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All allegations until proven in a court Tom
While the right wing continues it's decades old onslaught, REAL investigators are getting closer to shutting The Dufus's big mouth.
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While the right wing continues it's decades old onslaught, REAL investigators are getting closer to shutting The Dufus's big mouth.
Hardly a non-partisan comment, but I have to admit that it wouldn't be a bad idea for him to shut his mouth about 80% of the time.
As we lose a TRUE American hero, we are left with a lying, cheating, loudmouth bully, who built his support on derision and racism who feeds the desperate and afraid Americans with enough red meat often enough to keep them engorged in the hate to stay behind him, no matter his long standing dubious past, and the people he has surrounded himself with, and the continuing scandals that Mueller brings to light. He will never shut up until someone shuts him up.
RIP John McCain, a REAL American
A little over the top (to say the least). Anyone who supported Obama or Clinton has very little room to be critical of Trump. I lump them all in the same basket. At least Trump is getting some results.Quote:
a lying, cheating, loudmouth bully, who built his support on derision and racism
I did not always agree with Senator McCain, but I had great respect for his service in Vietnam.
As usual we disagree, no surprise there, but should I lump YOU in the same racist basket that I have placed your leader the great Dufus? Just asking. I can see holding your nose but that will never shield you from the stench of his character, nor the bad taste he leaves ordinary citizens of good conscious. No surprise either that I stand by my comments.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I have even greater respect for his service after Vietnam. I didn't always agree with him either, but he always represented the best of America, through our worst times, as recently as this last dark year.Quote:
I did not always agree with Senator McCain, but I had great respect for his service in Vietnam.
That would be as foolish as me trying to lump you in the basket of being a liar because of your support of Hillary Clinton. But perhaps we are just different in that way. I'm not going to resort to the ultra low level of name calling just because we don't agree, especially when there is no evidence at all to back up my name calling. So no, I don't consider you to be a liar. Now you'll have to decide where you stand on that practice.Quote:
As usual we disagree, no surprise there, but should I lump YOU in the same racist basket that I have placed your leader the great Dufus?
I see a lot of tributes for McCain from the same people who unmercifully trashed him in 2008 calling him unhinged and questioning his mental facilities . Back then they did criticize his military record ,tying his shoot down with an incident on the deck of the USS Forestall that he was involved in .Mostly their praise for him today stems from their reaction of how Trump trashed him . They forget their words were not much better .
Pretty accurate. Again, politics, politics, politics.Quote:
I see a lot of tributes for McCain from the same people who unmercifully trashed him in 2008 calling him unhinged and questioning his mental facilities . Back then they did criticize his military record ,tying his shoot down with an incident on the deck of the USS Forestall that he was involved in .Mostly their praise for him today stems from their reaction of how Trump trashed him . They forget their words were not much better .
Always check snopes. And Trump & Co. were after him until he took his dying breath.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/jo...uss-forrestal/
Trump's comments about McCain were terrible. Again, learning to shut the pie hole is a skill he needs to acquire.Quote:
Always check snopes. And Trump & Co. were after him until he took his dying breath.
Just asking to see if you are still holding your nose at the Dufus's antics and behavior as you did when you voted for him. I don't count it as name calling if it's accurate, and a lying, cheating, loudmouth, bully, racist, dufus is as accurate as one can get. Just sayin'.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Ah Tal I wonder why you keep talking about Obama
Nah. That's not what you were doing. "Should I lump YOU in the same racist basket that I have placed your leader the great Dufus?" You were suggesting I might be a racist. Just go ahead and own it. Pitiful.Quote:
Just asking to see if you are still holding your nose at the Dufus's antics and behavior as you did when you voted for him. I don't count it as name calling if it's accurate, and a lying, cheating, loudmouth, bully, racist, dufus is as accurate as one can get. Just sayin'.
I just don't understand this holier than thou attitude you have. I'm actually OK with much of your criticism of Trump, but anyone who supported Clinton has no room to criticize anyone. She's as big a "distorter of the truth" as I know of.
I suggested nothing! I asked my question directly. I own my own decisions and words. I take you at your word.Quote:
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Should I lump YOU in the same racist basket that I have placed your leader the great Dufus?
My point exactly.Quote:
I own my own...words
Moving on along.
Nice sidestep, but in your own words PITIFUL. You agree with my criticism of The Dufus MOSTLY, but not about his racists statements, or insults? You resort to hiding behind Hillary's flaws, but she isn't the leader of the free world now is she? No you staunch righties love to sidestep the issue by bringing in the flaws of others not even a part of the conversation or question. You have no problem blasting females with many baby daddys, or able bodied low wage workers getting public assistance, while you balk at raising the minimum wage but approve of rich guy tax cuts, but the simple question of approving of the racist statements of the guy you voted for goes unanswered.
