Most women would disagree with you - to bare arms is a natural right.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
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Most women would disagree with you - to bare arms is a natural right.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
The right to bear arms is the right to protect oneself and one's liberty . Marriage is not a natural right .It has been defined by institutions for thousands of years;with specific requirements required to qualify .Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
I'll go a step further and say there is zero mandate for the black robed, appointed for life oligarchs, to impose extreme societal change on the country. If indeed the nation is "evolving" ,and the definition of marriage is to be re-defined ,then it is not up to the courts of the land to make that call.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuttyd
The entire history of America is about the struggle of groups to be recognized as free citizens and define themselves. Look it up, and substitute gay for women, and blacks and you will see the same patterns repeated over, and over.
Gays can be legally married already in some states but not recognized in others, so DOMA is already dead in parts of America. Where there is money and benefits involved everyone should be able to benefit from it. Not just the select traditional few.
Yes, you can certainly argue that self-defense is a natural right, but probably not a lot past that. As you know natural rights are derived from a state of nature prior to there being an organized society to grant such rights.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
A well organized militia would be post-hock explanation. In other words, one must have an organized society to begin with in order to render this a possibility.
That clause of the 2nd amendment is an extension of the individual natural right of self defense. It is clearly written as a limit to the power of the national government ;as all the bill of right amendments are .
Well geez, back then, in the beginning that was an issue. Its not government you need to be armed against, it's the crazy people with guns that live down the street.
You have a right to protect against both. There is no guarantee that we will forever be free.
Hello again, tom:
It was. The problem is the right wing still thinks their puny assault weapons are going to do the job...Quote:
It is clearly written as a limit to the power of the national governmen
No, SERIOUSLY... They believe they can defeat the U.S. Army. Somewhere along the line, the weapons people could bear STOPPED being a defense against the U.S. Government... Yet, somehow the right wing totally missed it. How do they MISS so much important stuff?
Not only that, they believe that when the shooting starts, the entire military will join their side. No, SERIOUSLY, they BELIEVE that stuff.
Come on. Tell me you don't.
Excon
So if the government became a totalitarian state you would lie back and take it with the sheeple ? I kind of doubt that .Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
So ex, you're really more troubled by the thought of us having an AR-15 than you are the idea of the feds sending the military in to slaughter us? Seems like kind of backward thinking to me.
Hardly... its never been more inportant for the population to be armed than it is now with a brain dead.egomanic sociopath that HATES the Constitution and the Bill of rights, and whities everywhere (he said as much in his autobiographies that HE wrote) in office like we have now.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Hello again, Steve:
Let's talk about backwards...Quote:
you're really more troubled by the thought of us having an AR-15 than you are the idea of the feds sending the military in to slaughter us? Seems like kind of backward thinking to me.
There's only ONE side talking about their guns. There's only ONE side taking about a tyrannical government... There's only ONE side talking about using force against the other..
And, it AIN'T my side...
Of course, I'd be concerned if the government attacked you. But, YOUR side is the one talking about this CRAP. The government ISN'T threatening you.. It's really NOT. It's not even close... It's YOUR side who brings it up...
I'm simply reminding you, that if you attack this great country of MINE, you will be destroyed... I KNOW you don't like to hear it... But, I don't want to hear about how your weapons protect you against a government who ISN'T threatening you...
Now, THAT'S backwards!
Excon
Gee... yesterdays freedom loving hippies are today's worst oppressors of personal freedom. Talk about A 180 degree change.
Your shadow is black so I guess that scares you too.
I don't know anyone on "my side" talking about attacking our country (that's a straw man). Maybe that's why you can't win fantasy football, you can't tell the difference between offense and defense?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Hello again, smoothy:
I know you're not good at actually arguing. You'd rather throw up a bumper sticker... But, please TRY to tell me how a universal background check oppresses you?Quote:
Gee... yesterdays freedom loving hippies are today's worst oppressors of personal freedom. Talk about A 180 degree change.
You HAVE read where I've mentioned that a universal background check would STOP people like me from getting guns. I cannot imagine, WHY a right winger would be AGAINST a law that PREVENTED people like me from getting guns.
You're not going to tell me that I can pick one up in the hood for a few bucks, are you?? Really??
Excon
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Originally Posted by talaniman
No... I'm just not dumb enough to fall for the Democrat propaganda when I can see the reality with my own eyes.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
I never said all the loonies were white. I never said all the conservatives were white. Doesn't matter to me, the conservative right are loonies, and the further right they are, the crazier they talk.
And your point would be what?
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