Stop ignoring the obvious, It's the businesses that follow the broken business model of capitalism, pursuing cheap expendable workers with low wages that are affected the most. Of course righty's blame government for the actions of those businesses that want to extract MO" MONEY from the backs of their workers, and give those same people a free pass for greedy behavior.

You guys want Obamacare to fail, and go back to the old ways of corporate gouging that leads to high profits, and low wages, and tight job market. Like I say a broken business model, so stop blaming government for what the 1% is doing to the economy.

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Hello again, Steve:
If you believe a cop on the street has the authority to let a speeder go, then the TOP COP in the land can do the same thing.

excon

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And if it were Bush?

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Stop ignoring the obvious, Its the businesses that follow the broken business model of capitalism, pursuing cheap expendable workers with low wages that are affected the most. Of course righty's blame government for the actions of those businesses that want to extract MO" MONEY from the backs of their workers, and give those same people a free pass for greedy behavior.

You guys want Obamacare to fail, and go back to the old ways of corporate gouging that leads to high profits, and low wages, and tight job market. Like I say a broken business model, so stop blaming government for what the 1% is doing to the economy.

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A) Ask the individuals that will still be affected by the individual mandate here in a shirt while.

B) Your guys ARE the 1 percent.

C) I don't want government involved in my health care, they f*** everything up. The train wreck that is the implementation of Obamacare should be your first clue, but instead of stopping the train you guys insist on heading right to derailment and taking everyone with you.

As opposed to us doing NOTHING, or going back to the old ways none of us could afford? That's really your solution?

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Hello again, tom:

Nahhh... It's sequestration.. You remember that piece of garbage you forced down our throats...

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First time I've heard the word sequestration in weeks since the fraud of the panic over it has subsided, and we learned it wasn't the end of the world for government to have to live on a set budget like the rest of the people. But what government budgets have to do with government polices that encourage part time employment over full time is not clear .

Hello again, Steve:

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And, then ask him again after he gets sick.

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Hello again, tom:

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When you LIKE the result, it's government on a budget.. When it lays off military contractors, as it's about to do, sequestration is Obama's idea.

I understand. Perfectly.

Excon

Its not government policies that are affecting business. It's the business policies that makes part time an alternative to full time. Anything not to raise wages on minimum wage workers, and keep them working poor and let the states and local governments bear the cost.

Go ahead you conservatives keep backing the rich taking from the poor, for profit. Maybe the ones who need to opt for the state exchanges are employers, since they have always touted benefits in lieu of wages as a bargaining chip, but now balk about delivering benefits, without wage increases and going for less hours.

To be clear though that the latest accommodation to business crying about REPORTING issues is an easy fix they don't want to do because they would have to reveal interest on withholding payroll taxes and the fees they collect from employees with electronic direct deposit an arrangement with big banks to extract loot from low wage employees that's in court as we speak.

Pa. McDonald's franchise sued over debit card pay plan to offer paper checks, direct deposit - Washington Post

Cry me a river about the broken business model you capitalist refuse to fix.

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Naahh ;all over the country businesses are making the call to either ;reduce staffing to under 50 employees ,hire part timers and temps to cover their workforce needs ,or absorb the costs of the mandates and government burdensome regulations and risk going out of business as a result. How longer are you going to carry water for these fools who are working with outdated and flawed 1930s models of economics?

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What's the 2013 model?

All I see is the left doing things and the right doing things that look like they are working against each other but really if you look at the overview they are working hand in hand. 1 example the right passed NAFTA. Now the right is complaining about the problem of being over run with illegals that will vote for Obama but who set the stage!

How much closer will we be to a single payer system in 2014?
Wasn't that really the plan all along?
Nancy tried to tell us.
Instead of paying for it just in additional taxes, we will pay for it in additional taxes and higher premiums for our existing coverage.
Won't those folks who work for companies that don't offer healthcare coverage already have coverage through the exchanges if (big if) and when employer mandated coverage takes effect in 2015? Will employers try to lure them back? Why would the employers want to do that? Will they be required to pay the penalty for an employee who by then will already have insurance via an exchange?
Joe Biden told obama that this was a big f'in deal back when it was passed. And Joe knows this latest move was also a big (totally planned) deal too.

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Hello again, tom:
When you LIKE the result, it's government on a budget.. When it lays off military contractors, as it's about to do, sequestration is Obama's idea.

I understand. Perfectly.

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The military was responsibly cutting it's budget long before the sequester kicked in . You see ;the military cuts are the only ones the left apporoves of.. As you will recall ,I have often said there was room for military cuts . Like ALL the Federal Government bureaucracies ,there is plenty of fat to trim.

The new immigration bill is loaded with pork for military contractors. None of this impacts already poor people, the jobless or those kids you make poor women have. All this while you make health insurance unavailable for the folks you lay off, and cut hours.

It's your side's plan ;and for that matter ,so is the immigration bill.

That's the problem the last 5 years, we come up with plans, and you guys have none that make sense except to very rich guy. Obstruct, repeal, and no plan is the right wing plan. Then you follow it up with see how bad their plan is.

Your side is fooling no one.

We haven't given you a plan for immigration ? Yes we did . As for health care... all it needed was tweeking ,not an overhaul .Why would you think we would do anything to assist you destroy the health care system?. and destroy it you are well on your way of mission accomplished .

You think I don't see through this "delay " ? smearcase just told you exactly what this is about . Employers have been given a carte blanche by YOUR President to drop employees ,penalty free ,and force them onto these exchanges (remember YOUR President did not makes the same exception for the individual mandate ).

Now you will blame employers for making a sound business decision ;,and give YOUR President a pass for the destruction of the American health care system ,in their goal of creating a top down single payer socialist system .I will proudly support obstruct and repeal .

You're mad

Your side is a real card, giving health insurance to low income working poor men, woman, elderly, and children is destroying the American health care system? Passing health care costs to poor and elderly with a voucher isn't? Defunding "meals on wheels" is good for the economy?

Yeah really great ideas. Have you asked low income working poor men, woman, elderly, and children, what they think of your plan? Or do you proudly obstruct and repeal them too?

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As opposed to us doing NOTHING, or going back to the old ways none of us could afford? That's really your solution?

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You guys whine and moan about state involvement in a woman's "health" care and just about every other aspect of our lives in one breath then demand it in the next. Make up your minds, but leave me out of it.

P. S. More evidence of the coming train wreck, subsidies are going on the honor system. What could go wrong?

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...ud-yuval-levin