So I ask for instances of conservatives putting down poor people and you respond with a boatload of cartoons? As I said, you plainly don't have any.
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So I ask for instances of conservatives putting down poor people and you respond with a boatload of cartoons? As I said, you plainly don't have any.
I think it would still happen since global travel has made darn near everybody sick. We still don't know how many here yet, but it's a lot and growing.
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Don't care to share because that's obviously too much typing. Like listing the dufus lies. Same difference but no less true!Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Mention that to Ivanka.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vacuum7
As usual, you don't have the slightest idea. Just the usual evasive answer.Quote:
Don't care to share because that's obviously too much typing. Like listing the dufus lies. Same difference but no less true!
And the rest of the business community, including Google.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
W.G. and Talaniman: I REALLY DO NOT CARE who the perpetrators are on OUR SIDE in the ChiCom business relationships, whether they be Ivanka or any other U.S. corporation: Anyone who chases slave labor down around the globe should be called out....its disgusting in an of itself. But what makes this even worse is that Red China is an avowed enemy of the U.S. and that makes it one hell of a lot worse.
Vac, something interesting to consider. With unemployment at record lows, then even if we did bring back 10 million jobs from China to the United States, who would fill them?
You have to ask, all those hispanics waiting at the border of courseQuote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Great question, and while big biz has said they need 6M qualified people to fill job openings, they are looking overseas instead of qualifying and promoting their own in house, and just hiring lower level employees.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I really think THAT WOULD BE A GREAT TRADE FOR THE U.S.! I would absolutely love to replace a 10 million load of godless ChiComs for a 10 million person exchange of Hispanics ANY DAY OF THE WEEK! And would do that with open arms!
Plus, how do we know its 10 million jobs: ChiCom work output is not 1:1 with U.S. workers! Not by a long shot! If you told me "South Korean worker", well, their outputs are more comparable to U.S. worker production outputs.
An initiative of pulling back from Red China is something that could UNITE THIS COUNTRY across all political stripes! And, I could see Labor Unions putting their shoulders behind such an effort.
At any rate, by hook or by crook, we need to work diligently to divorce ourselves from ties with the Authoritarian Red Chinese!
I don't blame greedy American business types who drool over the possible profits from a market of billions of new customers but I do object to the hypocrisy of these trade deals, and partnerships with China and then hollering foul while they keep doing them. The dufus approach is no better at all since him and his family already have a deal in place. So did the farmers. He stomped all over on that deal without asking farmers a damn thing before he did it. It was as ham handed as the New NAFTA deal, which thankfully the congress got involved in. While it was an upgrade rather than a new deal, it's been in the works for a long time.
Talaniman: I have always give a nod to American based businesses....but, if those same American based businesses decide that $$$s mean more than the welfare of the U.S., well they can go straight to hell, IMHO.
Every American ought to be madder than hell about the hows and whys of this virus' introduction that is now leashed upon us: Its nothing more than greed! These companies of our flying back and forth to Red China, making them stronger and US weaker, played a large part in carting this pestilence upon us. If greedy arses hadn't given Red China "Favored Nation Trading Status" years ago, we wouldn't be staring down the barrel of this virus now.
That may be a bit simplistic given the tourist trade between us and China, to blame the business dudes for the virus, but an American business may be at a disadvantage dealing with a country where the lines between business and government is blurred beyond recognition, to us any way. Every time they get in a snit they cost us money as they did when a coach insulted them a while back. The NBA should have just said screw you then. Or Chinese Microsoft workers that jumped off the building often enough because of working conditions, a net was built around the building.
To be fair though such culture clashes are expected but Big Biz does no good by capitulation in the long run. While the dufus rattles as good a saber as anybody, playing by Chinese rules does him or us no favors.
Talaniman: You were "PERFECT" with your comments! Could not agree more.
where do you get the idea he is playing by chinese rules?Quote:
playing by Chinese rules does him no favors.
Simple fact he goes in with a big stick and bluster and shoots for a quick deal like the lone ranger instead of leveraging his partners around him. Brute force will never work against the Chinese and is costing our side a lot more than his. China has many other options as far as trade goes on the products they are not buying from us and have used those options to stymy the dufus strategy, wiping out decades of trade gains forcing us to pay the price for this trade war.