Actually I expected you to simply say that there is but one race, the human race, but don't let me put words in your mouth, and take my apology for presenting such a pitiful question that elicited your pitiful response. You cannot even be a racist, though you held your nose and voted for one, unless you can affect the life of the one you hate because of his differences adversely. I might even be wrong about the Dufus on closer reflection, because he seems to hate EVERYBODY, and puts himself above all. Maybe the case is he talks his racial crap to make the TRUE racist think he is one of them to bring them to the polls and get their vote.
Hmmmm! Pandering to a crowd is certainly a part of his MO, but before he pandered for votes he did some blatantly racist things in his business and personal life. Still holding your NOSE? I don't blame you. His stench is overpowering in ALL areas.
Wow. Did someone got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning? Well, as I said, you own your own words. You voted for a liar. Does that make you a liar? I don't think so. And I am not a staunch righty, nor have I blasted anyone. At any rate, moving on.
I have stated many times that given the sad choices we had in 2016, I voted for Trump and would do so again. I will never vote for a person who stood by and did nothing while 4 brave Americans died in Benghazi and then repeatedly lied about it. You voted for her. That was your choice and that's your privilege, but you might as well get off your high horse and come down here in the real world with the rest of us. You did not vote for a saint.
Unemployment for black Americans is now the lowest in history. Pretty good work for a supposed racist. The truth is, Trump has economically done more in 18 months for all Americans than Obama did in 8 years.
I don't think there are just a lot of people out there convinced that Trump is a racist. An adulterer? True. Arrogant? Seems to be the case. Colluded with Russia? No evidence for that. Cannot control his mouth? Guilty as charged. Would have stood by and done nothing during the Benghazi incident? Not a chance.
I have four priorities for a president. 1. Appoint federal judges who believe in the rule of law/the Constitution. 2. Revive the economy. 3. Balance the federal budget. 4. Stand up for and defend the rights of the unborn. Trump is doing well on the first two, lousy on the third, and shows promise for the fourth. Obama was one half for 4 and Clinton would have been 0 for 4.
There is a lot to be critical of Trump. Being a racist is not a legitimate charge .EVERYONE acknowledged that before he ran. Jesse Jackson's Rainbow Push gave Trump a lifetime achievement award for his work in bringing African Americans into the corporate world . Jackson called Trump a“friend” who embraced “the under-served communities.” Trump only sees one color .....green .
Tomder, I've thought the same thing. I don't really know of any racist comments by Trump other than the stupid remark he made about Mexico only sending us rapists and thieves (or whatever it was).
That being said ;Trumps antics with the flag today are morally unjustified ,petty ,insipid ,and well beneath the office of the Presidency . It is also dumb politics . He may be able to hold his base with childish antics ;and maybe that is enough for him. He has a rare moment to unite the country and his vindictiveness is getting in the way. So any unity that comes from this will be the majority uniting against him .
I think you are right with that, but don't try running that by most of the hardcore Trump supporters. They are absolutely convinced that the fake news services are Trump's biggest problem. If Trump would closely study Reagan, he would learn how to be pleasant and still be strong.Quote:
He has a rare moment to unite the country and his vindictiveness is getting in the way.
They ginned up his comments(alleged by Sen Durbin) about some countries being sh*tholes . Then you have this woman who he had brought with him from his television shows into the White House claiming he used the N word repeatedly. But this was her in 2016 .Quote:
I don't really know of any racist comments by Trump other than the stupid remark he made about Mexico only sending us rapists and thieves (or whatever it was).
https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2016/0...litzer-tsr.cnn
Google is your friend. "Trumps discrimination suits"Quote:
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https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/..._n_855553.html
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/...-curiel-223684
My personal favorite Dufus racist story, blasting black athletes who take a knee during the national anthem protesting police killings of blacks, by casting them as unpatriotic.
Common, you can't plead ignorant to his patterns of racism, nor his soft touch to the racists that make up his voting base.
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Like I said, he is a self serving Dufus. He just announced the end of NAFTA with a trade agreement with Mexico which the outgoing president said was an understanding to improve NAFTA.
Well he did promise to shake things up. At that he is good at, lies and all.
I think a reasonable person might interpret that as being much more about patriotism rather than race. In fact the President didn't mention race. You are the one who brought that up. I never cease to be amazed at how those who lean liberal are so obsessed with race that they cannot see that the rest of us don't think that much about it.Quote:
My personal favorite Dufus racist story, blasting black athletes who take a knee during the national anthem protesting police killings of blacks, by casting them as unpatriotic.
