Ask Me Help Desk - Trump's Border Wall Paid by Mexico

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

My congratulations! You are, in my experience, very much the exception.

As for the wall, we need to build it for the simple reason that everything else does not work. It will.

Thank you! As far as border control, we haven't tried technology yet along the entire southern border, nor are there enough well-trained immigration agents at enough checkpoints. Walls fall. Technology sings (and doesn't go rrr rrr and cause cancer).

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Thank you! As far as border control, we haven't tried technology yet along the entire southern border,

Been there. Done that. It doesn't work.

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nor are there enough well-trained immigration agents at enough checkpoints.

You mean Mr. Obama didn't hire enough??

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Walls fall.

Not new ones.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Been there. Done that. It doesn't work.

Not true!

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You mean Mr. Obama didn't hire enough??

Who's he? Get with it. This is 2019.

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Not new ones.

Walls can be gotten under, over, and around.

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Walls can be gotten under, over, and around.

I guess that explains why jails and prisons do not use them.

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Not true!

You liberals had eight years with Obama to employ all these magnificent tech advances and yet you found no need to do so. This is just a delaying tactic. "Oh! Oh! We know about all these wonderful techie thingies that will work just like, you know, awesome!" No, we are not going to fall for that one.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

I guess that explains why jails and prisons do not use them.

I sure hope your wall will be a Christian one.

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You liberals had eight years with Obama to employ all these magnificent tech advances and yet you found no need to do so. This is just a delaying tactic. "Oh! Oh! We know about all these wonderful techie thingies that will work just like, you know, awesome!" No, we are not going to fall for that one.

How did I get to be a liberal -- because I think a wall is stoopid?

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

I sure hope your wall will be a Christian one.

Walls are neutral

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How did I get to be a liberal -- because I think a wall is stoopid?

Got it in one, you are not stoopid after all

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Originally Posted by paraclete

Walls are neutral

This will be a wall dripping with evil and ill will.

What about cages and separating kids from parents? And we will have to print up a lot of flyers to distribute in Central American countries and Mexico to alert people that we no longer believe in the words carved onto the Statue of Liberty and no longer follow Jesus' commands.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

This will be a wall dripping with evil and ill will.

What about cages and separating kids from parents? And we will have to print up a lot of flyers to distribute in Central American countries and Mexico to alert people that we no longer believe in the words carved onto the Statue of Liberty and no longer follow Jesus' commands.

I think you need to avoid dragging Jesus into your rhetoric. I see nowhere that Jesus expected you to allow your country to be overrun, he said to take the message to the ends of the Earth, not invite the inhabitants of the Earth to come to you. As to leaflet drops, great idea, it beats dropping bombs. It isn't that you don't believe the words but they were written long ago, when your country was empty except for your unfortunate native americans, and you can no longer afford sentimentality

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This will be a wall dripping with evil and ill will.

Getting a little carried away, aren't we?

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What about cages and separating kids from parents? And we will have to print up a lot of flyers to distribute in Central American countries and Mexico to alert people that we no longer believe in the words carved onto the Statue of Liberty and no longer follow Jesus' commands.

Why is it that when we want to have border security, you suddenly become concerned with the commands of Jesus, but when we talk about abortion you are strangely silent concerning His commands? You sure are selective in your outrage. Just one way in which you qualify as a liberal.

I don't think Jesus would have a problem with us securing our southern border. Building a wall does not mean we don't want to continue to have immigration. It just means we would like to do so in a lawful manner.

As for separating kids from parents, do you want to put the children in jail with the parents? They are not being put in cages. Their parents should be completely ashamed of themselves for dragging their kids into this illegal entry.

The country is still empty and the brown people aren't pouring in. That's just the exageration the right puts on everything. A lie perpetrated by a lying cheating racists whose followers love that kind of BS to feel better about themselves but are a minority. Walls and immigration are there priorities while the majority are trying to get health care and educate their kids for the 21st century economy.

The dufus needs a platform for the election and he sure has no answers for what Americans are concerned about, so he has to make one up at a cost to taxpayers, like everything else he does. Even repub lawmakers are moaning and groaning and resisting, but he is doing what he does best sucking up face time and feeding his base red meat, that is really BS. He has proven his dufusness yet again though, by putting himself first and the nation last by drumming up an emergency at the south border by refusing to process those that seek asylum humanely, thus creating a bottleneck that he uses for his purpose to scare his base.

But then processing a million brown invaders is scary to some in a country of 360 million, but hardly a crisis, or emergency, but what else can he talk about? Not health care, not education, not schools, not roads, bridges, nor infrastructure. Not energy, or middle class issues at all. He has little choice but to find something to talk about, and it's always gloom, doom, hate and division, as he purges the government and makes a mockery of law, order, and good orderly direction.

Shocked that he has followers at all, but not at the noise they make, or the fever pitch they allow themselves to be whipped into.