I shake my head in disbelief . I am as much as a free trader as anyone . But the Chinese have proven beyond a doubt that they are dangerous unreliable partners in trade . Trump was well ahead of the curve . We have to at a minimum move all strategic trade out of that country at the earliest possible time .The rest of American business has to be put on notice that they deal with the Chinese at their own risk . It is not just Wuhan flu . They have poisoned us and our children for years exporting pentenyl and pentenyl contaminate products into out country . They have destgroyed the supply chain to the world economy and should pay a heavy price for their criminal malfeasance . As far as I am concerned Xi is an international criminal who should have his A$$ hauled into the court in Hague to account for the hundreds of thousands of deaths ,if not millions he will have caused by the end of this crisis
xenophobia, would you say this is the epicentre had been Europe, not China. China has successfully modernised, particularly in manufacturing and US multinationalism has taken advantage of this, but they have put all their eggs in one basket and are now paying the price. You have pulled back from your allies in favour of China
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China has successfully modernised
uh huh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1rzgO9S5SM
yes no empty shelves there
a lot of disease there
That was totally disgusting and is a disaster waiting to happen...oh wait it has happened. I still blame Big Biz though for getting us in this mess, though I can see the need to bring these folks closer to civilization and normal business dealings, but a fool can see they might not be ready for prime time yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
you forget they have been a civilisation for two thousand years and they survive and thrive. it doesn't do them as much harm as we think and a few thousand deaths is nothing to them, besides they keep down the population of the creepy crawliesQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Forgive my western big city sensibilities Clete, and I suppose the veneer of Chinese and Indian civilizations among other nations, of the world bellies what real populations do to survive. I guess eating what's available is a part of every country. I was raised on Kroger's even in the boonies, but I guess if rats and bats and dogs and cats was all I had, I would probably eat them too! I guess I'm grateful for where God put me and how he has provided and shouldn't judge.
Still looks nasty to me!
Like I have said before: The U.S. got rid of SLAVERY in 1865.....yet, we have chased SLAVE labor around the globe for a long time.....is that O.K.? Is it O.K. that by chasing this SLAVE labor to Red China and empowering our enemy WHO JUST ATTACKED US WITH A BIOLOGICAL WEAPON we are able to get cheap products? WE ARE A BUNCH OF IDIOTS!
It's not slave labor when you are paying the person for their work.
It is if your workers need public assistance to survive. It is if your profit depend on cheap labor because your competing with 3rd world countries. It is when half the country can't afford rent, heating and food without assistance, and the other half can trade stocks and bonds all day long.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Darn shame that a guy who has 3 jobs loses all 3 of them and won't find another one so his kids can have a cheap laptop to keep up with his school work from home let alone toilet paper, and JL says too bad. Find another job or 3 if you need 'em.
That don't sound rather crazy to you given today's reality?
No, it's not. Slave labor is performed by...unpaid slaves. And your point about half the country can't afford utilities and food might be important if it was true. Alas, it is not.Quote:
It is if your workers need public assistance to survive. It is if your profit depend on cheap labor because your competing with 3rd world countries. It is when half the country can't afford rent, heating and food without assistance, and the other half can trade stocks and bonds all day long.
What would have been wrong with buying a 200 dollar Chromebook when he had the three jobs? I get your point about poor people. I know there are folks out there who are in financial straits, but they are a very small minority. Most people have large televisions, eat pizzas, and own cell phones and microwaves, so they can get a Chromebook if needed. We need to learn to take care of our own needs rather than counting on our government to forcefully take money from someone else to give to us.Quote:
Darn shame that a guy who has 3 jobs loses all 3 of them and won't find another one so his kids can have a cheap laptop to keep up with his school work from home let alone toilet paper, and JL says too bad. Find another job or 3 if you need 'em.
The definition of slavery has changed since it's illegal to chain and beat another human and FORCE him to work for you, but we have the term working poor that have jobs, but qualify for assistance. I think the speed and depth of things will catch a lot of people unawares and off guard. I would imagine that as while you may have a laptop, paying your internet/wifi bill could be an issue as many are forced to adjust and downsize. Not something that's an easy thing at all to go from a great/good/okay/low end job to no job in a month is it?
We're talking millions here across the nation maybe more.
Says the guy who lives in a state that takes more fed money than it contributes. Maybe you start with your own state and lead by example.Quote:
We need to learn to take care of our own needs rather than counting on our government to forcefully take money from someone else to give to us.
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Go over to Somalia and tell them. Slavery is alive and well in many parts of the world.Quote:
The definition of slavery has changed since it's illegal to chain and beat another human and FORCE him to work for you,
Those are legitimate points, but we are doing a terrible job of teaching people to be self sufficient and to understand that tough times come around and you need to be prepared for it. It's one thing to be laid up from an accident for a year. It's an entirely different matter for a person to live his/her entire life in blissful ignorance of taking care of his/her own needs and not being dependent on someone else. When that person gets to a time like this, he is completely unprepared in every possible way to do anything more than trust in the high and mighty federal government. It used to be considered disgraceful to live that way, but now it's accepted and even encouraged by liberal dems.Quote:
but we have the term working poor that have jobs, but qualify for assistance. I think the speed and depth of things will catch a lot of people unawares and off guard. I would imagine that as while you may have a laptop, paying your internet/wifi bill could be an issue as many are forced to adjust and downsize. Not something that's an easy thing at all to go from a great/good/okay/low end job to no job in a month is it?
I can't help it that the stupid fed government does that. You know full well that if it was up to me, a LOT of fed spending would be stopped and that would include much of what goes on in our state.Quote:
We need to learn to take care of our own needs rather than counting on our government to forcefully take money from someone else to give to us.
Says the guy who lives in a state that takes more fed money than it contributes. Maybe you start with your own state and lead by example.
