't think you know what a socialist is.Quote:
If you use any local/county/state/federal services that we all pay into, you are a socialist. Weren't you a public school official? Where did your salary come from?
Actually, I don't think we will. Like most responsible people, we have our ducks in a row. We've never lived on the taxpayer's dime. Far more than that, we look to God as our source.Quote:
But if you lose your job and paycheck, and need at least temporary financial help for housing, medical problems, dental concerns, transportation, etc., you will immediately contact a social worker who will advise you about government services that you can tap into.
Refer to the answer above. I would hope our children would do that.Quote:
And when you finally run out of money, like my mother did in western NY, and are still alive, where are you going to get $60k to $90k per year? Or will your children happily take you in?
My state has never told me that. I'm all for the personal charity you just described, and it's really a shame that, being a wonderful liberal dem, you don't choose to be an advocate for that, but I'm not in favor of the communist-like, law-enforced system you push.Quote:
If I need it I would ask for it, and if someone asks for it and needs it, I would give it to them. Screw what you're talking about, and your state agrees with ME, so they told you to screw off too!
Cut spending and problem solved. Now you wouldn't be able to continue your "I hate the rich" rant, but I guess it would just have to be your loss.Quote:
What a dodge and not a good one, since it was DEFICIT FUNDED to give rich guys a tax cut, so where did they get the money to spend on the tax cuts? Simple enough question about who pays for it. Even you cannot duck the truth so you'd rather just duck, dodge and play dumb?
You certainly don't!Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
My mom did too. She lived longer than she thought she would.Quote:
Actually, I don't think we will. Like most responsible people, we have our ducks in a row.
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