Ask Me Help Desk - Hope & Change

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Originally Posted by smoothy

I'd be delighted if the 47% that pay no federal taxes now paid what I have to pay in percentage...

Hello again, smoothy:

You've been told on many different occasions that the people you mention above DO pay federal taxes... They just don't pay federal income taxes.. That's because they're poor. But, they DO pay federal payroll taxes.. They pay federal gasoline taxes.. They pay federal excise taxes... They pay federal telephone taxes... And, I'm sure I've left off a couple of other federal taxes they pay...

I don't expect you'll change your tune.. But, this post is just a reminder that I'm not going to change mine either.

excon

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Originally Posted by smoothy

They pay no federal tax because the Democrats gave them prime tax breaks and write offs that in some cases EXCEED their tax liabilities....which means they get money back that was never paid to in begin with. And that was done expressedly to buy votes.

I don't believe there should be any extra breaks for the lazy segment....then the SLACKER mindset will fade away and doing as little as possible to slide trough life with as little effort as possible won't be a lifestyle of choice.

Everyone pays the same percentage....which in real math....not new math...the more you make the more you pay....because 25% of $25,000 is less than 25% of $250,000, or 25% of $250,000,000.

And make Welfare a 1 year and you are out...with a 2 year lifetime maximum collection. Plenty of time for the lazy to get work....and provides a minimal safety net for those who truly need it.

Smoothy I have great difficulty with your thinking. Some people might be out of work because they are lazy, but many are out of work because there is no work and it will take some time for that position to change. You have to take skills into account and many have little marketable skill

The difficulty with the thinking that everyone pays the same percentage is that it disadvantages the poor. In your equation the poor are left with 18750, the middle 187500 and the rich with 1875000 surely you can see that one is below the poverty line and seriously disadvantaged by this approach while the rich person is largely unaffected. The rich are greater consumers of societies services than the poor and derive greater benefit from it, they also have the ability to modify their income and avoid tax however if you implemented this and did away with all deductions and subsidies how long do you think before the system would again be corrupted

You have to have welfare to work programs where long term unemployed have to do more than collect benefits, just cutting off the benefit isn't an answer, but such programs should not hamper the ability to look for work. The person you call lazy may be suffering depression and lack the resources to get help. You also need to take into account that society is changing there is a great deal more part time work than there used to be. This doen't lift people out of poverty

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, smoothy:

You've been told on many different occasions that the people you mention above DO pay federal taxes... They just don't pay federal income taxes.. That's because they're poor. But, they DO pay federal payroll taxes.. They pay federal gasoline taxes.. They pay federal excise taxes... They pay federal telephone taxes... And, I'm sure I've left off a couple of other federal taxes they pay...

I don't expect you'll change your tune.. But, this post is just a reminder that I'm not gonna change mine either.

excon

We all know Federal income tax IS a Federal tax, and the one we Always refer to when saying this... and that 47% get everything that is deducted back OR MORE on their tax returns. Leaving the other 53% having to foot 100% of the bill. And we the 53% fund 100% of the federal handouts that benefit people that contribute nothing towards them.

If 100% of the adult population paid taxes... and didn't get them back... they would have skin in the game and the freebies would not be so attractive to them.

Back to the OP, Hope & change, the Obama campaign seems to have finally settled on a campaign theme. Not "Forward" or "do over" but "Rerun." Yes, his campaign seems to have returned to "change."

That all fits in with his style, leading from behind, bottom up economics, reruns.

The new bumper sticker? I made it for 'em myself...