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As for separating kids from parents, do you want to put the children in jail with the parents? They are not being put in cages. Their parents should be completely ashamed of themselves for dragging their kids into this illegal entry.

The point of humane process, and blaming the victims fleeing death completely goes over your head, as well as the LAW says asylum seekers are legal.

We both know Jesus would be at the southern border rendering aid and comfort to the weary traveler.

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by a lying cheating racists whose followers love that kind of BS to feel better about themselves but are a minority.

Or perhaps they just disagree with you. And maybe Trump is not a racist (what a tired, over-used word that has become) but just a man who wants to secure our southern border. It is possible that those who disagree with you actually have good reasons to disagree with you and are not a band of racist xenophobes. That kind of wild, unthinking accusation is part of what is wrong with American politics. Too much hate or anger driven rhetoric.

As to what Trump can talk about, he can certainly talk about the economy. He can talk about placing judges who believe in the rule of law. He can talk about dwindling food stamp numbers. He can talk about millions of Americans who now have jobs thanks to a revived economy that is so strong that there are now over seven million unfilled job positions in the United States. And yes, he can talk about the fact that we are finally making progress in securing our southern border. And no, I don't agree with the insane idea that saying that makes me a racist.

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We both know Jesus would be at the southern border rendering aid and comfort to the weary traveler.

So are you there rendering aid and comfort?

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Originally Posted by talaniman

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The point of humane process, and blaming the victims fleeing death completely goes over your head, as well as the LAW says asylum seekers are legal.

We both know Jesus would be at the southern border rendering aid and comfort to the weary traveler.

Yes and we know that his message wouldn't be Make America Great Again. The question isn't whether you accept asylum seekers, the question is how many economic migrants can you accommodate. You already have millions of economic migrants

They all contribute to the whole. So what's your point since ALL Americans are immigrants, and economically dependent, unless you are rich already. Quiet as it's been kept, the vast majority of those asylum seekers will be deported anyway after their cases are heard, and yes they do show up to court in hopes of their claims being granted. That's the way it's been done for a long time now until the dufus showed up to gum up the works by hyping the rapists, and drug dealers and gang members (LYING, as he always does).

You just cannot make reasonable policy decisions on lies and BS.

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You just cannot make reasonable policy decisions on lies and BS.

I'm sure you made that same point during Obama's eight years.

Yes I did and you can go back and check if you like. I encourage you to do so.

I never would have guessed it. You have been Obama's chief supporter and defender on this board.

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from JL: Why is it that when we want to have border security, you suddenly become concerned with the commands of Jesus, but when we talk about abortion you are strangely silent concerning His commands? You sure are selective in your outrage.

Why is it that when we want to have a discussion about abortion, you suddenly become concerned with the commands of Jesus, but when we talk about our southern border, you suddenly disregard His commands? You sure are selective in your outrage.

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a revived economy that is so strong that there are now over seven million unfilled job positions in the United States.

So let's get those million asylum seekers to become US job seekers!!!!

Would a wall prevent people trekking toward the US-Mexico border?
Trekking to the Border is where they suffer the greatest maltreatment.

Build the Wall, if it would keep people from putting themselves in Danger.

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Originally Posted by waltero

Would a wall prevent people trekking toward the US-Mexico border?
Trekking to the Border is where they suffer the greatest maltreatment.

Thus, we have to warn them by distributing flyers while they are still in their home countries and warn them that at our border they will be beaten, spit on, drugged, imprisoned, and permanently separated from the children and loved ones who came north with them.

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Build the Wall, if it would keep people from putting themselves in Danger.

By the time they've reached the wall, it's too late.

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Why is it that when we want to have a discussion about abortion, you suddenly become concerned with the commands of Jesus, but when we talk about our southern border, you suddenly disregard His commands? You sure are selective in your outrage.

Jesus had a lot to say about life and nothing to say about immigration. I'm not sure how you can equate the deliberate and violent destruction of innocent unborn children with trying to have border security. And thus you have again identified yourself as a liberal.

You make liberal sound like a bad word as compared to conservative and most of us are a mix of both depending on the issue.

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By the time they've reached the wall, it's too late.

What wall?

People Don't head to the border to greet a wall.

I say arm them ;train them ,and send them back . Let them fight for their own country if they are truely fleeing oppression.If they are coming here for the economic opportunity then they are not eligible for asylum status and there is an orderly procees that legal immigrants follow.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Jesus had a lot to say about life and nothing to say about immigration. I'm not sure how you can equate the deliberate and violent destruction of innocent unborn children with trying to have border security. And thus you have again identified yourself as a liberal.

Did you notice how I merely reversed the subjects when I copied and pasted what you had commented to me? Yes, Jesus had a lot to say about life -- and about the lives of refugees and immigrants. (Psssst, I am a humanist and a Christian.)

