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Originally Posted by talaniman

Whats so hard, and expensive about revealing the contents of the food you sell people? The money they are sowilling to spend fighting such a disclosure, they could have saved and submitted their recipes it seems to me.

I mean didn't the fact that we are finding horse meat in our food give you a clue whats happening towhat we eat? Don't you wanna know what you are scarfing down?

I guess you don't so enjoy your cat/dog/rat tacos.

Wow, you just keep validating my point today. This time you're even willing to excuse a regulation that's only going to enrich the big corporations you just railed on while driving the little guy out of business.

So which is it, you really don't care if big business gets bigger or don't care about the little guy or both? Or do you just not get that the government driving up the cost of doing business is bad for the economy and big business is better able to compete in that atmosphere than mom & pop?

I got to hand it to you though, you're persistent in your fear mongering. Where exactly do they serve those cat/dog/rat tacos anyway?

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Where exactly do they serve those cat/dog/rat tacos anyway?

Coming to your neighborhood soon.

Well all I have to say is that it's good that I rescued my dog before Obamacare .

Obamacare May Bite You At The Vet's Office « CBS Miami

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Coming to your neighborhood soon.

We already have Taco Bell but I don't eat there.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

We already have Taco Bell but I don't eat there.

So you haven't experienced their ground "meat"?

Even here in NY I wouldn't go the Taco Bell .There are plenty of authentic Mexican restaurants.

I don't believe I've had the displeasure, but at they're big enough to disclose all that 'nutritional' stuff no problem.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

What's so hard, and expensive about revealing the contents of the food you sell people? The money they are so willing to spend fighting such a disclosure, they could have saved and submitted their recipes it seems to me.

I mean didn't the fact that we are finding horse meat in our food give you a clue what's happening to what we eat? Don't you want to know what you are scarfing down?

I guess you don't so enjoy your cat/dog/rat tacos, and horse burgers.

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but the final rules have since been delayed as some of those non-restaurant establishments have lobbied hard to be exempt.

Hmmm ,the mom and pop grocer who has to now figure out the calorie count on their fresh food and salad buffets . And if that calorie count isn't accurate ,having the FDA come in and raiding your establishment.. I can think of plenty of businesses that would have to close down due to that added expense.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

I don't believe I've had the displeasure, but at they're big enough to disclose all that 'nutritional' stuff no problem.

Yes ;as I've said often... The big corps can absorb the cost of regulation. The
1st generation immigrant who opened up a corner Mexican eatery ? Not so much . One of the biggest groups that sued Nanny Bloomy over the soft drink ban was associations of minority grocers (Korean-American Grocers Association of New York and the New York Statewide Coalition of Hispanic Chambers of Commerce, the NAACP ) . The Dems should rename their party to the 'Party of Unintended Consequences '.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Yes ;as I've said often .... The big corps can absorb the cost of regulation. The
1st generation immigrant who opened up a corner Mexican eatery ? Not so much . One of the biggest groups that sued Nanny Bloomy over the soft drink ban was associations of minority grocers (Korean-American Grocers Association of New York and the New York Statewide Coalition of Hispanic Chambers of Commerce, the NAACP ) . The Dems should rename their party to the 'Party of Unintended Consequences '.

The PUC, affectionately known as the 'puke' party.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

well all I have to say is that it's good that I rescued my dog before Obamacare .

Obamacare May Bite You At The Vet’s Office « CBS Miami

LOL, they were going to raise prices anyway, like all the insurance companies and providers, and medical equipment manufactureres have been doing the last 10, 15, 30 years.

Without Obama Care, their prices were still going up.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

I don't believe I've had the displeasure, but at they're big enough to disclose all that 'nutritional' stuff no problem.

This is not an example of disclosure that's required, that's for the public. I happen to know a list of suppliers is all the government is asking of any business, big or small. A rotating small random sampling is all that's really looked at.

