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Originally Posted by smoothy

BIll Clinton is who got the offshoring in high gear... THank the democrat party.

I set up a number of different datacenters based in this region that were designed for low paid people in several parts of India to do jobs Middle class Americans used to do. In fact a large part of the work I did under Clintons terms were that exactly

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At last we know who to blame for economic demise in the west. It is YOU!!! and you dare to come here and blame others

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

But none under Bush?

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Actually...not really....it was hard and heavy under CLinton, once the issues they had with a third world telecom infrastructure started geting sorted out. Some of them went Belly up a few years later. Americans didn't like it then, and they don't like it now either.....when you call and American Company for support...you really want to talk to an American here in America. Not someone in India.

The problems created really burned up a lot of the savings made with the lower wages. Sometimes it ended up costing more as a result.

I got a lot of overtime doing it....never thought it was a great idea....but I wasn't asked what I thought....they wanted something...they paid for it....I did my part to deliver it to them.

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Originally Posted by paraclete

At last we know who to blame for economic demise in the west. It is YOU!!! and you dare to come here and blame others

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Really? My job was delivering data services worldwide to people, businesses and governments that paid for them. What they did with them wasn't my resonsibility, though I did know quite well what was being done...and what was transpiring...and a lot of what was passing through them. I only made sure they worked once I put them in, and dealt with any issues that cropped up down the road, and everything I saw and heard while doing the job needed to stay confidential. I was paid well for doing that. I've worked with nearly every Telecom company in the world....and with nearly every country in the world at one point or other during most of the last 30+ years, and several emlpoyers.. I was even involved in several communications satellite launches over those years as well. It was a good job as far as I was concerned....I found it quite interesting....and quite satisfying....even if frustrating from time to time.

yes but what you did was show the Indians this was a business model that might work and those industrious little buggers sold it all over the world so now, not only you, but we have to put up with foriegners who can be barely understood in call centres answering queries as well a job losses like your quote says "you can't fix stupid"

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yes but what you did was show the Indians this was a business model that might work and those industrious little buggers sold it all over the world so now, not only you, but we have to put up with foriegners who can be barely understood in call centres answering queries as well a job losses like your quote says "you can't fix stupid"

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I didn't show them anyting... I've never been in the sales side of things. Most of those "industrious buggers" are the ones that dreamed it up. Many of them really have no imagination... but a few do... and had the resources to pursue it... Here's one name I'm sure you have heard of... TATA... they were a major player. And a HUGE company with a lot of resources.

TA TA interesting connotations. This is what you get for playing in someoneelse's sand pit, we should never have woken China, India and Japan. Left in ignorance they would be feudal worlds to this day

If they are smart enough to develop NUKES, you better be able to deal with them.

they are great copiers, I'm waiting for something original to emerge

India just elected a new PM, and they have nukes, not copied, developed. They had a turnout of half a million. Watch out China.

Na. That's a zero sum game and both are smart enough to realise it. Just because someone can apply principles developed and tested by someoneelse is not original thought. Once the nuclear power industry proliferated the rest just follows, otherwise why is everyone bothered by Iran.

It is good the Indians voted for change, it might keep more of their people at home, they have proven to be very mobile in recent times

Narendra Modi is an interesting character. I can tell he is shaking up the socialist establishment by how the press is braying about him.

Yes a new broom perhaps, certainly he has a track record of getting things done. I think we may see India abandon its apologist stance towards Pakistan. We will see how Mr. Pivot towards Asia handles that one

if the emperor is smart ,he will adopt the closer strategic relationship policy with India that GWB started . Bush made an error in denying a visa to Modi to enter America ,trying to appease the Pakis .That error has been corrected I believe . But that is a wound in the relationship that needs healing . Modi was singularly targeted for alleged oppression of religious freedom ,in a world where religious persecutions occur daily . Further ,Modi has been cleared of any wrong doing by 3 Indian investigations.

I wouldn't jump to the conclusion there is anything like due process in India, but you do need to learn to be more across the politics of other places otherwise you will behave like some of these less civilised places instaed of just looking like them

I'm looking to see if he follows through with free market reforms as he has indicated . If he does ,and the Indian economy takes off, then watch out !

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I'm looking to see if he follows through with free market reforms as he has indicated . If he does ,and the Indian economy takes off, then watch out !

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The Indian economy already has a high growth rate, what they will do is start to take business away from the Chinese, we are already seeing their cars emerge into our market, and the view is like, Belarus all over again, but... It is actually surprising what India already exports, besides people; medical supplies, drugs and I expect they will want to be able to pay us for our uranium, coal and iron ore

much of that economy comes from his Gujarat province. The US press is full of reports about his supposed extremism.... Evidently he couldn't control a mob of Hindus that were upset that a train full of Hindus were burned to death by Muslim terrorists.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

much of that economy comes from his Gujarat province. The US press is full of reports about his supposed extremism.... Evidently he couldn't control a mob of Hindus that were upset that a train full of Hindus were burned to death by Muslim terrorists.

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Hey who control a mob of Indians? the people of the subcontinent are a very volatile people and they have to do something for entertainment, it's a contact sport.

I wonder what you would do in the same circumstances, I know, shoot something

So would you wouldn't you? Look at what you do with boat people, or the indigenous that don't assimilate. Well maybe you wouldn't shoot them, just bust heads if they get out of hand, eh? Round them up and isolate them?

We will see when there are twice as many living on your island.

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So would you wouldn't you? Look at what you do with boat people, or the indigenous that don't assimilate. Well maybe you wouldn't shoot them, just bust heads if they get out of hand, eh? Round them up and isolate them?

We will see when there are twice as many living on your island.

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Tal it is difficult to protect people from themselves, but the "boat people" have broken our laws and deliberately so. Your illegals have broken your laws and deliberately so, but you seem to think it is alright to exploit them as a source of cheap labour. We don't have the same view. As far as the indigenous are concerned any person wanting to live in a traditional way can do it, but that means you can't live in a city. We have tried to deal with the problems of indigenous just as you have tried to deal with your poor, if you have the solutions why are 50% of your people below the poverty line. Criticise us how you may but that doesn't happen here. When you have done away with Gitmo you can lecture us on how we deal with boat people, it isn't our finest hour, but we have the same right to border protection as you do, but we can't build a wall or a fence. By the way we haven't shot anyone in a demonstration in a awfully long time, our wallopers prefer to wallop them

The only problem with twice as many living on our island is water, every other resource is adequate but the Indians are a problem in large populations, ask FiJi