Current events as I see it may overwhelm a vast majority no matter how prepared you think you are, with some being better prepared than others for sure. Recovery can take as long as preparations, with smaller crisis's along the way. Stupid as our government may be it's still ours and guess who can fix it? Maybe that takes a while, so be patient and pass the popcorn why dontcha.
We just have to stay with it JL no matter what.
jlisenbe: I am talking about U.S. Corporations hauling arse across the Pacific to seek out SLAVE LABOR of the ChiComs.....and I am not talking about the 2%ers over there that are commi-Party members, I am talking about the other 98%ers that are trying to survive and work for pennies on the dollar....and you can say its not SLAVE LABOR because they get paid but I can't and you can't verify that ALL of these products are made by non-SLAVES, unless you are willing to take the ChiComs' word for it....I, personally, will never believe a single word ANY communist ever says to me. You can call it what you wish but when a U.S. based company hauls arse to get its widgets made by ChiComs INSTEAD of paying U.S. WORKERS, that company is chasing SLAVE LABOR.
well of course you are right, but you want to inflict your flawed morality on others. Look to your own to find slave labour, people working for minimum wage, migrants taking anything they can get. Yours is not the fair society you espouse and would inflict on others. I personally believe all american corporations should be prohibited from leaving the country. let them licence their products for manufacture in other places with strict non export clausesQuote:
Originally Posted by Vacuum7
2% of the country works for min wage, and many of them are teens or people working entry level jobs. Oh Lawdy! What a catastrophe! If you are saying there is slave labor in the U.S, then you're living in the same fantasy world that Tal sometimes lives in. Migrants take anything they can get? What can they get in Mexico? Why are they coming here if their home country is so wonderful and fair?Quote:
Look to your own to find slave labour, people working for minimum wage, migrants taking anything they can get. Yours is not the fair society you espouse and would inflict on others.
You might want to know what you're talking about before you start passing judgement on our country. We are certainly not perfect, but I'll take the U.S. over Australia any day of the week. That's not a knock on your country, but you have a pretty easy time of it. You defend yourselves and basically no one else. Much of the world depends on us for help. I wish we'd learn to say "no", but it is something to consider.
That does sound like a good idea, but I don't think international trade treaties allow it.Quote:
I personally believe all american corporations should be prohibited from leaving the country. let them licence their products for manufacture in other places with strict non export clauses
Oh you of little knowledge, Who was it who liberated East Timor, where was the US, who put forces into Vanuatu, who has stood at the US side in all major conflicts, you say we do nothing but we have done far more than we needed to. Our peace keepers have been deployed around the world, our forces fought in Europe in WWI and WWII while the US sat back and reaped war profits so don't talk of how great your nation is, you had to be dragged kicking and screaming into WWIIQuote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Oh yes. The famous liberation of East Timor. What a brilliant military campaign. Small, small potatoes. As to the past, that's fair enough, but I'm talking about right now. What have you done over the past ten years? You must certainly did NOT fight in Europe in WW2 while we sat around counting our money. It was only after the U.S. led invasions of Italy, Normandy, and south France that the war in Europe was taken against Germany. If not for the U.S. navy, you wouldn't have even gotten troops to the battles. A simple "thank you" would be nice.Quote:
Who was it who liberated East Timor
What are you talking about, again you know nothing, we fought in Greece, in Crete, in North Africa and took on Rommel with UK while you sat at home, our pilots fought in the Battle of Britain. The US navy did not protect our shipping in the Indian Ocean. We fought the japs in Malaya with not a US warship in sight, so as to thank you, remember who fought and died beside you. Despite what Hollywood would have you believe you did not win WWII aloneQuote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
jlisenbe & Paraclete: If and when the sh&t hits the fan, I think we can count on the Australians to be on the side of the U.S.....they just aren't going to participate in the "adventures" we have been involved in, namely Iraq and Syria....and, speaking of which, and hindsight being 20/20, we probably should not have been in Iraq, either beings IT COST OVER A TRILLION $$$s!
We are a Germanic language speaking nation and we are connected to England and Australia in a way that binds like no other national connection can or will ever develop: its almost a DNA thing. Got no doubt that the Aussies will rise to the occasion, particularly if it is dire.
Fair enough, but the only action you took in Europe prior to our involvement was largely retreating. The point is that at present you take care of yourself and that's about it. If we had not entered the war, you would have been squashed.Quote:
What are you talking about, again you know nothing, we fought in Greece, in Crete, in North Africa and took on Rommel with UK while you sat at home, our pilots fought in the Battle of Britain. The US navy did not protect our shipping in the Indian Ocean. We fought the japs in Malaya with not a US warship in sight, so as to thank you, remember who fought and died beside you. Despite what Hollywood would have you believe you did not win WWII alone
That you would even think of bringing up a very minor action such as East Timor just shows how little you guys have done the past twenty years. I'm not being critical of you. Like most Americans, I admire Australia, but I do get tired of your endless, mindless criticism of the U.S. If not for us, the Soviets would be running things now. Either that, or you'd be speaking Japanese.
The only reason ANY NATION IN THE WORLD ENJOYS ANY FREEDOM is because the United States EXISTS! Now, that is a fact!
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