I do have a rather large recall list of suppliers to not only fast food outlets but large and small grocers as well.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Hmmm ,the mom and pop grocer who has to now figure out the calorie count on their fresh food and salad buffets . And if that calorie count aint accurate ,having the FDA come in and raiding your establishment .. I can think of plenty of businesses that would have to close down due to that added expense.

Can you give us an idea of those costs please?

Not true, calorie counts and such as the Taco Bell site listed are required, not a list of vendors.

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Can you give us an idea of those costs please?

Think about it !
The FDA decided that, in addition to restaurants, the requirement would apply to coffee shops, delicatessens, take-out food, grocery stores, convenience stores, movie theaters, airplanes, cafeterias, bakeries and vending machines. I'm surprised they didn't add dirty water hot dog carts .

The FDA estimates that the initial mean cost of complying with the proposed regulations is $315.1 million, with an estimated mean ongoing cost of $44.2 million per year. The FDA did not estimate the benefits of the proposed regulations...

“The unnecessarily burdensome menu labeling rule is going to impose a billion dollar burden on retailers. In an industry operating on a 1 percent profit margin, this financial load will mean the loss of jobs and an unnecessary increase to consumers' grocery bill,” Lieberman said...

The restaurant menu labeling regulation keeps our members up at night because it will hinder their businesses and impede innovation,” said Lieberman. “The Office of Management and Budget (OMB) identifies the restaurant menu labeling provision as the third most burdensome regulation, and FDA hasn't been able to quantify a single benefit, even though food retailers can clearly add up the costs impacting their businesses.”
Restaurants Prepare for Cost of New Menus Mandated by Obamacare | Heartlander Magazine

Even the Obots didn't know what was going down .Nancy-Ann Deparle, President Obama's chief health adviser complained to the FDA about it ;so they took the requirement away from movies and airlines... Thanks a lot ! Again ,relatively large businesses who can absorb the cost got taken off the list . But the struggling bodega ? Forgetaboutit!!

The only thing worse than you not knowing what you eat, is the people serving you not knowing what they are feeding you. And after all the food recalls, you still can't think of ONE reason why knowing what you eat is a good idea?

I know, that customer put the roach in the burger to get a free MEAL.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

The only thing worse than you not knowing what you eat, is the people serving you not knowing what they are feeding you. And after all the food recalls, you still can't think of ONE reason why knowing what you eat is a good idea?

I know, that customer put the roach in the burger to get a free MEAL.

What's even worse is getting to choose from Taco Bell, Pizza Hut and Long John Silvers for date night because all the good restaurants are gone. Oh I forget, you can still go have a giant bucket of artery clogging popcorn, a jumbo size candy bar and a mystery meat hot dog at the movies.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

We've not been told even a hint of the truth on the Dems plans for helath care from the beginning other than a few candid moments that slipped, like we have to pass it to know what's in it. Robert Reich was candid back in 2007 and I might say, prescient:

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This article is misleading.

Before 1971 all proposals for universal health care were based on private sector financing and be privately administered.

Reiche's speech would be based in light of the current politics of health care.

There is no reference to any particular type of president. "What would A candidate for president say...."

There is no prescient. He was talking about health care politics of the day.

"We are the only health care system in the world...."

Tut

Come to Dallas, you can fine dine and wine every night of the week, at a different restaurant. They aren't going anywhere. Mismanagement is the biggest cause of business failure, not regulations.

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Originally Posted by Tuttyd

This article is misleading.

Before 1971 all proposals for universal health care were based on private sector financing and be privately administered.

Reiche's speech would be based in light of the current politics of health care.

I don't know what 1971 has to do with anything, he gave the speech in 2007.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

Come to Dallas, you can fine dine and wine every night of the week, at a different restaurant. They aren't going anywhere. Mismanagement is the biggest cause of business failure, not regulations.

I always knew you really weren't for the little guy.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

I don't know what 1971 has to do with anything, he gave the speech in 2007.

My apologies.

07 is not 70 or 71

Tut