What did He say about the lives of refugees and immigrants, and in particular about illegal immigrants?

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I am a humanist and a Christian.

To be truly a humanist (which is to say a believer in humanism), in the true sense of the term, is to say that one is not a Christian. Perhaps you mean it in a different sense than the historical one which is, "an outlook or system of thought attaching prime importance to human rather than divine or supernatural matters."

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

What did He say about the lives of refugees and immigrants, and in particular about illegal immigrants?

That would fun for you to research!

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To be truly a humanist (which is to say a believer in humanism), in the true sense of the term, is to say that one is not a Christian. Perhaps you mean it in a different sense than the historical one which is, "an outlook or system of thought attaching prime importance to human rather than divine or supernatural matters."

I didn't capitalize it. From dictionary dot com: a person having a strong interest in or concern for human welfare, values, and dignity.

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That would fun for you to research!

In other words, you don't know of any. And no, I won't do your research for you.

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I didn't capitalize it. From dictionary dot com: a person having a strong interest in or concern for human welfare, values, and dignity.

Fair enough.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

In other words, you don't know of any. And no, I won't do your research for you.

In other words, you won't. And yes, I have. That must be my library career kicking in.

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In other words, you won't.

There is no "in other words" to it. I flatly stated I won't do your research for you. And you're awfully quiet for a person who has done her research. I'm pretty sure that He had nothing to say about illegal immigrants crossing the border.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Awfully quiet for a person who has done her research. I'm pretty sure that He had nothing to say about illegal immigrants crossing the border.

The point is; he had something to say about travellers, there being robbers on the road who would attack travellers and righteous persons who would not offer help, and of course, one who did. I don't think much has changed. But remember Gideon, beset by the Midianites, migrants who trampled his land, he had to do something about it

The story of the GS is a wonderful instruction aimed at individuals and their personal conduct. Now does it tell us to allow anyone and everyone to cross the border? No, I don't think so.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

I say arm them ;train them ,and send them back . Let them fight for their own country if they are truely fleeing oppression.If they are coming here for the economic opportunity then they are not eligible for asylum status and there is an orderly procees that legal immigrants follow.

There is a process for that and only through that lawful process can you determine whether their reasons are economic or not. That's just the law. Good luck arming and training kids and women to fight a war against the gangs. Rather a loony idea isn't it? We don't do that here.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

The story of the GS is a wonderful instruction aimed at individuals and their personal conduct. Now does it tell us to allow anyone and everyone to cross the border? No, I don't think so.

I cannot believe you are justifying a wall with an ancient account of a long ago war. Asylum seekers are stealing nothing from us.

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I cannot believe you are justifying a wall with an ancient account of a long ago war.

Yah, Walls are funny that way.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

I cannot believe you are justifying a wall with an ancient account of a long ago war. Asylum seekers are stealing nothing from us.

It depends on how you define stealing. The problem is; unless the asylum seekers are actually from a war zone, they are economic migrants. So people have to learn to fight back against oppression

Very few are legitimate asylum seekers. The vast majority just walk across the border illegally.

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Originally Posted by paraclete

It depends on how you define stealing. The problem is; unless the asylum seekers are actually from a war zone, they are economic migrants. So people have to learn to fight back against oppression

You mean a declared war zone? The history of man is littered with local civil unrest and people running for their lives. Outgunned and beset upon by much greater forces whose regimes are ruthless and while some opposition is mounted it's doomed to fail. You don't have to go back in history, just turn on the news where across the world the same thing is happening, spurring high levels of people fleeing tyranny. Mostly dirt poor and no resources. South America is a mess Clete, so is Africa and the Middle East, and getting worse, should we send guns, or an army? We tried sending money, but they need a lot more so how do we start the resistance to that oppression? Heck we still have oppression in the greatest nation on Earth and it's been ongoing for a while.

We do have a LAWFUL humane process on paper for migrants, if the dufus would abide by it, but obviously he has other ideas, and has a problem with the LAWFUL part so here we are. No Clete whether you have a declared war or just a monster civil conflict matters not. People run from them. Often it's people fighting themselves, not some conquering invaders.

I'll get back to you on that definition of stealing.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Very few are legitimate asylum seekers. The vast majority just walk across the border illegally.

By law a misdemeanor, and a lawful humane process takes care of that. The emergency is the lawless dufus hollering and screaming about gangs and criminals and refusing to apply the law to meet the challenge.

Again, the great majority are not asylum seekers. They just cross the border illegally.

JL my friend, life is easier if you just deal with it on it's own terms and not let it get to you. It's just the reality of life. All those migrants are but a symptom of a larger problem that hasn't been addressed. My solution is a joint effort between Mexico and the US to address those core issues and that is stabilize those parts of South America that produces those desperate humans fleeing regional conflicts. The same dynamic we have always seen in history that leads to wars and death, and prevalent to this day around the world.