My personal objection to the knee takers is that they are pushing a false narrative of widespread racial prejudice amongst police. The data does not support that at all. And I don't much care what the players do. It's been years since I have wasted much time watching the NFL.
that comment of course is a steaming pile of cow dung. Trump got almost 63 million votes . What percentage of that vote would you consider his 'racist base' ? It is attitudes like that by the Dems that will blow up in their faces in 2020 . You have learned absolutely nothing from the election. amazing !Quote:
his soft touch to the racists that make up his voting base.
Yep. When you run out of facts, then resort to baseless name calling. And then you have the 8% of blacks and 29% of Hispanics who voted for Trump, and are undoubtedly a bunch of racists as well. Racists, racists, racists! The woods are full of them!Quote:
the racists that make up his voting base.
He has a good chance of re election considering so many can ignore his glaring flaws and vote for him. Desperate? Hated Hillary that much? Just wanted a warm body to sign the papers for the repub agenda? If Mueller doesn't get him first. How many are racist you ask? My estimate is 10-20% easy. I would say we didn't learn anything from the last election. We learned that the repub party is desperate for it's agenda to be moved that the would accept anything and anybody to further that end.Quote:
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Obviously more than you would admit to, since you don't think its any and why listen to people hollering foul, when you don't see a problem yourself. Either do your homework or walk a mile in a black guys shoes. Maybe a few blocks would open up your mind. For a guy with such great sympathy for those families of the slain Americans in Benghazi, you dismiss the families of those slain by police here rather easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
No doubt true. Still, it's interesting to me that when I talk with conservatives, the conversation scarcely ever goes to race. I know a lot of people who supported Trump, and I can't think of a one that I would call a racist. The vast majority of them would happily agree with Dr. King's call to value people not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.Quote:
Either do your homework or walk a mile in my shoes. Maybe a few blocks would open up your mind.
By no means JL do I mean to infer that all conservatives or white people in general are racists far from it but they are a part of Trumps base, and obvious it's more than a few repubs who can put the content of his character aside for a chance at running their agenda. If that's what it takes then that's what it takes I suppose.
So you are saying being objectionable is acceptable to advance your political agenda, must be the reason we see so many dills in politics
Sadly, that seems to be the course of politics. Dems did the same thing with Hillary. It's always about issues. Carter was elected at least in part because it was thought he had good character, and that turned into disaster. Not too sure what I propose we do about it.Quote:
it's more than a few repubs who can put the content of his character aside for a chance at running their agenda.
The solution is obvious, only elect cads but then you already do that
The solution is obvious, only elect cads but then you already do that.
- an ill-bred man, especially one who behaves in a dishonorable or irresponsible way toward women.
Bill Clinton???
The Dufus is but part of the problem. The congress has as much responsibility for this divisive malaise as the Dufus does. The ultimate responsibility lies with the people who elect these idiots. We reap what we sow. Nobody can be happy with what we have sown lately. It's a crap sandwich. Possible course correct opportunity coming in a few short months.
A decidedly clear minority. Could that be the problem?Quote:
Trump got almost 63 million votes .
Clinton has nothing on The Dufus. We will see what Mueller has.Quote:
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And my point is, you could put Clinton or Trump either one in the category of "cad". All the holier than thou crowd that is so down on Trump all voted for Clinton with a smile on their face and joy in their hearts. That's what I find to be annoying, how anyone who supported Bill or Hillary could find the audacity to point the finger at Trump and act like they would have never voted for anyone with moral and character issues. If they want to criticize his stands on issues, then that is fine, but they might as well stop acting like a bunch of saints occupying the moral high ground. The stench around the democrats is, if anything, at least as great as the stench around the republicans. Now maybe we could all begin to insist, dems and repubs alike, that politicians live an honorable life, but good luck with that one.Quote:
Donald Trump
If you think that putting Nancy Pelosi and Elizabeth Warren in charge of things is the answer, then you need a couple of strong cups of coffee.Quote:
Possible course correct opportunity coming in a few short months.
You would rather have feckless men, than strong accomplished females do the peoples work? That might work for you but hasn't gotten the job done. Or maybe you missed the disgusting display of YOUR guy announcing a deal he doesn't have yet with Mexico. Much like the deal he had with Kim, or the still disgusting display he put on with Vlad. His policies, and methods are DISGUSTING. Coffee doesn't cure that.
Make that THREE cups of coffee. I am all for genuinely accomplished females, but Pelosi, Warren, and Clinton combined have accomplished nothing worth talking about. It reminds me of the time Bill O'Reilly asked two dems what HC's greatest accomplishment was, and they literally could not come up with a single thing.Quote:
strong accomplished females
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